"Najee Harris ain't it". NAJEE 3.0 It's time to go, yo....

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Booo yeaa, wouldn't want to be yea.

 

[warriors42]

Booo yeaa, wouldn't want to be yea.

seriously what does this even mean. are you like twelve years old or something.. I just wanted to know because its just plain bad to interact with children over the internet.

 

[NorthernBlitz]

Obviously having done the math and then used the adjuster for comparable head sizes the ranking of the backs using RBR stats is clearly

Parker: 127.5
Harris: 88.7
Archer: 16.1

Oddly enough if you look at Davenport’s career RBR of 88.7 it makes ya go

The problem with RBR is that a back gets 10 pts for merely leaving an upper decker so on the field Najee 10pts better than Najeh, OBVIOUSLY
But in the bathroom Najeh “Dookie” Davenport reigns supreme by 10 pts

And that's just in the bathroom.

Dookie really shines when he's doing the laundry.

 

[NorthernBlitz]

So, we change up our OL by getting rid of the weak link, have a completely different QB room (again), and somehow that will translate to an apples to apples comparison? When my hole argument for Najee being in a better position with the Chargers is the fact he'll be away from a zone blocking scheme and have a threat at QB that keeps teams from being able to stack the box as consistently...how does that make any sense at all?

And for the record, even Jaylen Warren had his lowest ypa of his career last year. So it's a dumb wager...especially trying to get someone to leave, like Blitz said.

Sadly, I think Jones is the weak link on our OL.

And we're promoting him to what might be the most important non-QB position in football.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Sadly, I think Jones is the weak link on our OL.

And we're promoting him to what might be the most important non-QB position in football.

Jones looked pretty dang good when playing LT on the limited chance he had there, hopefully he builds off that.

Being forced to play on the right side while battling a right arm injury (that a less committed player may have sat out with) likely contributed to his regression last year.

In his limited time he played LT for the Steelers previously he looked better there than Moore did imo.

I have a feeling the LT position will be an upgrade from last year.

Weakest spot on the OL will continue to be the OL coach Pat Meyer

 

[Drink IRON City]

Jones looked pretty dang good when playing LT on the limited chance he had there, hopefully he builds off that.

Being forced to play on the right side while battling a right arm injury (that a less committed player may have sat out with) likely contributed to his regression last year.

In his limited time he played LT for the Steelers previously he looked better there than Moore did imo.

I have a feeling the LT position will be an upgrade from last year.

Weakest spot on the OL will continue to be the OL coach Pat Meyer

All the years I’ve coached, from day one I realized you don’t create a hole to fill a Hole.

Jones was p[layed out of position to fill RT. this created a hole at RT.

Moore played LT (weakest player X position), creating a hole at LT.

I would have had Jones (from day one) play LT, no hole created. Then put best player we had left at RT, so even if a hole, it was onay one hole.

Hope the above makes sense by my explanation of said hole.


Now for Pat Meyer, I’ve said for quite some time, that he was a waste. Never showed any promise at any NFL OL coaching job that he has had. He has done absolutely nothing his time here, and even regressed at times when needed most.

Many like to go back (hind- sight) and claim the greatness of Mike Muncheck. There was early upon him getting here that some didn’t foresee the respect he deserved. He was given a **** stained OL but also gleaned and coached up that OL to become a powerhouse type OL. It took hard work, but he knew and did the job. The COACHING UP part was a huge part of his success here, something O’l pat doesn’t seem to be able to do.

Why are the Steelers so blind in this regards on needing a higher quality OL coach? Literally higher quality all sub-coaching…………



Salute the nation

 

[Lloyd]

seriously what does this even mean. are you like twelve years old or something.. I just wanted to know because its just plain bad to interact with children over the internet.

Wicka, wicka, wicka, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk! Peace out! Feel it, do it, come correct with your bad self!

 

[NorthernBlitz]

Jones looked pretty dang good when playing LT on the limited chance he had there, hopefully he builds off that.

