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"Najee Harris ain't it". NAJEE 3.0 It's time to go, yo....

bermudasteel said:
I'm not going to spend time and 'splain to you that not one of those bums, on your list, yes even Bama product, Mark Ingram II, can compare to Derrick Henry.

Please stop. Their scheme and threat of Lamar plus Henry is a nightmare. Period the end.
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He has an agenda that isnt really worth debating...

Run game success is like 70% scheme and 30% talent.

Over tge past 5 years Baltimore abd Philly have been top 5 run teams almost every year... once i think philly fell to like 8th... mostly one of those two was #1 and tge other was in the 2-5 range...

Henry was seen as on the downturn of his career abd Barkley was viewed as Harris... nothing worth breaking the bank over... both went to great run game teams and had amazing years

Nobody would argue we have had a great ground game recently... its hard to judge Harris in our crapfest offense...

The worse part of all of this is that theoretically our young oline should make major improvements this season and an offense often grows a ton in the second year of a OC, so we could have a drastically improved run game that has nothing to do with who we have at RB
 
bermudasteel said:
Dri Archer is better than Najee.
Will Parker is better than Najee.
The wino in the alley sippin' on Ripple is better than Najee.

Did I miss anyone else of relevance???
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Another Ripple reference!!!

If only Najee were fueled by Ripple he’d still be runnin’
 
madinsomniac said:
He has an agenda that isnt really worth debating...

Run game success is like 70% scheme and 30% talent.

Over tge past 5 years Baltimore abd Philly have been top 5 run teams almost every year... once i think philly fell to like 8th... mostly one of those two was #1 and tge other was in the 2-5 range...

Henry was seen as on the downturn of his career abd Barkley was viewed as Harris... nothing worth breaking the bank over... both went to great run game teams and had amazing years

Nobody would argue we have had a great ground game recently... its hard to judge Harris in our crapfest offense...

The worse part of all of this is that theoretically our young oline should make major improvements this season and an offense often grows a ton in the second year of a OC, so we could have a drastically improved run game that has nothing to do with who we have at RB
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Barkley averaged 4.3 ypc as a starter with the crap Giants, and broke a ton of long runs.
Henry had 2000 yards with Tannehill and Arthur Smith.

Harris signed a 1 year prove it contract with only 5 million guaranteed
Barkley signed a contract worth almost 40 million with the Eagles, and 26 million guaranteed, definitely not viewed as Harris. Even Henry who alot were talking about being worn down and about done signed a 2 year contract worth 16 million and 9 million guaranteed. at the age of 30.
 
Coryea said:
Barkley averaged 4.3 ypc as a starter with the crap Giants, and broke a ton of long runs.
Henry had 2000 yards with Tannehill and Arthur Smith.

Harris signed a 1 year prove it contract with only 5 million guaranteed
Barkley signed a contract worth almost 40 million with the Eagles, and 26 million guaranteed, definitely not viewed as Harris. Even Henry who alot were talking about being worn down and about done signed a 2 year contract worth 16 million and 9 million guaranteed. at the age of 30.
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Yep. Agreed. Barkley and Henry are better than Harris. Shocker I say. Shocker!!!!🤪
 
madinsomniac said:
He has an agenda that isnt really worth debating...

Run game success is like 70% scheme and 30% talent.

Over tge past 5 years Baltimore abd Philly have been top 5 run teams almost every year... once i think philly fell to like 8th... mostly one of those two was #1 and tge other was in the 2-5 range...

Henry was seen as on the downturn of his career abd Barkley was viewed as Harris... nothing worth breaking the bank over... both went to great run game teams and had amazing years

Nobody would argue we have had a great ground game recently... its hard to judge Harris in our crapfest offense...

The worse part of all of this is that theoretically our young oline should make major improvements this season and an offense often grows a ton in the second year of a OC, so we could have a drastically improved run game that has nothing to do with who we have at RB
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No agenda, just don't tell me its 70% scheme and surroundings.
Stating Baltimore and Philly were top 5 rush teams is outright BS. They have great rushing QB's but the RB production was nowhere near top 5
Over the past 5 years Baltimores leading rusher was the QB, From a RB standpoint they were near bottom of the league production.
Philly run game was nothing special with Sanders/ Swift/ Gainwell. Thats why they went and got Barkley.
 
bermudasteel said:
Dri Archer is better than Najee.
Will Parker is better than Najee.
The wino in the alley sippin' on Ripple is better than Najee.

