My opinion on Willis

[SteelBuckeye]

If he scored a 32 that would likely be higher than any Steelers QB has ever scored. I believe Dobbs scored a 29.

I do take stock in the wonderlic as it does help you understand how easily a player will pick up a playbook and how much film study he can absorb. Doesn’t do any good if the work isn’t put in but it does show how capable someone might be.

Not "IF" when basically the NFL itself is reporting it.

 

[topseed]

I wanted the Steelers to draft Kyle Trask in the 2021 draft because the 2022 draft has a bad QB class. None of the guys mentioned in the draft sites interests me as a franchise QB, and a team should never spend a 1st round pick on anything other than a franchise QB.

So...you believe that Kyle Trask is a franchise quarterback, then?

 

[Steeltime]

So...you believe that Kyle Trask is a franchise quarterback, then?

I think he is better than any QB taken in this draft and would have been available in the 2nd round, not the first. I also think if he becomes Tampa's QB, he is one of the better QB's in the NFC and soon.

You can look up my mocks in the 2021 mock thread. I pushed Trask hard, then mocked the Steelers moving down several spots, taking Creed Humphrey in the 1st and Trask in the 2nd.

 

[slashsteel]

I think he is better than any QB taken in this draft and would have been available in the 2nd round, not the first. I also think if he becomes Tampa's QB, he is one of the better QB's in the NFC and soon.

You can look up my mocks in the 2021 mock thread. I pushed Trask hard, then mocked the Steelers moving down several spots, taking Creed Humphrey in the 1st and Trask in the 2nd.

I like Trask wouldn't shock me if he developed into a franchise. A pure pocket passer. If anyone can develop him Arians can.

 

[Steeltime]

I like Trask wouldn't shock me if he developed into a franchise. A pure pocket passer. If anyone can develop him Arians can.

Trask reminds me a bit of early Ben - big, good arm, good mobility inside the pocket, accurate. He will not scramble but he can move around and buy time. Not nearly as good an arm as early Ben, however.

 

[Stryker]

I think he is better than any QB taken in this draft and would have been available in the 2nd round, not the first. I also think if he becomes Tampa's QB, he is one of the better QB's in the NFC and soon.

You can look up my mocks in the 2021 mock thread. I pushed Trask hard, then mocked the Steelers moving down several spots, taking Creed Humphrey in the 1st and Trask in the 2nd.

Yay! We have a center and a question mark for a QB.

Where's our pro bowl RB and best TE since Heath Miller?

 

[bermudasteel]

I am willing to see a whole season of Rudy to see if he can turn it around. Get an o-line in front to him or his heir apparent.

I nearly choked on my OJ...

But back to the Malik Willis topic.

The more I dig the better this dog food taste...There's a reason why none of us are GM's and scouts. IF he's there, and in range after 1.15 - I wouldn't be surprised if we bunny hop a few teams to go get him.

Again, this isn't my favorite pick but I'm starting to understand 'why' the FO's interest are so high on him...

 

[Steeltime]

Yay! We have a center and a question mark for a QB.

Every QB drafted is a question at QB. So ******* what?

Seriously, Ridder and Willis are not question marks? At least Trask had three years of performance in the SEC - including torching Alabama for something like 380 yards and 4 TD's - as well as being 6'5", 245 lbs. to help answer the "question."

Where's our pro bowl RB and best TE since Heath Miller?

How'd that work out?

I swear, Cope, you have to be the only person other than Mike Tomlin who thinks taking Freiermuth over Humphrey and waiting until the 3rd round to upgrade a terrible offensive line was a good idea.

Also, take Humphrey 1, Trask 2 and oh, I think the team still has draft picks in 2021 and this year. The Steelers are not a one-draft or one-player fix. They have a ton of very deep holes to fill. Taking Davenport then Freiermuth was a "win it all this year" draft.

And that approach was stupid. Idiotic. Destined to fail - and it did. Ranking TE over a likely All-Pro offensive lineman is nuts.

 

[BamaSteeler52]

Every QB drafted is a question at QB. So ******* what?