Being forced to play on the right side while battling a right arm injury (that a less committed player may have sat out with) likely contributed to his regression last year.

In his limited time he played LT for the Steelers previously he looked better there than Moore did imo.

I have a feeling the LT position will be an upgrade from last year.

Weakest spot on the OL will continue to be the OL coach Pat Meyer

I hope so.

It was only one play, but the cut of him pulling to the left when the play is running to his side really hurt my optimism that he's going to work out.

I'm not a huge Meyer fan and would have been OK replacing him.

But Moore played above expectations for where he was drafted. Frazier looked good last year. I thought both McCollum and McCormick were better than expected last season.

TF gets an incomplete, but reviews were high before he got hurt.

It might be that Jones is the problem...I really hope not. Because I'd prefer not to have to worry about either OT for a decade or more.

 

[NorthernBlitz]

All the years I’ve coached, from day one I realized you don’t create a hole to fill a Hole.

Jones was p[layed out of position to fill RT. this created a hole at RT.

Moore played LT (weakest player X position), creating a hole at LT.

I would have had Jones (from day one) play LT, no hole created. Then put best player we had left at RT, so even if a hole, it was onay one hole.

Hope the above makes sense by my explanation of said hole.


Now for Pat Meyer, I’ve said for quite some time, that he was a waste. Never showed any promise at any NFL OL coaching job that he has had. He has done absolutely nothing his time here, and even regressed at times when needed most.

Many like to go back (hind- sight) and claim the greatness of Mike Muncheck. There was early upon him getting here that some didn’t foresee the respect he deserved. He was given a **** stained OL but also gleaned and coached up that OL to become a powerhouse type OL. It took hard work, but he knew and did the job. The COACHING UP part was a huge part of his success here, something O’l pat doesn’t seem to be able to do.

Why are the Steelers so blind in this regards on needing a higher quality OL coach? Literally higher quality all sub-coaching…………



Salute the nation

Moore beat Jones out in camp at LT last year, right?

Jones would have started on the bench if TF didn't get hurt.

 

[Lloyd]

Weakest spot on the OL will continue to be the OL coach Pat Meyer

True that, with head cheerleader Clown-lin in charge of the futility.

 

[Lloyd]

I'm not a huge Meyer fan and would have been OK replacing him.

But Moore played above expectations for where he was drafted. Frazier looked good last year. I thought both McCollum and McCormick were better than expected last season.


At least we don't have to hear how "amazing" Moore looks compared to last year only to be yanked near the bottom of the list again like always.

 

[insaniti]

Moore beat Jones out in camp at LT last year, right?

Jones would have started on the bench if TF didn't get hurt.

No, they never had an open competition for LT because Moore couldn't play RT. Even when they drafted Jones, Moore said he started to practice RT, and they never let that play out.

 

[BLITZ]

Wicka, wicka, wicka, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk! Peace out! Feel it, do it, come correct with your bad self!

Man when you were coach, I defended your shtick for years. Thought you were good for the board.
Do better

 

[Drink IRON City]

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Moore beat Jones out in camp at LT last year, right?

Jones would have started on the bench if TF didn't get hurt.

I think you missed the point, or hole of the post.

Also, there was no open contest for LT last year. The year before, Moore was given LT because he sucked at RT, thus creating two holes.

Hole education 101, think it, breath it,…….. live it.


Salute the nation

 

[NorthernBlitz]

No, they never had an open competition for LT because Moore couldn't play RT. Even when they drafted Jones, Moore said he started to practice RT, and they never let that play out.

This is how I remember it happening 2 years ago.

But when they drafted TF, they had competitions at both OT spots. And Jones didn't look like he'd be able to win either position.

There was no need to be playing Moore (unlike the previous season). But Jones was easily the worst of the three in camp last year IIRC.

Which isn't great, because Moore is a below average starter.