Did I miss anyone else of relevance???
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He's obviously head and shoulders above Archer who's not even an NFL player.

This is probably a joke that's going over my head, but Parker >>> Archer. And it's not a clear decision who to take between him and Najee IMO.

I think they're are pretty comparable. Although their styles are obviously quite different.

Especially if we're talking about who would be better with a bad OL. Because you're unlikely to get consistently good blocking for Najee to march down the field. And FWP only needs a crack and he's gone.

Najee's more well rounded though. Better receiving out of the backfield. I don't 100% remember Parker's pass-pro, but my guess is that Najee would win here too.

Parker was a play maker. Are youtube links to highlights allowed? Seems like that wouldn't take away from traffic from the sight. It's too good not to include, so I'll put it here. But I'll be happy to take it out if it's not OK.

75 yard SB Run

Najee's long run is will ever have a run across ~ 1,100 carries in the NFL is about half as long. He just doesn't have the speed to avoid getting chased down IMO. Although I also agree that he likely didn't have too many plays that were blocked this well. Not sure if anyone listens to the Ramon Foster show, but he described Najee's running style as running to where the hole is supposed to be (often into the backs of linemen) instead of using vision to run to where the hole actually is.

Najee's super-power is durability. And he beats Parker here IMO.

But it's not like Parker's a slouch in this area. He had two seasons with 320+ carries. Najee's career high is 307...although Najee had way more touches because he's a better receiving threat (and because of the era too). Worth noting that Najee gets an extra game every season too. So while Parker isn't as durable as Najee across a 4 year stretch, he was certainly able to carry a very heavy load for a 3 year period.

Seems like the big argument for Najee is that he had 4x 1,000 seasons in a row. Parker didn't have 4, but he had three consecutive seasons of 1202, 1494, and 1316 yards. All more than Najee's high @ 1200. And Najee got an extra game per season.
 
NorthernBlitz said:
He's obviously head and shoulders above Archer who's not even an NFL player.

This is probably a joke that's going over my head, but Parker >>> Archer. And it's not a clear decision who to take between him and Najee IMO.

I think they're are pretty comparable. Although their styles are obviously quite different.

Especially if we're talking about who would be better with a bad OL. Because you're unlikely to get consistently good blocking for Najee to march down the field. And FWP only needs a crack and he's gone.

Najee's more well rounded though. Better receiving out of the backfield. I don't 100% remember Parker's pass-pro, but my guess is that Najee would win here too.

Parker was a play maker. Are youtube links to highlights allowed? Seems like that wouldn't take away from traffic from the sight. It's too good not to include, so I'll put it here. But I'll be happy to take it out if it's not OK.

75 yard SB Run

Najee's long run is will ever have a run across ~ 1,100 carries in the NFL is about half as long. He just doesn't have the speed to avoid getting chased down IMO. Although I also agree that he likely didn't have too many plays that were blocked this well. Not sure if anyone listens to the Ramon Foster show, but he described Najee's running style as running to where the hole is supposed to be (often into the backs of linemen) instead of using vision to run to where the hole actually is.

Najee's super-power is durability. And he beats Parker here IMO.

But it's not like Parker's a slouch in this area. He had two seasons with 320+ carries. Najee's career high is 307...although Najee had way more touches because he's a better receiving threat (and because of the era too). Worth noting that Najee gets an extra game every season too. So while Parker isn't as durable as Najee across a 4 year stretch, he was certainly able to carry a very heavy load for a 3 year period.

Seems like the big argument for Najee is that he had 4x 1,000 seasons in a row. Parker didn't have 4, but he had three consecutive seasons of 1202, 1494, and 1316 yards. All more than Najee's high @ 1200. And Najee got an extra game per season.
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NB you will find that 99% of posts in the off bseason usually reeks with sarcasm.

Also 39% of the stats on here are made up on the spot
 
BLITZ said:
NB you will find that 99% of posts in the off bseason usually reeks with sarcasm.

