My opinion on Willis

[Ike Kelly]

Every QB drafted is a question at QB. So ******* what?

Seriously, Ridder and Willis are not question marks? At least Trask had three years of performance in the SEC - including torching Alabama for something like 380 yards and 4 TD's - as well as being 6'5", 245 lbs. to help answer the "question."



How'd that work out?

I swear, Cope, you have to be the only person other than Mike Tomlin who thinks taking Freiermuth over Humphrey and waiting until the 3rd round to upgrade a terrible offensive line was a good idea.

Also, take Humphrey 1, Trask 2 and oh, I think the team still has draft picks in 2021 and this year. The Steelers are not a one-draft or one-player fix. They have a ton of very deep holes to fill. Taking Davenport then Freiermuth was a "win it all this year" draft.

And that approach was stupid. Idiotic. Destined to fail - and it did. Ranking TE over a likely All-Pro offensive lineman is nuts.

Ok not to jump in the smoldering cauldron of the several flame wars going on, but I‘ve got to add one important piece to all the POV regarding Humphrey, Willis, Trask, Harris and Friermuth. Cope is right, we have a stud starting RB and a TE of the like since Heath. No one had a 1st round grade on Humphrey. Colbert had a 2nd round grade on him, BUT they had a 1st round grade on Friermuth. Along with the need at TE, he was obviously BPA at that pick. Which is how a successful FO maintains a successful franchise. Humphrey wasn’t even the next C taken in the 2nd, he made all the way down to the bottom after Dickerson and Myers. As mentioned by another poster, had the FO known DDC degenerative ankle was causing doubt to continue playing, Fieler would have been retained and Green would’ve had a more veteran presence on at least one side of him. As a hindsight, Humphrey had veteran G and T. But no one could have predicted his early success, just like Quinn Menierz for DEN.

One more thing….Two Steeler HOFs started as Guards and transitioned to C rather seamlessly. Mind you Webby was just waiting his turn after Mansfield two SBs. Dirt played G all four years at Kentucky before moving to C for PIT in his second year. So who knows there may be hope for Green after being thrown in there as a rookie without any veteran presence.

As for Kyle Trask, we know nothing as to what he can do. Not even Steeltime can prognosticate that. There is one thing we can foresee if BA remains his HC/OC, he’s going to get hit…..A LOT. Especially with BA’s offensive philosophy. He definitely won’t have a long career in that offense.

Willis, could be a solid QB, maybe a very good one. But is going to take him some time to acclimate to the speed of the NFL. Personally, I’d rather take a chance on Ridder if we are drafting a QB. Picket will be gone by 20, and Ridder is moving up the chart with his strong interviews. He could be a low 1st rounder. Which begs the question, if DT or OT is gone, trade down if a willing partner is there, and pick up more draft capital and get Ridder or one of those WRs?

 

[BamaSteeler52]

Ok not to jump in the smoldering cauldron of the several flame wars going on, but I‘ve got to add one important piece to all the POV regarding Humphrey, Willis, Trask, Harris and Friermuth. Cope is right, we have a stud starting RB and a TE of the like since Heath. No one had a 1st round grade on Humphrey. Colbert had a 2nd round grade on him, BUT they had a 1st round grade on Friermuth. Along with the need at TE, he was obviously BPA at that pick. Which is how a successful FO maintains a successful franchise. Humphrey wasn’t even the next C taken in the 2nd, he made all the way down to the bottom after Dickerson and Myers. As mentioned by another poster, had the FO known DDC degenerative ankle was causing doubt to continue playing, Fieler would have been retained and Green would’ve had a more veteran presence on at least one side of him. As a hindsight, Humphrey had veteran G and T. But no one could have predicted his early success, just like Quinn Menierz for DEN.

Thank you... I support Green and believe he can and will improve but if he does not then so be it and the team can move on. I wish he did not have to start his rookie year and I wish he had better OG play next to him since he did... Just to many "he sucks and does nothing well" blanket comment that are not based on fact. He needs work in some aspects of his game, there is no doubt about it.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Thank you... I support Green and believe he can and will improve but if he does not then so be it and the team can move on. I wish he did not have to start his rookie year and I wish he had better OG play next to him since he did... Just to many "he sucks and does nothing well" blanket comment that are not based on fact. He needs work in some aspects of his game, there is no doubt about it.