Again, really hoping that the move to LT is good for Jones. But I'm pretty sure he's now played more RT in the NFL than he did LT in college. He was a raw project with great measurables. I think the ultimate result with those kind of guys are usually "bimodal"...hits that end up being above average starters or guys that flame out quickly. Fingers crossed that Jones ends up being the first.

 

[NorthernBlitz]

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I think you missed the point, or hole of the post.

Also, there was no open contest for LT last year. The year before, Moore was given LT because he sucked at RT, thus creating two holes.

Hole education 101, think it, breath it,…….. live it.


Salute the nation

I agree that was the case in Jones' rookie year.

I was talking about last offseason. When Jones was a distant 3rd of the top 3 OTs.

Hopefully that was mostly because of the injury and he ends up being a long term above-average starter at LT.

I'm generally an "I'll believe it when I see it" guy. Which is the same reason I don't think Najee can get the monster runs that separate the average guys from the elite guys.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

All the years I’ve coached, from day one I realized you don’t create a hole to fill a Hole.

Jones was p[layed out of position to fill RT. this created a hole at RT.

Moore played LT (weakest player X position), creating a hole at LT.

I would have had Jones (from day one) play LT, no hole created. Then put best player we had left at RT, so even if a hole, it was onay one hole.

Hope the above makes sense by my explanation of said hole.


Now for Pat Meyer, I’ve said for quite some time, that he was a waste. Never showed any promise at any NFL OL coaching job that he has had. He has done absolutely nothing his time here, and even regressed at times when needed most.

Many like to go back (hind- sight) and claim the greatness of Mike Muncheck. There was early upon him getting here that some didn’t foresee the respect he deserved. He was given a **** stained OL but also gleaned and coached up that OL to become a powerhouse type OL. It took hard work, but he knew and did the job. The COACHING UP part was a huge part of his success here, something O’l pat doesn’t seem to be able to do.

Why are the Steelers so blind in this regards on needing a higher quality OL coach? Literally higher quality all sub-coaching…………



Salute the nation

Other teams have better assistant OL coaches than Pat Meyer

But unfortunately other teams also have better coordinators than our HC

So the math adds up

 

[camdenryker]

Totally get where you're coming from—it’s been tough watching Najee struggle to break through. The effort’s there, but the lack of explosiveness and consistency really stands out. At some point, production has to match the hype.

 

[stillwright]

Totally get where you're coming from—it’s been tough watching Najee struggle to break through. The effort’s there, but the lack of explosiveness and consistency really stands out. At some point, production has to match the hype.

Where is this hype you referred to?

The hype of our OL?

Our offensive scheme/philosophy?

Our HC?

Or are you referring to some self imposed hype on Harris...who was running behind a lousy OL in a worse offense which is run by horrible leadership with zero direction?

Maybe you simply over hype what any RB might do here in Pittsburgh. Where they drafted a RB in round 1 and then proceeded to build the offense not to fit his style of running. Built the most conservative offense that every NFL DC knew exactly what we were doing play in and play out.

Where do you place Harris in the league....top 10? Top 20? Worse?

 

[Badcat]

Where is this hype you referred to?

The hype of our OL?

Our offensive scheme/philosophy?

Our HC?

Or are you referring to some self imposed hype on Harris...who was running behind a lousy OL in a worse offense which is run by horrible leadership with zero direction?

Maybe you simply over hype what any RB might do here in Pittsburgh. Where they drafted a RB in round 1 and then proceeded to build the offense not to fit his style of running. Built the most conservative offense that every NFL DC knew exactly what we were doing play in and play out.

Where do you place Harris in the league....top 10? Top 20? Worse?

I took his comment as being a first round talent coming out of Alabama and the early gushing from Tomlin about his "pedigree"

 

[Drink IRON City]

I took his comment as being a first round talent coming out of Alabama and the early gushing from Tomlin about his "pedigree"

There was a lot of that available at the time. That also drove up many expectations of a sure thing, worth the 1st rnd pick.

