My opinion on Willis

[mightyguru]

I think you're right.



No.



No. I wanted the Steelers to draft Kyle Trask in the 2021 draft because the 2022 draft has a bad QB class. None of the guys mentioned in the draft sites interests me as a franchise QB, and a team should never spend a 1st round pick on anything other than a franchise QB.

Agreed. Especially when you have the 5th year option

 

[mightyguru]

So Creed didn't meet what the Steelers want in a center but the midget Green did ? Ok

I gotta assume they had a higher grade on 'Muth.

 

[mightyguru]

Do we have a Davenport on the roster???

I know this---as well as anyone else that can see the facts/stats---Najee Harris (yeah, that's our RB) is the ONLY RB in the history of the league to have 300 carries and over 70+ receptions. The kid is a stud. Period.

The Steelers were blindsided by the retirement of DeCastro. Yes, they knew about Pouncey's retirement. And then Big Al was the weakest link on the OL before he walked in FA. Trying to replace 3 OL in one offseason is a large task. Adding Muth, who can block, was ingenious...

The missing link is still C but I'm sure we have enough moola to get one in FA now.

No way we let Feiler go if we know DDC is done.

 

[slashsteel]

So Creed didn't meet what the Steelers want in a center but the midget Green did ? Ok

I think they thought with what little they saw of Green at C that they could mold him into the position. I think they loved Muth. Maybe even a little frustration with Ebron's inconsistent.

I mean they made two solid choices 1 and 2. But fixing their Oline should have took priority.

Especially when you fail to fix it in free agency.

That made it so that the draft choices had to be ready sooner than later. Pigeon holing your Oline into a possible situation. Which of course flared it's ugly head.

 

[Stryker]

Every QB drafted is a question at QB. So ******* what?

Seriously, Ridder and Willis are not question marks? At least Trask had three years of performance in the SEC - including torching Alabama for something like 380 yards and 4 TD's - as well as being 6'5", 245 lbs. to help answer the "question."



How'd that work out?

I swear, Cope, you have to be the only person other than Mike Tomlin who thinks taking Freiermuth over Humphrey and waiting until the 3rd round to upgrade a terrible offensive line was a good idea.

Also, take Humphrey 1, Trask 2 and oh, I think the team still has draft picks in 2021 and this year. The Steelers are not a one-draft or one-player fix. They have a ton of very deep holes to fill. Taking Davenport then Freiermuth was a "win it all this year" draft.

And that approach was stupid. Idiotic. Destined to fail - and it did. Ranking TE over a likely All-Pro offensive lineman is nuts.

I don't mind QBs this year being questions, we had no reason to think we weren't a few players away from a SB last year with a health BB that went 12-0 to start the previous season. And what we have to show for it is the best RB prospect in either of these drafts who is already a pro bowler you can build an offense around (that doesn't require blocking apparently. And it took us 6 years to find a replacement for Heath Miller. TEs don't grow on trees for us, and I'm happy to have a sure handed, big bodied TE in the middle of the field who is improving as a blocker. We got the best RB in the draft and the best all around TE in the draft in the first 2 rounds. We should have been able to fill the OL with vets instead of relying on rookies for last year's run.

I'm much happier not having questions at RB and TE than I am trying to fill holes on OL. It's much easier to build a line than it is to find elite skill players.

 

[BamaSteeler52]

So Creed didn't meet what the Steelers want in a center but the midget Green did ? Ok

Creed
6' 4" 302 lbs. Arms 32 1/4
Kendric
6' 2" 305 lbs. Arms 32 1/4"

WOW Creed is a freaking giant compared to Green...

 

[Fiji Mariner]

While this is not an endorsement of Willis I would much prefer him with pick 20 than trading this year’s 1&2 and a few more early picks over the next couple years for a Rodgers/Wilson.

If he were there in the 2nd-3rd (which he won’t, wouldn’t doubt if he’s gone before pick 20) I’d definitely take a swing if we haven’t addressed the position already.

Hopefully there is a BPA that fits a need waiting there for us at 20 and if we do take a swing at QB it’s on day 2 as the run on Strong/Ridder/Coral gets going…or better yet just invest in LOS because we already grabbed Winston/Trubisky in free agency.

 

[Steeltime]

Creed
6' 4" 302 lbs. Arms 32 1/4
Kendric
6' 2" 305 lbs. Arms 32 1/4"

WOW Creed is a freaking giant compared to Green...