Which is why he’s working with Pouncey right now on his technique. Then again Coach called Pounce a bust, so maybe Green will be a Longsnapper.

 

[Steeltime]

Ok not to jump in the smoldering cauldron of the several flame wars going on, but I‘ve got to add one important piece to all the POV regarding Humphrey, Willis, Trask, Harris and Friermuth. Cope is right, we have a stud starting RB and a TE of the like since Heath. No one had a 1st round grade on Humphrey. Colbert had a 2nd round grade on him, BUT they had a 1st round grade on Friermuth.

Okay. If the Steelers had even an average center on the roster, I get your point. However, three things:

1. I don't know where pro teams ranked Humphrey but a ton of draft sites had him as a top-32 player.

A very recent CBSSports mock draft has the Rams taking Oklahoma center, Creed Humphrey, in the 2nd round at pick 57. After Humphrey's stunning Pro Day workout where he posted fantastic testing scores, it is very possible that he won't still be on the board at that point. He might even be a 1st round pick.

Background

6 foot 4 5/8 inches tall, 312 pounds, 31.75'' arms, 79.5'' wingspan, 9 5/8'' hands (Senior Bowl measurements)

Humphrey smashed it at his Pro Day workout, posting fantastic testing numbers. 5.09 sec (40 time), 33'' vert jump, 4.46 sec (shuttle), 7.54 sec (3 cone), 29 bench reps, 9'4'' broad jump.

Redshirt junior. Team Captain in 2019 and 2020.

PFF WAR stat ranked him as 3rd best college center in 2020, behind Landon Dickerson (Alabama) and Drake Jackson (Kentucky).

Did not allow a single sack in 2019 and 2020. 37 career starts in 3 years. 11 starts in 2020, 14 starts in 2019.

Academic all conference. Finance major.

Creed Humphrey draft scouting report

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Summary​

Creed Humphrey grew up in an Oklahoma Sooners family, and heads to the NFL having made his mark on the program. The three-year starter, and two-time Big-12 offensive lineman of the year was a key leader on one of the top football teams in the nation from 2018 to 2020. There might be a bit of prospect fatigue with Humphrey, whose most impressive work was probably as a redshirt freshman. The 2018 Sooners finished 12-2, with the offensive line being awarded as the best unit in FBS with the Joe Moore Award. Humphrey was the pivot who held it al together.

Humphrey is an extremely solid center prospect, an 8/10 type across the board. He does great work with his hand fighting and strength, thanks to a background in wrestling and in the weight room. He’s balanced and a good mover all around. He can work one-on-one and hold his own, or team up on combo blocks and advance to the second level.
Draft projection: Late first round to second round

2021 NFL Draft Scouting Spotlight: Oklahoma C Creed Humphrey

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2. Freiermuth is a good player. I have never said otherwise. However, he is a good player at a position the Steelers just don't use very much. Heath did not catch more than 48 passes until his 5th season. Heath - arguably the best TE in Steelers history - had 45 TD's in 11 seasons. So Freiermuth is certainly an upgrade but at a position where even the best TE the Steelers have ever had did not make that much of a difference.


3. I get drafting Harris at 24. I would have preferred the team draft a LT but there was a run on LT's, so fine. But passing on the OL twice was a terrible choice. The team lost its starting LT, C and LG BEFORE the draft. That does NOT include Decastro, since he was gone after the draft. Lose three starters on the OL and wait until the 3rd round before taking a player? Bad decision that plagued the Steelers the entire year, unless you are a fan of Harris trying to break two tackles to get back to the line of scrimmage.

 

[slashsteel]

Okay. If the Steelers had even an average center on the roster, I get your point. However, three things:

1. I don't know where pro teams ranked Humphrey but a ton of draft sites had him as a top-32 player.

Creed Humphrey draft scouting report

With Short Arms Wide Open "If I could make the Earth and my dreams the same. The only difference is to let love replace all our hate." Creed, Higher. A very recent CBSSports mock draft has the...

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2021 NFL Draft Scouting Spotlight: Oklahoma C Creed Humphrey

A three-year starter with a wrestling background. Check and check.

www.buffalorumblings.com

2. Freiermuth is a good player. I have never said otherwise. However, he is a good player at a position the Steelers just don't use very much. Heath did not catch more than 48 passes until his 5th season. Heath - arguably the best TE in Steelers history - had 45 TD's in 11 seasons. So Freiermuth is certainly an upgrade but at a position where even the best TE the Steelers have ever had did not make that much of a difference.


