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MR vs KP

Can we bring back ole’ Dri Archer as the greatest Steeler of all time.

New thread Archer vs <insert Steeler player here>
 
I would like Mason back and pay him like a legit backup up as we saw with a partial OC staff he went 3-0, he was a great game manager, a lot of the Buffalo game they let buff DB get away with a ton.
Say 2 years 14 million 6 million bonus that can grow to 10 if he wins the job. Make it clear and have everything in position just b/c Kenny was drafted in round 1 he is not going to be handed the winner has to earn it.
MR rumours say he wants a fresh start, not much out there ATL is likely in Field's bidding, Pats are likely to draft if Chi trades Fields then that is a team that may look at him as a stop-gap, Other than Chi Pats Vegas ATL I dont see someone willing to bank on 3 games last year. When they can pick a qb from this pile
Williams
Maye
Daniels
Nix
McCarthy
 
F83 said:
I would like Mason back and pay him like a legit backup up as we saw with a partial OC staff he went 3-0, he was a great game manager, a lot of the Buffalo game they let buff DB get away with a ton.
Say 2 years 14 million 6 million bonus that can grow to 10 if he wins the job. Make it clear and have everything in position just b/c Kenny was drafted in round 1 he is not going to be handed the winner has to earn it.
MR rumours say he wants a fresh start, not much out there ATL is likely in Field's bidding, Pats are likely to draft if Chi trades Fields then that is a team that may look at him as a stop-gap, Other than Chi Pats Vegas ATL I dont see someone willing to bank on 3 games last year. When they can pick a qb from this pile
Williams
Maye
Daniels
Nix
McCarthy
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I hear those rumors but not one quote attributed to Mason. More people making **** up with no actual knowledge of anything most likely.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
I hear those rumors but not one quote attributed to Mason. More people making **** up with no actual knowledge of anything most likely.
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Yeah pre free agency is rough for just flat out made up bullshit. To try to decipher and find gems of information is difficult.

I still would like them to add to the coaching staff. I am more concerned with that in comparison to them fielding a competitive roster.

I do hope that Omar (again) attacks both aspects of adding to the roster with solid draft selections and just as important solid free agent additions. Seemed to be a mixed bag last offseason looking back at the results...
 
steelreeling said:
Kenny has a much stronger arm than Mason. Mason is a noodle-arm. He floats passes too much. See the INT in the endzone that ended the playoff game.

Mason is much more of a precision passer. Mason anticipates, especially across the middle, much better than Kenny.
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This gave me a good belly laugh...
 
Mason and Kenny had 2 common opponents the Bengals and Ravens. The Bengals game both QBs played well and Kennys stats would have been much better if we didn't have costly penalties, bad snaps, and a bad decision not to challenge a TD by Tomlin. The Ravens games were tight, but Kenny played against the starters while Mason played against the B team. Kenny seemed to go against the coaching to win the game with the bomb to Pickens. Kenny was playing decent in the AZ game until the injury. Mason had 3 games without Canada and Pickett had less than 1.5. Mason also came in with a clean slate and not several games of getting whacked around constantly. As for who is better it is hard to say. If Mason comes back i think it will be an open comp.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Free agency doesn’t start until March and I would think the time between now and the. would be perfect to decide if you think either should be the starter if that’s actually a decision. If it’s Mason, then you’ll give him a pretty good contract to return.
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Again, he is NOT under contract, therefore NOT currently a part of the team. Considering whether or not for him to be the starter is a waste of time, until they offer a new contract, AND he choose to believe Tomlin’s lying *** and signs it.
 
MT~Forged said:
Again, he is NOT under contract, therefore NOT currently a part of the team. Considering whether or not for him to be the starter is a waste of time, until they offer a new contract, AND he choose to believe Tomlin’s lying *** and signs it.
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Meh this is a slow period of time in the off-season. Fans talk about every scenario. If you even glance at social media they link every QB to the Steelers imaginable. So not shockingly Rudy is linked too. As it isn't like he hasn't resigned once already.

Most discussions around this break of play is conjecture and can considered a waste of time. We are on a discussion forum, they will discuss. We will discuss. Maybe we shouldn't get testy about whatever is on the plate, people come here to eat. Not everything can be BLT's with DIC's home made crispy bacon.
 
Better arm strength-Mason
Better accuracy-Mason
Ability to throw receiver open-Mason
Ability to allow Wr to make circus catch-KP
Field vision-Mason
Pocket presence-Mason
Ability to run from clean pocket-KP
Ability to run himself into pressure-KP
Scramble for a 1st down ability-KP
Ability to take a hit-Mason
Clutch gene/if ya need 1 drive-KP
On roster-KP

While Mason is better in most things ya want from a QB he is marginally better at many of those things, but does appear to be improving whereas KP seems to be stagnant

It’s kinda like comparing Limes and Lemons and we need a pineapple and to go with some bacon

Too bad all we have rostered is Lemmony Picketts and we need the Pineapple Express
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Better arm strength-Mason
Better accuracy-Mason
Ability to throw receiver open-Mason
Ability to allow Wr to make circus catch-KP
Field vision-Mason
Pocket presence-Mason
Ability to run from clean pocket-KP
Ability to run himself into pressure-KP
Scramble for a 1st down ability-KP
Ability to take a hit-Mason
Clutch gene/if ya need 1 drive-KP
On roster-KP

While Mason is better in most things ya want from a QB he is marginally better at many of those things, but does appear to be improving whereas KP seems to be stagnant

It’s kinda like comparing Limes and Lemons and we need a pineapple and to go with some bacon

Too bad all we have rostered is Lemmony Picketts and we need the Pineapple Express
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That short run last season skewed Mason's accuracy which in a larger seasonal sample wasn't as good. I wouldn't say he is a more accurate passer.

