Moats/Worilds ...

[SteelBuckeye]

Seems the Moats love was a lil premature. And the $9 MIL man? pssssssshhhaw

Dale Lolley ‏@dlolleyor 1m7 seconds ago
#Steelers got just two tackles and two pressures from their outside linebackers Sunday. Need more out of Worilds, Moats and Harrison.

 

[Litos]

worilds is a waste of money

 

[TDX27]

If we sign Worilds next year (and I'm not for it unless he is all that is out there), I pay him no more than 4 to 5 mil per year and maybe less. The 9+ million he got this year is his pay day. If he keeps playing as crappy as he is, I may even say cut him altogether or offer him 2 to 3 million to be a back up. He has shown nothing.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

After J. Jones went down, Moats was the "anointed" one. My belief is that you'll get the same level of production or better from Moats over Worilds rather than J. Jones. Go with Moats and J. Jones and they better be working to get Howard Jones bigger and up to speed so he can help provide depth. I let Worilds walk if the asking price is too high.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Worilds always has been over rated by our front office, outside of an 8 game stretch invisibility has been his calling card. Forget the money we would waste resigning him again, is he even worth a roster spot? Classic case of the Tombert regime over valuing a draft pick to prove he was the right guy.

 

[Idioteque]

But Worilds was (eventually) a starter. He therefore HAD to be retained at or above market value. There were no other options.

 

[JJ_Steel]

After J. Jones went down, Moats was the "anointed" one. My belief is that you'll get the same level of production or better from Moats over Worilds rather than J. Jones. Go with Moats and J. Jones and they better be working to get Howard Jones bigger and up to speed so he can help provide depth. I let Worilds walk if the asking price is too high.

Worilds has produced numbers that Jones will never reach, 8 sacks in a season , etc. Jones is the bust who was a wasted top 15 pick when no pother team wanted him.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Worilds has produced numbers that Jones will never reach, 8 sacks in a season , etc. Jones is the bust who was a wasted top 15 pick when no pother team wanted him.

I would love to debate this with you. However, Jones' career is not over. So, all I can say is that our opinions differ. I will say that Worilds' numbers have come in one season after YEARS to prove himself. Are you willing to give Jones the same amount of years to develop before saying he'll NEVER reach 8 whole sacks in a season?

 

[Spike]

If we can't dominate the Jags, it's all over






Amen

 

[JJ_Steel]

I would love to debate this with you. However, Jones' career is not over. So, all I can say is that our opinions differ. I will say that Worilds' numbers have come in one season after YEARS to prove himself. Are you willing to give Jones the same amount of years to develop before saying he'll NEVER reach 8 whole sacks in a season?

Worilds is a great athlete and has had years where he had 5 sacks. Jones is a mediocre to poor athlete that will not get faster, quicker or better, he is what he is.

 

[Xc944]

I would love to debate this with you. However, Jones' career is not over. So, all I can say is that our opinions differ. I will say that Worilds' numbers have come in one season after YEARS to prove himself. Are you willing to give Jones the same amount of years to develop before saying he'll NEVER reach 8 whole sacks in a season?

Worilds is 26 jones is 25 so jones gets this year to match what worilds did at 25. Personally I think they both suck and last year I said I wouldn't pay worilds more than 3.5 mill a year. And the mJority of this board gave me a hard time for that. Curious what everyone thinks now

 

[Vader]

Worilds is 26 jones is 25 so jones gets this year to match what worilds did at 25. Personally I think they both suck and last year I said I wouldn't pay worilds more than 3.5 mill a year. And the mJority of this board gave me a hard time for that. Curious what everyone thinks now

Yea, I said the same thing and got the typical "Worilds is great playing part time, imagine how great he is full time".

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Worilds is 26 jones is 25 so jones gets this year to match what worilds did at 25. Personally I think they both suck and last year I said I wouldn't pay worilds more than 3.5 mill a year. And the mJority of this board gave me a hard time for that. Curious what everyone thinks now

Hmmm ... or you could say allow them the same amount of time to show something. Worilds didn't show anything till his fourth year in the league so we could use that year as a measuring stick. However, if Jones isn't better than Worilds by his third year, I'd agree that he's a bust. Hell, he may be better than Worilds now, as he has 4 more tackles, 1 more sack and 1 more forced fumble in 1 less game.

 

[steelbush]

What has Worilds shown so far this year that anyone reasonable would want him back next year? I mean really why would we want him back? I hear this 4 million year range possibly next year, are you kidding? This defense consistently sucks for the last 3 years and we keep bringing the same players back. I dont get it.

 

[Omar10213245]

What has Worilds shown so far this year that anyone reasonable would want him back next year? I mean really why would we want him back? I hear this 4 million year range possibly next year, are you kidding? This defense consistently sucks for the last 3 years and we keep bringing the same players back. I dont get it.