Also 39% of the stats on here are made up on the spot
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Thanks for the heads up.

I figured that I was missing something here.

Archer obviously sucked.

I do think that Parker gets underappreciated, so I was probably being too defensive.
 
BLITZ said:
NB you will find that 99% of posts in the off bseason usually reeks with sarcasm.

Also 39% of the stats on here are made up on the spot
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Obviously having done the math and then used the adjuster for comparable head sizes the ranking of the backs using RBR stats is clearly

Parker: 127.5
Harris: 88.7
Archer: 16.1

Oddly enough if you look at Davenport’s career RBR of 88.7 it makes ya go 🤔

The problem with RBR is that a back gets 10 pts for merely leaving an upper decker so on the field Najee 10pts better than Najeh, OBVIOUSLY
But in the bathroom Najeh “Dookie” Davenport reigns supreme by 10 pts
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Obviously having done the math and then used the adjuster for comparable head sizes the ranking of the backs using RBR stats is clearly

Parker: 127.5
Harris: 88.7
Archer: 16.1

Oddly enough if you look at Davenport’s career RBR of 88.7 it makes ya go 🤔

The problem with RBR is that a back gets 10 pts for merely leaving an upper decker so on the field Najee 10pts better than Najeh, OBVIOUSLY
But in the bathroom Najeh “Dookie” Davenport reigns supreme by 10 pts
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He came out of the bathroom and went in the closet
 
Fiji Mariner said:
That’s right!
Some guys come outta the closet
Other guys go in 🤣

I’m going to have to entirely revamp the RBR equation that I spent a solid 2 minutes on creating-back to the drawing board
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When you're done with that, please move on to Kickers, I'd love to see how Reed stacks up, given the obvious paper towel dispenser metric
 
insaniti said:
When you're done with that, please move on to Kickers, I'd love to see how Reed stacks up, given the obvious paper towel dispenser metric
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solos and assists at Sheetz
 
insaniti said:
When you're done with that, please move on to Kickers, I'd love to see how Reed stacks up, given the obvious paper towel dispenser metric
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After having a couple (loose usage of the term couple) beers at Reed’s bar I told him “you better go do a bathroom check, I tried to recreate history”

🤭
 
NorthernBlitz said:
He's obviously head and shoulders above Archer who's not even an NFL player.

This is probably a joke that's going over my head, but Parker >>> Archer. And it's not a clear decision who to take between him and Najee IMO.

I think they're are pretty comparable. Although their styles are obviously quite different.

Especially if we're talking about who would be better with a bad OL. Because you're unlikely to get consistently good blocking for Najee to march down the field. And FWP only needs a crack and he's gone.

Najee's more well rounded though. Better receiving out of the backfield. I don't 100% remember Parker's pass-pro, but my guess is that Najee would win here too.

Parker was a play maker. Are youtube links to highlights allowed? Seems like that wouldn't take away from traffic from the sight. It's too good not to include, so I'll put it here. But I'll be happy to take it out if it's not OK.

75 yard SB Run

Najee's long run is will ever have a run across ~ 1,100 carries in the NFL is about half as long. He just doesn't have the speed to avoid getting chased down IMO. Although I also agree that he likely didn't have too many plays that were blocked this well. Not sure if anyone listens to the Ramon Foster show, but he described Najee's running style as running to where the hole is supposed to be (often into the backs of linemen) instead of using vision to run to where the hole actually is.

Najee's super-power is durability. And he beats Parker here IMO.

But it's not like Parker's a slouch in this area. He had two seasons with 320+ carries. Najee's career high is 307...although Najee had way more touches because he's a better receiving threat (and because of the era too). Worth noting that Najee gets an extra game every season too. So while Parker isn't as durable as Najee across a 4 year stretch, he was certainly able to carry a very heavy load for a 3 year period.

Seems like the big argument for Najee is that he had 4x 1,000 seasons in a row. Parker didn't have 4, but he had three consecutive seasons of 1202, 1494, and 1316 yards. All more than Najee's high @ 1200. And Najee got an extra game per season.
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Harris is one of 13 RBs in the history of the NFL to get 1000 yards in each of his first 4 seasons.
 
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