Unfortunately, Tomlin treated our 1st round pick to be a luxury pick. We had bigger needs at the time to the degree of passing on Creed Humphry twice.

We ended up with an average RB who is now gone, and Creed is entering his 5th year and also more than likely his 5th Pro Bowl as well.




Salute the nation

 

[Badcat]

There was a lot of that available at the time. That also drove up many expectations of a sure thing, worth the 1st rnd pick.

Unfortunately, Tomlin treated our 1st round pick to be a luxury pick. We had bigger needs at the time to the degree of passing on Creed Humphry twice.

We ended up with an average RB who is now gone, and Creed is entering his 5th year and also more than likely his 5th Pro Bowl as well.




Salute the nation

I believe the Steelers panicked knowing Jacksonville was going RB and Tomlin wasn't going to pass on Najee. Tombert had this thing for a number of years where they didn't spend early draft picks in the offensive trenches, and this is one of those drafts. Pouncy retires and there is Myers and Humphreys staring you in the face and you choose a TE? Even as a Penn State fan I questioned that decision and still do.

 

[bigben]

so you want to bet one year against an average of four years. Najee rushed for 4.1 ypc in 23 and 4.0 in 24. you're an apples for apples kind of guy so how about this.

Najee had one year he averaged exactly 3.9 yards a carry so we will base the bet off that year, tit for tat. one year for one year.

Najee had 307 rush attempts that year who ever starts has to have 307 or more attempts. 306 or less and you're gone no matter ypc goes to wear and tear on his body at end of year.

Najee had 74 receptions new, starter has to have 74 receptions or you're gone. again this accounts for the wear and tear on his body as the year winds down. so new starter has to touch the ball 381 times in total.

Najee had a 3.9 ypc so whoever the running back is he has to have 4.0 or more or you're gone

Najee ran behind a stacked box 17.09% of his runs in 21, if our starting running back runs behind any less than that you're gone.

I tried to look up the percentage of plays that Najee ran behind a FB nothing in stone but some est are about 8% so I'll be generous and allow 15% anymore than that and your gone as it would be an unfair advantage. {probably never happen anyway we are talking about Tomlin}

If our starter gets hurt in week 12 you're gone as he would not achieve the 307 carries needed.

This is a true apples to apples comparison.

I have been on this board from the very first day. same user name same Avatar so this is like me putting ten grand up to your hundred dollar bill, with that being said I have way more to risk so I get to pick the rules. Gone means gone, whoever loses gets till the SB after that you say your good byes congratulate the winner and then NEVER get to log back on, not with a different user name or IP address NEVER. this is the only Steeler site I have logged onto in 20+ years and will be the last I ever log on to so I feel like I am putting all my chips in the pot that's why its my rules or no bet.

I really don't want to you or 99% of this board to leave but I also don't care for someone basically calling the entire board out because they disagree with you. so if you still want to make that bet under these APPLE for APPLE conditions. I'm in.

Or we could make the bet less drastic and revisit the old days, and say the new running back has to touch the ball a minimum of 275 time and average at least 4.5 yards a carry , the loser has to switch to the winners avatar for the first eight games next year. your choice I'm good either way.

You can't bet on volume.
Efficiency per carry is apples to apples.
Step up or shut up.
Nobody cares how long you've been here.

 

[warriors42]

You can't bet on volume.
Efficiency per carry is apples to apples.
Step up or shut up.
Nobody cares how long you've been here.

your an idiot there is nothing more "apples to apples" then what I proposed. you now all things being equal you would be gone. so it looks to me and probably everyone else you don't have the balls to back up what you started. the amount of carries certainly does play into over all yards your just to **** ing stupid to comprehend that. looks to me like your full of **** and let your alligator mouth override your canary ***.

 

[speedicut]

I'm much more of a reader than poster and have gotten a great deal of value from @warriors42 not only on this board but waaaay back to the Trib board.
I'm not sure why bigben wants to denigrate his contributions.