Seriously, Ridder and Willis are not question marks? At least Trask had three years of performance in the SEC - including torching Alabama for something like 380 yards and 4 TD's - as well as being 6'5", 245 lbs. to help answer the "question."



How'd that work out?

I swear, Cope, you have to be the only person other than Mike Tomlin who thinks taking Freiermuth over Humphrey and waiting until the 3rd round to upgrade a terrible offensive line was a good idea.

Also, take Humphrey 1, Trask 2 and oh, I think the team still has draft picks in 2021 and this year. The Steelers are not a one-draft or one-player fix. They have a ton of very deep holes to fill. Taking Davenport then Freiermuth was a "win it all this year" draft.

And that approach was stupid. Idiotic. Destined to fail - and it did. Ranking TE over a likely All-Pro offensive lineman is nuts.

Humphrey did not meet the Steelers wants or needs as a center if he did they would have taken him. The Steelers had a major hole at TE and they filled it with one of the best and "likely all pro" at the position. Like you said this team is not one player or draft away.

 

[Steeltime]

Humphrey did not meet the Steelers wants or needs as a center if he did they would have taken him.

Yeah, sure. But that was a bad decision. Passing on Apple at $87 per share because it did not meet my needs or wants, and then going for Enron at $95 per share instead, was a bad idea, is a bad idea and will always be a bad idea. Same for passing on Humphrey twice when he was a three-year starter, all conference twice, tested insanely well at the combine, has no injury history and was available at pick 55. Passing on Kearse in favor of Troy Edwards was a terrible idea but at least the team can explain that they believed the WR corps needed a lot of help, right now.

The Steelers needed help on the OL, right now, and picked a ******* TE.

The Steelers had a major hole at TE and they filled it with one of the best and "likely all pro" at the position. Like you said this team is not one player or draft away.

The team lost four starting offensive linemen from the 2020 team that began 11-0. Going for Davenport and Freiermuth is looking to fix the offense now with two weapons on the theory that the defense and the new offensive weapons will make the team a Super Bowl contender. That was dumb then, and has not improved with age.

And I agree that if the team "reached" for an offensive linemen, then that would be a bad approach. But the 2021 draft was hell-deep in LT, RT, QB and had three really good C (Humphrey, Meinerz and Myers). So getting a LT, C, RT or QB in the first two rounds made a ton of sense.

 

[BamaSteeler52]

Yeah, sure. But that was a bad decision. Passing on Apple at $87 per share because it did not meet my needs or wants, and then going for Enron at $95 per share instead, was a bad idea, is a bad idea and will always be a bad idea. Same for passing on Humphrey twice when he was a three-year starter, all conference twice, tested insanely well at the combine, has no injury history and was available at pick 55. Passing on Kearse in favor of Troy Edwards was a terrible idea but at least the team can explain that they believed the WR corps needed a lot of help, right now.

The Steelers needed help on the OL, right now, and picked a ******* TE.



The team lost four starting offensive linemen from the 2020 team that began 11-0. Going for Davenport and Freiermuth is looking to fix the offense now with two weapons on the theory that the defense and the new offensive weapons will make the team a Super Bowl contender. That was dumb then, and has not improved with age.

And I agree that if the team "reached" for an offensive linemen, then that would be a bad approach. But the 2021 draft was hell-deep in LT, RT, QB and had three really good C (Humphrey, Meinerz and Myers). So getting a LT, C, RT or QB in the first two rounds made a ton of sense.

Lol... I quit reading that Bull **** when you started comparing centers to stock.

 

[Steeltime]

Lol... I quit reading ...

I can tell.

You quit posting, my work here is done.

 

[BamaSteeler52]

I can tell.

You quit posting, my work here is done.

No there just was zero in that **** rant that was worth any time. The Steelers liked the athletic ability of KC over Humphrey and they obviously did not want to miss out on one of the best TE's. Just get over it. See ya in the posts.

 

[slashsteel]

Every QB drafted is a question at QB. So ******* what?

Seriously, Ridder and Willis are not question marks? At least Trask had three years of performance in the SEC - including torching Alabama for something like 380 yards and 4 TD's - as well as being 6'5", 245 lbs. to help answer the "question."