3. I get drafting Harris at 24. I would have preferred the team draft a LT but there was a run on LT's, so fine. But passing on the OL twice was a terrible choice. The team lost its starting LT, C and LG BEFORE the draft. That does NOT include Decastro, since he was gone after the draft. Lose three starters on the OL and wait until the 3rd round before taking a player? Bad decision that plagued the Steelers the entire year, unless you are a fan of Harris trying to break two tackles to get back to the line of scrimmage.

Their bad decisions started way before that... in free agency. They were just chasing waterfalls by the time the draft rolled around.Their draft approach would have been ok if they would have took the proper steps in free agency to solidify the Oline. Instead of adjusting the draft to more priority positions they just sticked to the river and lakes they are used to.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Okay. If the Steelers had even an average center on the roster, I get your point. However, three things:

1. I don't know where pro teams ranked Humphrey but a ton of draft sites had him as a top-32 player.

Creed Humphrey draft scouting report

With Short Arms Wide Open "If I could make the Earth and my dreams the same. The only difference is to let love replace all our hate." Creed, Higher. A very recent CBSSports mock draft has the...

www.turfshowtimes.com

2021 NFL Draft Scouting Spotlight: Oklahoma C Creed Humphrey

A three-year starter with a wrestling background. Check and check.

www.buffalorumblings.com

2. Freiermuth is a good player. I have never said otherwise. However, he is a good player at a position the Steelers just don't use very much. Heath did not catch more than 48 passes until his 5th season. Heath - arguably the best TE in Steelers history - had 45 TD's in 11 seasons. So Freiermuth is certainly an upgrade but at a position where even the best TE the Steelers have ever had did not make that much of a difference.


3. I get drafting Harris at 24. I would have preferred the team draft a LT but there was a run on LT's, so fine. But passing on the OL twice was a terrible choice. The team lost its starting LT, C and LG BEFORE the draft. That does NOT include Decastro, since he was gone after the draft. Lose three starters on the OL and wait until the 3rd round before taking a player? Bad decision that plagued the Steelers the entire year, unless you are a fan of Harris trying to break two tackles to get back to the line of scrimmage.

Listen, you can pound away with draft site prognosticators results until Coach finishes reading his Walter Football Annual, but the fact is whatever they said, the majority of the 32 franchises passed on Humphrey twice. Some even three times. Heck KC passed on him a few picks before selecting him outright. So All the teams draft boards had other players rated higher, regardless of those “draft sites/predictions of outcomes”. If I’m going to side with an evaluator, I’m siding with the professionals, not prognosticators. Those draft site and media evaluators types guys have the benefit of playing with house money (opinions). If they had talent, they would be working in a front office scouting dept.

They haven’t found a player like Heath Miller, until they were able to have Muth fall in their lap. Muth has a way to go be up to 83’s level of blocking, but Gentry has come along nicely to fill that role. Muth was Ebron’s replacement obtained one year earlier.

As for the OL. First LG, RG, RT was set until FA began. Dotson was slated to compete with Finney and win the LG position. They were moving on from Al because of his age and being a vested player, too expensive to keep. Banner was expected to be ready (who won the RT spot in 2020, but tore his ACL in game 1) and he and Chuks would have determined LT/RT. Fieler was going to be retained, but was offered more money from LAC than what they would match. In hindsight that was a mistake, but they had no idea DDC would choose on his own to have another scope and delay his return. They were short on cap space to sign any FA OL, because of the reduced cap year. After cutting DDC and getting some cap $ back, who was available to sign? They got Turner on the cheap, but who else would you have signed 5 weeks after FA? You are scraping the bottom of the bargin bin then. They waited until the cuts during preseason and after the last cut day to add to their extended practice squad and added several. Leglue and Haeg were temporary but could be future backups, luckily their 4th round rookie OT balled all year and looks like a keeper.

Chemistry and cohesion is the bread and butter of the OL. There was only ONE starter on that line during game one (Chuks) the remaining four were all new starters. Then Dotson got hurt and messed up the chemistry even more. You have 3 returning starters, you would have a better chemistry or cohesion. They were going to roll with what they had and let them gel on the go. Sometimes it works, this time didn’t.