Do you not own a television? Kendrick Green is terrible. Horrible. Spent as much time in the backfield as Harris.

Humphrey is superb. Great balance, good in space, manhandles defenders.

Creed Humphrey is so much better than "Shopping Cart" that only a complete blithering idiot would think Green is in the same universe as Humphrey. So if the dunce cap fits ...

 

[BamaSteeler52]

Do you not own a television? Kendrick Green is terrible. Horrible. Spent as much time in the backfield as Harris.

Humphrey is superb. Strong, manhandles defenders.

Creed Humphrey is so much better than "Shopping Cart" that only a complete blithering idiot would think Green is in the same universe as Humphrey.

LOL...

 

[BamaSteeler52]

Do you not own a television? Kendrick Green is terrible. Horrible. Spent as much time in the backfield as Harris.

Humphrey is superb. Great balance, good in space, manhandles defenders.

Creed Humphrey is so much better than "Shopping Cart" that only a complete blithering idiot would think Green is in the same universe as Humphrey. So if the dunce cap fits ...

Can you read?

 

[Steeltime]

LOL...

OMG
ROFLMAO
BSRS

 

[Steeltime]

Can you read?

You are arguing that Kendrick Green - a terrible center, awful, somebody who is talked about moving to guard because he is so bad at center - is comparable to Creed Humphrey, one of the best centers in the NFL as of his first year in the league.

 

[BamaSteeler52]

OMG
ROFLMAO
BSRS

LOL. Can you read...

 

[BamaSteeler52]

You are arguing that Kendrick Green - a terrible center, awful, somebody who is talked about moving to guard because he is so bad at center - is comparable to Creed Humphrey, one of the best centers in the NFL as of his first year in the league.

 

[FordFairLane]

All of that's pretty. And I'll bet it took a lot of time to compile. Doesn't matter.
Here's another fact. Barring some character issue popping up, or some type of injury, Willis will be drafted waaaay higher than Dobbs was. Not based on college production, but based on potential/what some team thinks they can make of him at the NFL level. Dobbs was drafted where he was drafted because teams thought he was a developmental backup and possibly a spot starter ... at best. None of these teams are even hinting that they see Willis as that. I'll trust the opinions of the guys who get paid to do the evaluating ... Maybe they're wrong and you're right in this instance. Time will tell.

Yes, I agree. This might be the weakest draft class in 20 years. So a marginal talent like Willis probably gets pushed up draft boards. But a guy who isn’t as talented as Tee Martin. People are grading this QB class on a curve. It doesn’t change the facts that the talent is lacking in this draft. There’s red flags on every single QB prospect, not just Willis. Could a solid starter come out of this draft? Sure. I just wouldn’t bet on it.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I think they thought with what little they saw of Green at C that they could mold him into the position. I think they loved Muth. Maybe even a little frustration with Ebron's inconsistent.

I mean they made two solid choices 1 and 2. But fixing their Oline should have took priority.

Especially when you fail to fix it in free agency.

That made it so that the draft choices had to be ready sooner than later. Pigeon holing your Oline into a possible situation. Which of course flared it's ugly head.

Totally agree slash and then when you add in the OL coach being in way over his head doesn't help the rookies either. They were made to sink or swim or dog-paddle to just tread water. The blocking scheme and OC play calling didn't help one single bit.

Not only did it raise the OL play when HousenomA was put in at center but also their play was raised when the end of season assistant was bumped up to OL coach and he made good strive in short time.

SO, not only did they fail in players placement & FA bring ins but also in coaching.





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[Drink IRON City]

Creed
6' 4" 302 lbs. Arms 32 1/4
Kendric
6' 2" 305 lbs. Arms 32 1/4"

WOW Creed is a freaking giant compared to Green...

Maybe NOT physically but in ability I would say H-E-L-L YES !!!




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[SteelerInLebanon]

Yes. It’s my opinion. My opinion based on facts.

Dobbs

6-3
216lbs
32 5/8” arm length
9 1/4” hand size
4.64 40
33” vert
122” bj
6.75 3-cone
4.31 20-shuttle

61.5% 7138 yards 53 tds 29 ints

Willis
6-0.5
219lbs
31 3/4” arm length
9 1/2” hand size

Refused to work out

62.8% 5176 yards 48 tds 18 ints

Dobbs played for an SEC team with fr better talent around him. He stunk it up in the 4th quarter regularly in college.
Willis had far less receiver talent around but he did play lessor competition. I am not a fan of Willis but your comparison is flawed and I think Willis is a better player then Dobbs.