How'd that work out?

I swear, Cope, you have to be the only person other than Mike Tomlin who thinks taking Freiermuth over Humphrey and waiting until the 3rd round to upgrade a terrible offensive line was a good idea.

Also, take Humphrey 1, Trask 2 and oh, I think the team still has draft picks in 2021 and this year. The Steelers are not a one-draft or one-player fix. They have a ton of very deep holes to fill. Taking Davenport then Freiermuth was a "win it all this year" draft.

And that approach was stupid. Idiotic. Destined to fail - and it did. Ranking TE over a likely All-Pro offensive lineman is nuts.

Dookie is back! Girls lock your closets!

 

[bermudasteel]

Every QB drafted is a question at QB. So ******* what?

Seriously, Ridder and Willis are not question marks? At least Trask had three years of performance in the SEC - including torching Alabama for something like 380 yards and 4 TD's - as well as being 6'5", 245 lbs. to help answer the "question."



How'd that work out?

I swear, Cope, you have to be the only person other than Mike Tomlin who thinks taking Freiermuth over Humphrey and waiting until the 3rd round to upgrade a terrible offensive line was a good idea.

Also, take Humphrey 1, Trask 2 and oh, I think the team still has draft picks in 2021 and this year. The Steelers are not a one-draft or one-player fix. They have a ton of very deep holes to fill. Taking Davenport then Freiermuth was a "win it all this year" draft.

And that approach was stupid. Idiotic. Destined to fail - and it did. Ranking TE over a likely All-Pro offensive lineman is nuts.

Nope, not onboard w/ taking Humphrey over Najee. Neither would I take Trask over Muth...

 

[FordFairLane]

Not "IF" when basically the NFL itself is reporting it.

Oh, fine. He scored a 32.

it doesn’t change the rest of his weaknesses. Dobbs was a better athlete. Better size. Better stats and played against better competition. Dobbs was a 4th round pick. I think Dobbs has hung around as long as he’s had because of his smarts and disposition. Willis probably could have a 3-5 year career as a backup. But if Dobbs was in this draft he’d he head and shoulders above Willis on my draft board.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Oh, fine. He scored a 32.

it doesn’t change the rest of his weaknesses. Dobbs was a better athlete. Better size. Better stats and played against better competition. Dobbs was a 4th round pick. I think Dobbs has hung around as long as he’s had because of his smarts and disposition. Willis probably could have a 3-5 year career as a backup. But if Dobbs was in this draft he’d he head and shoulders above Willis on my draft board.

But, YOUR draft board doesn't matter. Not even a little bit.
So, there's that.

 

[bermudasteel]

Yeah, sure. But that was a bad decision. Passing on Apple at $87 per share because it did not meet my needs or wants, and then going for Enron at $95 per share instead, was a bad idea, is a bad idea and will always be a bad idea. Same for passing on Humphrey twice when he was a three-year starter, all conference twice, tested insanely well at the combine, has no injury history and was available at pick 55. Passing on Kearse in favor of Troy Edwards was a terrible idea but at least the team can explain that they believed the WR corps needed a lot of help, right now.

The Steelers needed help on the OL, right now, and picked a ******* TE.



The team lost four starting offensive linemen from the 2020 team that began 11-0. Going for Davenport and Freiermuth is looking to fix the offense now with two weapons on the theory that the defense and the new offensive weapons will make the team a Super Bowl contender. That was dumb then, and has not improved with age.

And I agree that if the team "reached" for an offensive linemen, then that would be a bad approach. But the 2021 draft was hell-deep in LT, RT, QB and had three really good C (Humphrey, Meinerz and Myers). So getting a LT, C, RT or QB in the first two rounds made a ton of sense.

Do we have a Davenport on the roster???

I know this---as well as anyone else that can see the facts/stats---Najee Harris (yeah, that's our RB) is the ONLY RB in the history of the league to have 300 carries and over 70+ receptions. The kid is a stud. Period.