Opinionated hind sight is fine, but realize the context. No one on this board could have done the job without just guessing.

 

[topseed]

No it was flat out stupid lowseed funny but stupid... Make some remark in bold to try and look or sound clever about that bull **** you just typed. People freaking crying about a rookie guard switched to center taken in the 3rd round by the Steelers. But he should have play flawless LOL... Note to self bold stuff for effect next time.

I put it in bold to differentiate what I added from what you had already written, stupid. Thanks for including your IQ in your username, by the way.

 

[BamaSteeler52]

Wow days have passed and you are still itching over something you posted that was so stupid. I did give you props for funny. Best of luck with whatever it is you are dealing with.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Thank you... I support Green and believe he can and will improve but if he does not then so be it and the team can move on. I wish he did not have to start his rookie year and I wish he had better OG play next to him since he did... Just to many "he sucks and does nothing well" blanket comment that are not based on fact. He needs work in some aspects of his game, there is no doubt about it.

If Pouncy is truly working with him this off-season then maybe he will fine tune some of those aspects of his game.

He didn't play very good last season. I will pull for him everyday to improve and never root against or for failure. He needs to step up regardless of who is next to him.




Salute the nation

 

[BamaSteeler52]

If Pouncy is truly working with him this off-season then maybe he will fine tune some of those aspects of his game.

He didn't play very good last season. I will pull for him everyday to improve and never root against or for failure. He needs to step up regardless of who is next to him.




Salute the nation

I believe he is doing what he needs to do... The OL is a unit that needs to work together so it does matter who is next to him especially as a rookie. I just wonder why people would expect a 3rd round pick that was a career OG in college getting moved to OC in the NFL would be preforming at some high level... Anyone that watches should know there would be struggles. I accept them because I understand the circumstance but yes he needs to get better and show improvement. Again Chucks & Green were the Steelers two best offensive lineman for sack, pressures and TFL. IMO his game was in between very good & very bad.

 

[topseed]

Wow days have passed and you are still itching over something you posted that was so stupid. I did give you props for funny. Best of luck with whatever it is you are dealing with.

First of all, I don't visit this site every day. And the only thing I dealt with was a reply to you, explaining the simple reason why I used bold type, because it really seemed to bother you for some unknown reason. But thanks for your concern.

I believe he is doing what he needs to do... The OL is a unit that needs to work together so it does matter who is next to him especially as a rookie. I just wonder why people would expect a 3rd round pick that was a career OG in college getting moved to OC in the NFL would be preforming at some high level... Anyone that watches should know there would be struggles. I accept them because I understand the circumstance but yes he needs to get better and show improvement. Again Chucks & Green were the Steelers two best offensive lineman for sack, pressures and TFL. IMO his game was in between very good & very bad.

I don't think any of us were expecting a high level of play out of a guy who only started 4 games at center in his career. Which is why it was stupid of the Steelers to hand him the starting job and continue to trot him out there for most of the season, when he was clearly struggling at the position.

p.s. I bolded the text out of the part of your post to which I directly responded, if that's OK with you.

 

[Slaine]

As for the OL. First LG, RG, RT was set until FA began. Dotson was slated to compete with Finney and win the LG position. They were moving on from Al because of his age and being a vested player, too expensive to keep. Banner was expected to be ready (who won the RT spot in 2020, but tore his ACL in game 1) and he and Chuks would have determined LT/RT. Fieler was going to be retained, but was offered more money from LAC than what they would match. In hindsight that was a mistake, but they had no idea DDC would choose on his own to have another scope and delay his return. They were short on cap space to sign any FA OL, because of the reduced cap year. After cutting DDC and getting some cap $ back, who was available to sign? They got Turner on the cheap, but who else would you have signed 5 weeks after FA? You are scraping the bottom of the bargin bin then. They waited until the cuts during preseason and after the last cut day to add to their extended practice squad and added several. Leglue and Haeg were temporary but could be future backups, luckily their 4th round rookie OT balled all year and looks like a keeper.

That is a really good overview of what went wrong for the Steelers OL last year. The only thing I'd add is that we had alreayd mortgaged the cap for Ben etc and couldn't have retained Fieler at even sensible money. The Covid adjusted cap was a disaster when we were tight up against it anyway.

