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My opinion on Willis

32 on the Wonderlic. While I don't put a whole lot of stock into that test, it will be great not to have to hear Coach spending the time up to the draft talking about how he doesn't want him because of his Wonderlic score. Accuracy, small school, time it will take to develop, all are concerns to be discussed. Intelligence (as rated by that test) is not. Character, is not. Just football skills. Fantastic.
 
ZonaBurgh said:
Accuracy matters, and not sure that can be taught, so a hard no.
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It can be taught depending on how poor his mechanics are and if he's willing to consistently work on improving them. See Tim Tebow.
 
Shane Falco said:
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Seems a little young to be a first round pick
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Other guy seems a little stiff to be a first round pick.

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SteelBuckeye said:
32 on the Wonderlic. While I don't put a whole lot of stock into that test, it will be great not to have to hear Coach spending the time up to the draft talking about how he doesn't want him because of his Wonderlic score. Accuracy, small school, time it will take to develop, all are concerns to be discussed. Intelligence (as rated by that test) is not. Character, is not. Just football skills. Fantastic.
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I saw that this morning. Pretty good score I would say and it will help his draft spot. Lots of GMs take much stock in those scores.
I’m not so sure Tomlin and Colbert aren’t just throwing up smoke screens about Willis. They are well aware we need quality on both OL and DL and I fully expect the pick in the first to be one or the other. Besides, won’t surprise me to see Willis gone in the top 10 with Kenny P as well.
 
bermudasteel said:
Josh Allen had a problem with accuracy early on...
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That's a really good point. Buffalo believed that Allen lacked good coaching and had some sloppy habits, believed his athleticism meant he was never going to be a bust. If he developed accuracy, they thought, he turns into what he is today. If not, he is still a good NFL QB with a skill set few have.

Ridder not as big, since Allen is a huge guy, but the comparison is interesting.
 
With the Browns not giving Mayfield a new contract they might be players in the 1st round for a QB
 
Steeltime said:
That's a really good point. Buffalo believed that Allen lacked good coaching and had some sloppy habits, believed his athleticism meant he was never going to be a bust. If he developed accuracy, they thought, he turns into what he is today. If not, he is still a good NFL QB with a skill set few have.

Ridder not as big, since Allen is a huge guy, but the comparison is interesting.
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I think he was responding to the post about Willis' accuracy issue. But, all the points you made are applicable to Willis too, I guess.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
I think he was responding to the post about Willis' accuracy issue. But, all the points you made are applicable to Willis too, I guess.
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Senior moment - mistakenly believed comments were about Ridder's accuracy as a lot of the prior discussion was about Ridder. Willis worries me more than Ridder. Smaller, lot less competition against top-flight defenses, much more of a project than Ridder.
 
Steeltime said:
Senior moment - mistakenly believed comments were about Ridder's accuracy as a lot of the prior discussion was about Ridder. Willis worries me more than Ridder. Smaller, lot less competition against top-flight defenses, much more of a project than Ridder.
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Thing with Ridder is that if his Pro Day goes as well as his Combine did, he won't be there when Steelers pick in Rd 2. So, is he worth the investment at 1:20? Are any of them?
I guess we'll see on draft day ... if any of them are available.
 
I am willing to see a whole season of Rudy to see if he can turn it around. Get an o-line in front to him or his heir apparent.
 
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SteelBuckeye said:
Thing with Ridder is that if his Pro Day goes as well as his Combine did, he won't be there when Steelers pick in Rd 2.
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I think you're right.

SteelBuckeye said:
So, is he worth the investment at 1:20?
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No.

SteelBuckeye said:
Are any of them?
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No. I wanted the Steelers to draft Kyle Trask in the 2021 draft because the 2022 draft has a bad QB class. None of the guys mentioned in the draft sites interests me as a franchise QB, and a team should never spend a 1st round pick on anything other than a franchise QB.
 
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We could also talk about Cope.!




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What chu talking about Willis?
 
SteelBuckeye said:
Thing with Ridder is that if his Pro Day goes as well as his Combine did, he won't be there when Steelers pick in Rd 2. So, is he worth the investment at 1:20? Are any of them?
I guess we'll see on draft day ... if any of them are available.
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Ridder does have some upside there. Not sure at 1-20 it gives us the best value. I think a trade down in one I would be more of an ok whatever .... if it brings in another high enough pick.
 