 

[BamaSteeler52]

Maybe NOT physically but in ability I would say H-E-L-L YES !!!




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Again just so people can grasp this, I agree there were struggles in Greens game. He was a 3rd round pick that was never a full time center in college that was put into that starting role. Sorry but the blanket statements and there was nothing positive in his game are straight up bull ****. Plus you have **** for OG play next to a rookie was bound to be ugly. Im willing to give the 3rd rounder a chance to redeem and fix his issues.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Again just so people can grasp this, I agree there were struggles in Greens game. He was a 3rd round pick that was never a full time center in college that was put into that starting role. Sorry but the blanket statements and there was nothing positive in his game are straight up bull ****. Plus you have **** for OG play next to a rookie was bound to be ugly. Im willing to give the 3rd rounder a chance to redeem and fix his issues.

No worries

I thought I read that Creed was rated the best center in football last year, not just of the rookies. I stand by my statement Creed was better than Green.

Do I want GREEN to rise to the top, HELL YES and I will root for him to no end. But in real world time, GREEN will have a mountain to climb to get to Creed's level.




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[SteelBuckeye]

Yes, I agree. This might be the weakest draft class in 20 years. So a marginal talent like Willis probably gets pushed up draft boards. But a guy who isn’t as talented as Tee Martin. People are grading this QB class on a curve. It doesn’t change the facts that the talent is lacking in this draft. There’s red flags on every single QB prospect, not just Willis. Could a solid starter come out of this draft? Sure. I just wouldn’t bet on it.

I'm in agreement with this. And, just to be clear, it doesn't matter what I think either.

 

[BamaSteeler52]

No worries

I thought I read that Creed was rated the best center in football last year, not just of the rookies. I stand by my statement Creed was better than Green.

Do I want GREEN to rise to the top, HELL YES and I will root for him to no end. But in real world time, GREEN will have a mountain to climb to get to Creed's level.




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My point is Creed had major studs on either side to help him. But like I also said the Rams just won a Super Bowl with one of the worst Centers in the league. Look if Green does not work out and ends up being a OG so be it. He's a Steeler...

 

[ghiaz]

I am willing to see a whole season of Rudy to see if he can turn it around. Get an o-line in front to him or his heir apparent.

This is where I'm at as well. I wouldn't bite on any QB in this class in the first round. If J. Davis is there in the first I'd take him. But with a 4.7 40 at 340lbs, he may not make it that far. Anyway it's BP available for me whether it's OL, DL, CB, or LB. I say we wait to see what QBs are available in the 3rd. Too many other needs.

 

[Slaine]

I think that the Steelers are in the perfect position to trade back. I wouldn't have a problem taking Willis at #31 so long as we have an extra second rounder in place to get the other pieces that we need.

The value in the draft is #15-45 and I keep hearing that the way players are being graded is as much down to fit in a system as anything else. So we will see what look like surprises to a lot of folks throughout the 1st and 2nd round.

Willis has openly said that he's not ready to start and he knows it which is good to hear. Adding a smart, athletic, high character guy with a cannon can't hurt. I don't think I ever heard Dobbs or Martin described as having a cannon so I think that those comparisons are invidious. Take a look at some unbiased draft profiles:

Dobbs:
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/joshua-dobbs/3200444f-4230-2360-8e14-dbbe1dede120
- Prospect Grade: 5.60 Candidate For Bottom Of Roster Or Practice Squad

Willis:
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/malik-willis/32005749-4c61-4428-8345-922a57c28423
- Prospect Grade: 6.34 Will Eventually Be Plus Starter

Very different projections for Dobbs and Willis.

 

[Steeltime]

It doesn’t change the facts that the talent is lacking in this draft. There’s red flags on every single QB prospect, not just Willis. Could a solid starter come out of this draft? Sure. I just wouldn’t bet on it.

That's my belief as well. Some team is going to get a really good QB in this draft - and five others are going to get a decent backup with a 1st or 2nd round pick.

Ridder in the 3rd? Maybe. Have to pass on getting a quality player and likely immediate contributor at WR, however.