Also until that impressive showing Rudolph weaknesses were problems throwing into tight windows (unchanged) and pocket awareness (possibly improved).

Not going to defend or pump up either or just wanted to throw in some things I didn't necessarily agree with.

For the record I am for open competition and QB play upgrade however that occurs. If that means starting another QB unrelated to the two I am for it it that means starting one of the two with re-signing Rudy I am all for it. Whatever it takes.

I think it is popular right now to scowl at one and rainbow and unicorns the other. But neither is playing at the level desired.

I just hope they figure out the best path for the team moving forward .
 
slashsteel said:
That short run last season skewed Mason's accuracy which in a larger seasonal sample wasn't as good. I wouldn't say he is a more accurate passer.

Also until that impressive showing Rudolph weaknesses were problems throwing into tight windows (unchanged) and pocket awareness (possibly improved).

Not going to defend or pump up either or just wanted to throw in some things I didn't necessarily agree with.

For the record I am for open competition and QB play upgrade however that occurs. If that means starting another QB unrelated to the two I am for it it that means starting one of the two with re-signing Rudy I am all for it. Whatever it takes.

I think it is popular right now to scowl at one and rainbow and unicorns the other. But neither is playing at the level desired.

I just hope they figure out the best path for the team moving forward .
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Think you may have misconstrued what I’m saying a bit, maybe not, but I’ll try to clarify so nobody considers this an endorsement of Mason’s abilities

Calling Mason a lime wasn’t meant as a compliment nor is calling him marginally better than the lemon that is KP.

Mason is a decent QB2, KP may become a serviceable QB2 with some improvements
We have a D+ and a D- looking at them as starters imo and definitely need better…the sweet elusive pineapple

Hope that clarifies a bit, by no means am I one of the fans that is rainbows and unicorns over Mason.

As far as KP I saw sooo many holes in his game in the draft process and unfortunately he hasn’t improved in these areas much of at all…would love if he would cuz I fully understand he’ll be here for at least a couple more years and I’d rather he be an asset than liability. I’d love to be proven wrong by him Cuz I absolutely love a good comeback/redemption story. The problem with needing improvement from him is our coaching staff hasn’t shown to have that ability yet.
 
MT~Forged said:
Again, he is NOT under contract, therefore NOT currently a part of the team. Considering whether or not for him to be the starter is a waste of time, until they offer a new contract, AND he choose to believe Tomlin’s lying *** and signs it.
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You really don’t think the coaches and front office discuss whether pending free agents should be a part of the team moving forward? Okay.
 
Troglodyte said:
I’d be surprised if Mason doesn’t return. He was a FA last year and came back to be the 3rd QB. Why wouldn’t he be interested in returning after finishing the season as the starter?
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1. The team still wants KP as the starter.
2. After his end of season performance it’s likely someone else will offer him more money.
 
For me, this argument comes down to just one thing: I saw an offensive team that rallied behind Mason, pure and simple. I did not see the confidence in Kenny that they had with Mason. So, despite any other arm strength and mobility issues between the two, the ' confidence in the QB is paramount - Mason wins hands down! Case closed (at least for me).
 
The two obvious things Rudolph does so much better than Pickett does this far is 1. pocket presence/awareness 2. goes through his progressions better.
 
alancac98 said:
For me, this argument comes down to just one thing: I saw an offensive team that rallied behind Mason, pure and simple. I did not see the confidence in Kenny that they had with Mason. So, despite any other arm strength and mobility issues between the two, the ' confidence in the QB is paramount - Mason wins hands down! Case closed (at least for me).
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I think you are misreading what happened. Mason didn’t come in for Kenny. In fact we were playing well around Kenny when last he played. Mason came in and rallied the troops from Mitch the *****, so sure he looked like a hero and the guys rallied around him compared to the **** show Mitch was.
 
Coryea said:
The two obvious things Rudolph does so much better than Pickett does this far is 1. pocket presence/awareness 2. goes through his progressions better.
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1. Yes although almost to a fault in being willing to take hits to make a play but it will get him killed, again. 2. Yes at this point but he didn’t always do so. Hopefully with even slightly better coaching and a better blocking scheme Kenny can improve. Hell he was better his rookie year before he kept getting pummeled by Canadas predictability and over cautiousness.
 
MT~Forged said:
I don’t care what anyone says Kenny Pickett is the best QB on the team.
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He will have his opportunity to prove that this year. It is a very pivotal season for him. We shall see what transpires..
 
I haven't read everything so this may have been said ... but Pickett may very well be exactly what Mason was and is. Like Mason, Pickett isn't ready to start early in his career. Like Mason, Pickett may develop into a decent backup or a second-tier starter. So, we can have current Mason now (i.e., Mason), we can wait a few years and have another Mason (hi Pickett) or the Steelers can admit what things are and look elsewhere for a starter. I am happy to skip the carousel of options 1 and 2 and move straight to 3.

TLDR: They are very likely the same (or close to the same) guy at different points in the same career trajectory. Who cares who is better? We, and the Steelers, should want neither, as a starter, if we are REALLY serious.
 
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