 

[Steelmann]

Ok not to jump in the smoldering cauldron of the several flame wars going on, but I‘ve got to add one important piece to all the POV regarding Humphrey, Willis, Trask, Harris and Friermuth. Cope is right, we have a stud starting RB and a TE of the like since Heath. No one had a 1st round grade on Humphrey. Colbert had a 2nd round grade on him, BUT they had a 1st round grade on Friermuth. Along with the need at TE, he was obviously BPA at that pick. Which is how a successful FO maintains a successful franchise. Humphrey wasn’t even the next C taken in the 2nd, he made all the way down to the bottom after Dickerson and Myers. As mentioned by another poster, had the FO known DDC degenerative ankle was causing doubt to continue playing, Fieler would have been retained and Green would’ve had a more veteran presence on at least one side of him. As a hindsight, Humphrey had veteran G and T. But no one could have predicted his early success, just like Quinn Menierz for DEN.

One more thing….Two Steeler HOFs started as Guards and transitioned to C rather seamlessly. Mind you Webby was just waiting his turn after Mansfield two SBs. Dirt played G all four years at Kentucky before moving to C for PIT in his second year. So who knows there may be hope for Green after being thrown in there as a rookie without any veteran presence.

As for Kyle Trask, we know nothing as to what he can do. Not even Steeltime can prognosticate that. There is one thing we can foresee if BA remains his HC/OC, he’s going to get hit…..A LOT. Especially with BA’s offensive philosophy. He definitely won’t have a long career in that offense.

Willis, could be a solid QB, maybe a very good one. But is going to take him some time to acclimate to the speed of the NFL. Personally, I’d rather take a chance on Ridder if we are drafting a QB. Picket will be gone by 20, and Ridder is moving up the chart with his strong interviews. He could be a low 1st rounder. Which begs the question, if DT or OT is gone, trade down if a willing partner is there, and pick up more draft capital and get Ridder or one of those WRs?

First of all thanks for your insight. Couple comments,question. You say if DT,OT gone........What about if there is a high ranked CB? Sometimes I think I am the only one on this site that thinks our Defensive Secondary is absolutely a huge weak link.And a huge problem. Finding a stud CB in FA costs a fortune. Sure would be nice to draft one,with that4-5 year contract.

To throw my hat into the cauldron
You mention between your 2 posts here that Creed wasn’t first round draft material on all the teams and had been passed by many twice. While I am no draft guru by any means,I did a lot of research on Creed as he was a player I wanted. Like Steeltime pointed out there were a ton of articles that had him in the first,and certainly in the second where we were.

You then say “no one could have predicted his early success,like Quinn ....“
Well actually many of those draft articles that had him a #1 round pick did predict it. The ones you dismissed.


I respectfully say then,if all these teams had that type of low second round grade on him ,they were wrong.

Now that being said,if the Steelers had a first round grade on Pat I get what you are saying with their draft process. And hey,I loVe Pat. But I do think a top notch center was more important for the team at this current time.

Question. The center that is predicted by most to go in the first round,and some on here wish to be a Steeler pick,
Does he have more projected talent then the centers of last draft? Or do you also see him as Creed to go mid second round?

To throw in a little dig you then say he was obviously BPA,which is how a successful FO maintain a successful franchise. Question. Same FO at the time. So is this what they “ obviously “ did with Artie Burns? I could list others.
While there is no way I will ever argue that the Steelers aren’t a”successful franchise “ I feel they have definitely been trending downward of late. Many on here say Devon Bush was a mistake when he was traded for. . While I am not quite ready to give up on him,so far he has not been worth the price paid. I would have found a way to keep Mike from signing with the Bengals.

There have been many,many questionable coaching hires/decisions,draft philosophy,FA signings/players released of late. Well,at least in my mind. But hey.....it’s a football forum. We all have our opinions.

 

[Ike Kelly]

First of all thanks for your insight. Couple comments,question. You say if DT,OT gone........What about if there is a high ranked CB? Sometimes I think I am the only one on this site that thinks our Defensive Secondary is absolutely a huge weak link.And a huge problem. Finding a stud CB in FA costs a fortune. Sure would be nice to draft one,with that4-5 year contract.

To throw my hat into the cauldron
You mention between your 2 posts here that Creed wasn’t first round draft material on all the teams and had been passed by many twice. While I am no draft guru by any means,I did a lot of research on Creed as he was a player I wanted. Like Steeltime pointed out there were a ton of articles that had him in the first,and certainly in the second where we were.