Exactly. I guarantee Worilds is nowhere NEAR worth, what he thinks he's worth. Just a guy to me

 

[Superman]

Worilds only became effective when he was moved to his current position.
I'd offer him a decent, respectable middle of the road contract based on his current play. Certainly not the payday he envisions and wants.
If he balks at it, like I suspect he would, I'd strongly consider flipping Jarvis to the other side, as maybe Jarvis would be better at that side just as Worilds proved to be.

(NOTE: I'm absolutely not under any circumstance stating in any way, shape, fashion or form that Worilds is a keeper nor that Jarvis would perform at a Pro Bowl level if his position switched)

 

[freak]

when worilds was on the right side he did nothing , two average players at the moment

 

[Xc944]

Hmmm ... or you could say allow them the same amount of time to show something. Worilds didn't show anything till his fourth year in the league so we could use that year as a measuring stick. However, if Jones isn't better than Worilds by his third year, I'd agree that he's a bust. Hell, he may be better than Worilds now, as he has 4 more tackles, 1 more sack and 1 more forced fumble in 1 less game.

So you want to wait until jones is 27 to match the same ok at best season that worilds had at 25? Maybe by time he's 32 he might finally figure out dicks defense

 

[SteelBuckeye]

So you want to wait until jones is 27 to match the same ok at best season that worilds had at 25? Maybe by time he's 32 he might finally figure out dicks defense

Re-read my post. You might see where I said: "However, if Jones isn't better than Worilds by his third year, I'd agree he's a bust." If he's 25 in his second year, he'd be 26 in his third year. I get that you don't like Jones and don't think he'll amount to much, but to expect him to be an All-Pro last year as a rookie, or even 3 games into his second year ... man, I'd like to know the names of more than one OLB who has accomplished that in this defense (i.e. the Steelers version).

 

[insaniti]

Not sure why the hate for Moats, for some reason they decided to put an out of shape, 36 year old, just signed that week James Harrison in for most of the sacks. And this was after Moats blew the LT off the line and forced a holding penalty. With JJ going down for 8 weeks, we signed Harrison for DEPTH, not to start... or so it should have been.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Not so much hate for Moats as disappointment. I expect(ed) better numbers from him. In fact, I stated in another thread that if he performs, he could/should get Worilds' spot and they should let Worilds go.

 

[Wingman]

Not sure why the hate for Moats, for some reason they decided to put an out of shape, 36 year old, just signed that week James Harrison in for most of the sacks. And this was after Moats blew the LT off the line and forced a holding penalty. With JJ going down for 8 weeks, we signed Harrison for DEPTH, not to start... or so it should have been.

Sad thing is the thirty six year old is likely the best OLB on the team when he walked in and signed the contract. He has likely lost some of what he was, the other two can't lose what they haven't got.

 

[insaniti]

Not so much hate for Moats as disappointment. I expect(ed) better numbers from him. In fact, I stated in another thread that if he performs, he could/should get Worilds' spot and they should let Worilds go.

Unfortunately he wasn't able to showcase much of anything.

Sad thing is the thirty six year old is likely the best OLB on the team when he walked in and signed the contract. He has likely lost some of what he was, the other two can't lose what they haven't got.

I know that's what you all would like to think, but Harrison isn't even close to the best OLB we have on the team.

 

[Super Dave]

I know that's what you all would like to think, but Harrison isn't even close to the best OLB we have on the team.

I agree with this statement based on common sense alone......but it has me thinking......how does one rank the Steelers OLB's and where would Woodley rank among that bunch if he were still here?

Worilds
Jones
Moats
Harrison
Zumwalt

I would think that Woodley would be at the Top of that list.

Interesting that on the Steelers Roster at nfl.com Spence and Harrison are designated as just LB's while everybody else is either and OLB or ILB.

I recall Spence lining up on the outside against TB and creating pressure on a pass rush. Very quick.

It seems in the past that we always had someone on the roster who showed a lot of promise at OLB but was playing behind an established Vet. I am thinking of Porter and Harrison.

That roster spot was manned by Chris Carter for the past 4 years and there really is nothing or nobody exhibiting that promise.

I still believe that the Spence injury was so devastating to this defense in the terms of roster and player development but the reason it was so devastating is because of very poor roster management prior to his selection. We are behind where we need to be. We ignored positions of need, waited to long to address them and when we did threw high round picks at them some of which have not panned out.

The time to address positions of need is 1- 2 drafts before it is a need. The pipeline needs to be addressed.

 

[jitter77]

Unfortunately he wasn't able to showcase much of anything.



I know that's what you all would like to think, but Harrison isn't even close to the best OLB we have on the team.

Who is the best olb then. Harrison almost instantly got a holding call. Once he gets in shape it is not a stretch to say he is the best olb we have. Unfortunately that means we are in bad bad shape.