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slashsteel said:
Ridder does have some upside there. Not sure at 1-20 it gives us the best value. I think a trade down in one I would be more of an ok whatever .... if it brings in another high enough pick.
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If you're going to trade you need to get Coach involved,........ that Sum-***** could get us two firsts for players we don'rt even have...................




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BamaSteeler52 said:
I agree. I don't see any QB in this draft worth a rnd 1 pick...
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I'm not a draft nick but I've looked at all these guys a fair amount. To me you could make a case for Pickett, Willis, Ridder, or a couple other guys to be the best of the lot. So if you get a beast in the trenches in round one ad oe of those guys is there in two. Even if you have to spend a little to get him. That would be your best move if you have to take one.
 
I wouldn't go all in on Willis as some of his weaknesses are significant in terms of translating to the NFL. Unlike some of the other prospects, I could at least try to sell myself on him because of his electric arm talent. His arm strength feels effortless compared to the other QBs and he has a knack for the big play. My biggest concern is those plays in between, the ones where you just need to move the chains. I know he can connect on the deep ball and make plays with his legs. Can he consistently hit the 10-yard pass on third and nine?
 
SteelerSask2 said:
I'm not a draft nick but I've looked at all these guys a fair amount. To me you could make a case for Pickett, Willis, Ridder, or a couple other guys to be the best of the lot. So if you get a beast in the trenches in round one ad oe of those guys is there in two. Even if you have to spend a little to get him. That would be your best move if you have to take one.
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If you could morph all these guys into one QB you would have one helluva prospect. Trying to figure out who out of the group can be a franchise... That is a difficult decide.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
I wouldn't go all in on Willis as some of his weaknesses are significant in terms of translating to the NFL. Unlike some of the other prospects, I could at least try to sell myself on him because of his electric arm talent. His arm strength feels effortless compared to the other QBs and he has a knack for the big play. My biggest concern is those plays in between, the ones where you just need to move the chains. I know he can connect on the deep ball and make plays with his legs. Can he consistently hit the 10-yard pass on third and nine?
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As someone noted earlier, those same concerns were expressed about Allen. And the concerns manifested in year one. Not saying that Willis is Allen, they're two different builds, etc. But, Allen was able to develop ... Who's to say Willis wouldn't? Still would rather have OL/WR/ILB in the first than any of the QBs. But, in the second (where Willis won't be available)? Ridder though ... hmmmm
 
SteelBuckeye said:
As someone noted earlier, those same concerns were expressed about Allen. And the concerns manifested in year one. Not saying that Willis is Allen, they're two different builds, etc. But, Allen was able to develop ... Who's to say Willis wouldn't? Still would rather have OL/WR/ILB in the first than any of the QBs. But, in the second (where Willis won't be available)? Ridder though ... hmmmm
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Allen is exactly why teams take guys with big arms. Justin Herbert had a lot of questions entering the NFL and who wouldn't take him now? You take the raw talent and develop it. I'm not sure this offensive coaching staff can put a QB in position to succeed. The scheme over the past three years has been dreadful.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Allen is exactly why teams take guys with big arms. Justin Herbert had a lot of questions entering the NFL and who wouldn't take him now? You take the raw talent and develop it. I'm not sure this offensive coaching staff can put a QB in position to succeed. The scheme over the past three years has been dreadful.
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Maaaan, if it's true that Canada won't even watch game film with his assistants, how in the heck could you trust him to work with Sullivan to develop a raw QB?
 
SteelBuckeye said:
32 on the Wonderlic. While I don't put a whole lot of stock into that test, it will be great not to have to hear Coach spending the time up to the draft talking about how he doesn't want him because of his Wonderlic score. Accuracy, small school, time it will take to develop, all are concerns to be discussed. Intelligence (as rated by that test) is not. Character, is not. Just football skills. Fantastic.
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If he scored a 32 that would likely be higher than any Steelers QB has ever scored. I believe Dobbs scored a 29.

I do take stock in the wonderlic as it does help you understand how easily a player will pick up a playbook and how much film study he can absorb. Doesn’t do any good if the work isn’t put in but it does show how capable someone might be.
 
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