You then say “no one could have predicted his early success,like Quinn ....“
Well actually many of those draft articles that had him a #1 round pick did predict it. The ones you dismissed.


I respectfully say then,if all these teams had that type of low second round grade on him ,they were wrong.

Now that being said,if the Steelers had a first round grade on Pat I get what you are saying with their draft process. And hey,I loVe Pat. But I do think a top notch center was more important for the team at this current time.

Question. The center that is predicted by most to go in the first round,and some on here wish to be a Steeler pick,
Does he have more projected talent then the centers of last draft? Or do you also see him as Creed to go mid second round?

To throw in a little dig you then say he was obviously BPA,which is how a successful FO maintain a successful franchise. Question. Same FO at the time. So is this what they “ obviously “ did with Artie Burns? I could list others.
While there is no way I will ever argue that the Steelers aren’t a”successful franchise “ I feel they have definitely been trending downward of late. Many on here say Devon Bush was a mistake when he was traded for. . While I am not quite ready to give up on him,so far he has not been worth the price paid. I would have found a way to keep Mike from signing with the Bengals.

There have been many,many questionable coaching hires/decisions,draft philosophy,FA signings/players released of late. Well,at least in my mind. But hey.....it’s a football forum. We all have our opinions.

The DB position is one of the most over evaluated position groups in the draft. (something a former member once stated who was as close to a evaluator with merit than anyone here because his evals were published) Next to QB, it’s virtually a guessing game for any DB not considered a top 15 pick and that’s being optimistic. Maybe 1 in 10 DBs, picked after 15 turn out to be actual first round talent. I’m not a professional evaluator, and won‘t ever pretend to be, but do I watch a lot of games, and check out film when it’s available. Review the last several drafts and identify how many DBs picked after 20 are stalwarts or made it to their 2nd contract with the team that drafted them. Obviously, the last 3 drafts those players are still under their rookie contracts. I see maybe 2 or 3 corners that are 1st round material this year and they will be all gone by pick 15 most likely. However there are a ton of talented DBs that are considered promising in the sweet spot of rounds 2-4. So value is there, rather than guessing in round 1 after selection 15.

In response to the Humphrey pre draft evaluations, as I stated previously, prognosticators from the hundreds of draft periodicals are a dime a dozen. I wouldn’t call my opinion “dismiss“ing anyone. Any person with an opinion or observation can publish one, it’s the experience in the evaluator that validates it. The professionals, those who are actually evaluators in the business with thousands of hours of experience and work within teams front office scouting departments know more about the players themselves. Otherwise you or I could make a guess (once in a hundred) and bingo we are just as clever as they are. No doubt Humphrey was a talented OL, and he WAS high on Colbert’s board, but another player rated higher was available. Divesting the position need at that time is another discussion all together. Also, he had the benefit of veteran presence working with him all year, a factor that cannot be ignored.

To say that all the other teams were wrong in evaluating Humphrey at low second round, is pretty arrogant considering the team that drafted him did. You think he would have been just as successful if placed in a situation like Green was? If I were to guess, probably not. However, I was expecting Humphrey with our second pick, never thought he would make it to us. Getting Muth was surprising to me only in the fact I didn’t even know he was still available, having thought he was already picked.

Linderbaum is definitely a 1st round lineman. I seriously doubt he lasts to our pick. The reason being is PHI. They have a luxury 1st rounder that they could use to trade for a next year pick or draft Linderbaum himself.

As for the “dig” question.…look everyone can say Burns was a bust, heck in hindsight we can say “should’ve taken Kenny Clark or second rounders Jaylon Smith, Xavien Howard or even Myles Jack (might have blossomed in our defense). But the fact is from pick 20 in that draft no one has played up to the 1st round pedigree except Clark. So a half a dozen or so players in that first round met the 1st round grade. Does that mean the majority of teams whiffed? It’s all a crapshoot, with tendencies and x-factors contributing to the evaluation. Even the player we had targeted, Jackson III, didn’t last to his second contract with CIN.