The Steelers were blindsided by the retirement of DeCastro. Yes, they knew about Pouncey's retirement. And then Big Al was the weakest link on the OL before he walked in FA. Trying to replace 3 OL in one offseason is a large task. Adding Muth, who can block, was ingenious...

The missing link is still C but I'm sure we have enough moola to get one in FA now.

 

[FordFairLane]

But, YOUR draft board doesn't matter. Not even a little bit.
So, there's that.

Yes. It’s my opinion. My opinion based on facts.

Dobbs

6-3
216lbs
32 5/8” arm length
9 1/4” hand size
4.64 40
33” vert
122” bj
6.75 3-cone
4.31 20-shuttle

61.5% 7138 yards 53 tds 29 ints

Willis
6-0.5
219lbs
31 3/4” arm length
9 1/2” hand size

Refused to work out

62.8% 5176 yards 48 tds 18 ints

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Yes. It’s my opinion. My opinion based on facts.

Dobbs

6-3
216lbs
32 5/8” arm length
9 1/4” hand size
4.64 40
33” vert
122” bj
6.75 3-cone
4.31 20-shuttle

61.5% 7138 yards 53 tds 29 ints

Willis
6-0.5
219lbs
31 3/4” arm length
9 1/2” hand size

Refused to work out

62.8% 5176 yards 48 tds 18 ints

All of that's pretty. And I'll bet it took a lot of time to compile. Doesn't matter.
Here's another fact. Barring some character issue popping up, or some type of injury, Willis will be drafted waaaay higher than Dobbs was. Not based on college production, but based on potential/what some team thinks they can make of him at the NFL level. Dobbs was drafted where he was drafted because teams thought he was a developmental backup and possibly a spot starter ... at best. None of these teams are even hinting that they see Willis as that. I'll trust the opinions of the guys who get paid to do the evaluating ... Maybe they're wrong and you're right in this instance. Time will tell.

 

[Steeltime]

Nope, not onboard w/ taking Humphrey over Najee. Neither would I take Trask over Muth...

I bring up my mocking Humphrey 1 and Trask 2 to demonstrate that I was big on Humphrey. I also wound up agreeing that Harris was a solid pick at 24. I did not see Humphrey making it to 55 so did not mock him there.

The 2021 mocks are still there. Close to the draft, after the combine and pro-days, I had no issue with Harris at 24, mocked him there several times if trading down and going Humphrey did not play.

But I would not take Harris at 24 and THEN pass on the best C in the draft at 55. That is where I say the Steelers ****** up.

Finally, you can disagree with Humphrey at 24 and Trask at 55 - hell, you just did - but if the Steelers did so, they have a much better situation at two key positions and could have used pick 87 to get Spencer Brown, an OT who started for Buffalo at RT and got rave reviews. Brown is another guy I liked a lot.

So the Steelers would come into this draft with a very, very good C, really good RT, AND a possible QB for 2022 and beyond.

 

[slashsteel]

But, YOUR draft board doesn't matter. Not even a little bit.
So, there's that.

C'mon man let's not knock things peeps put a lot of time and effort into. I am sure there is other things to hack on.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

C'mon man let's not knock things peeps put a lot of time and effort into. I am sure there is other things to hack on.

Not knocking the time and effort. I appreciate when folks have a passion for something and work diligently at it. What I was pointing out was that just because he states "so and so would not be on my board; or would be behind some other player on my board", doesn't mean that NFL teams see it that way. In fact, most of us wouldn't/couldn't and don't evaluate in the same manner as NFL teams and none of us are responsible for running or participating in an NFL Rookie draft.

 

[slashsteel]

Not knocking the time and effort. I appreciate when folks have a passion for something and work diligently at it. What I was pointing out was that just because he states "so and so would not be on my board; or would be behind some other player on my board", doesn't mean that NFL teams see it that way. In fact, most of us wouldn't/couldn't and don't evaluate in the same manner as NFL teams and none of us are responsible for running or participating in an NFL Rookie draft.

We know the Steelers board usually doesn't equal anyone's board. Hopefully they have no cards on the first round with a QBs name on it.

 

[Wolf44]

So Creed didn't meet what the Steelers want in a center but the midget Green did ? Ok