Bush has this year to prove his next contract, I am hopeful he can show what he was as a rookie again. I watched him plenty in the Big 10, so I was excited when we drafted him. I have an acquaintance who was a superb athlete (baseball) and was on his way to a ACC school when in a playoff game torn both his ACL/MCL. Mind you this was well before the 10-12 month turn around time nowadays, but his recovery was long and really had an impact on his psyche. He mentioned (something we can all agree being a kid his age) that before that play “I always felt invincible or impervious to injury. I had been injured before, but never like that. That recovery was draining because I felt I lost my invincibility“. Bush has the best doctors and rehab therapists at his disposal. Hopefully he will get that fearless mentality back and become the player we expect him to be.

Questionable “coaching hires, draft decisions/philosophy, FA signings, releases”…..Hahahaha…as a fan of the sport and team we all have opinions on this board, and that’s what they are just opinions. It’s perfectly fine to disagree, because everyone can have a opinion, even if it doesn’t match yours. The problem lies when folks start belittling others for theirs.

 

[Steelmann]

“The problem lies when folks start belittling others for theirs.”

Have no idea why you decided to throw this in for your response. You thought I was belittling you?

 

[Ike Kelly]

“The problem lies when folks start belittling others for theirs.”

Have no idea why you decided to throw this in for your response. You thought I was belittling you?

No. Nowhere near being negative. Just the opposite actually Steelmann. The position of that response was intended to explain everyone in general can have a opinion, it’s the whole reason why the board is here. But, ridiculing someone’s thought or opinion on something isn’t necessary. We can explain logically why we disagree or just agree to disagree. Factual discussion is sometimes a slippery slope, because sometimes the data is misconstrued. Keep posting though, every longtime member has something to add. Good/Bad or for observation.

 

[FordFairLane]

But, YOUR draft board doesn't matter. Not even a little bit.
So, there's that.

So there's that.

This thread aged well.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

So there's that.

This thread aged well.

It did. Because your draft board, like anyone else not associated with the Steelers, still doesn't matter. Not even a bit.
Call me out on this one when the Steelers, or any other NFL team, start soliciting your opinion when putting together their draft boards.

 

[FordFairLane]

It did. Because your draft board, like anyone else not associated with the Steelers, still doesn't matter. Not even a bit.
Call me out on this one when the Steelers, or any other NFL team, start soliciting your opinion when putting together their draft boards.

You still couldn't spot talent if it took a dump on your face. Yet, my draft boards are pretty rock solid.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

As mentioned by another poster, had the FO known DDC degenerative ankle was causing doubt to continue playing, Fieler would have been retained and Green would’ve had a more veteran presence on at least one side of him. As a hindsight, Humphrey had veteran G and T. But no one could have predicted his early success, just like Quinn Menierz for DEN.

Some people called for drafting Humphrey before his success at KC

 

[SteelBuckeye]

You still couldn't spot talent if it took a dump on your face. Yet, my draft boards are pretty rock solid.

Stay classy Ford. Stay classy.
And, very few people outside of your immediate family really put much stock in your draft boards.

 

[CoolieMan]

Stay classy Ford. Stay classy.
And, very few people outside of your immediate family really put much stock in your draft boards.

why bash someone for putting in effort to do a draft board like this?

you want to bash his work...do some of your own

I don't agree with all of his analysis, but at least he has some reasoning behind his rankings

telling Ford to stay classy is hypocritical has hell since you are being a douche also

want to bash him.....do it for being a coach like attention ***** and pulling up a thread to show he was right about something

 

[SteelBuckeye]

why bash someone for putting in effort to do a draft board like this?

you want to bash his work...do some of your own

I don't agree with all of his analysis, but at least he has some reasoning behind his rankings

telling Ford to stay classy is hypocritical has hell since you are being a douche also

want to bash him.....do it for being a coach like attention ***** and pulling up a thread to show he was right about something

With all due respect, it was not me that resurrected this thread to bash him about a previous argument.
Maybe look at who that was.
Argument was dead and buried until Ford started his **** today.
Edit. My apologies, I see you did bash him for being an attention *****

 

[CoolieMan]

With all due respect, it was not me that resurrected this thread to bash him about a previous argument.
Maybe look at who that was.
Argument was dead and buried until Ford started his **** today.
Edit. My apologies, I see you did bash him for being an attention *****

that is why you should read every word of all my excellent posts

 

[SteelBuckeye]

that is why you should read every word of all my excellent posts

There's a joke in there.
I'm sure Berm or D.I.C. will be along to tell it.