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"Najee Harris ain't it". NAJEE 3.0 It's time to go, yo....

bigben said:
You thought Kenny Pickett was just a few reps from becoming a good QB
LOL
go away
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That's one way to admit defeat, bring up random posts from a different topic to distract from the fact that you were wrong. Dallas found out what happens when you give your third down back full time reps, Pollards ypa dropped from 5.2 to 4.0 going from Warren's role to Najee's role. And their OL is better than ours. You just can't compare two backs on the same team getting different reps. It'd be one thing if Najee had gotten hurt and Warren took over and had the ypa, but that's not what happened.

As it stands right now, Najee is the number ranked FA running back, Warren is 4th (RFA is still a FA and the FO needs to decide how to tender him).
 
insaniti said:
Fully agree, I think Ollie can be had in the third, Neal and a few other's in the fourth and fifth. As for the first round, I'm really hoping they can land one of the top DL guys. That's where we are the oldest and thinnest at depth. I've done several mocks and I've gone back to back DL before drafted a WR. But I've definitely double dipped at both of those positions. I wouldn't mind seeing the Steelers do the same
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If Skateboo was there in that 3 range I’d have to think on it depending how 1/2 went.

In the 4th I’d jump out of my chair for him…he just seems to have some of that edge our locker room needs badly.

I like Neal in the 4-5 range or maybe Etienne if we go 5th or later
 
Fiji Mariner said:
If Skateboo was there in that 3 range I’d have to think on it depending how 1/2 went.

In the 4th I’d jump out of my chair for him…he just seems to have some of that edge our locker room needs badly.

I like Neal in the 4-5 range or maybe Etienne if we go 5th or later
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I think Skateboo, as much as everyone is in love with his attitude and drive, doesn't fit. If people are complaining that Najee doesn't have breakaway speed, they'll be real disappointed in Skateboo's speed. Although it's not like we've given Najee the holes to see if he can outrun anyone either, so I would predict the same type of results with him.
 
insaniti said:
I think Skateboo, as much as everyone is in love with his attitude and drive, doesn't fit. If people are complaining that Najee doesn't have breakaway speed, they'll be real disappointed in Skateboo's speed. Although it's not like we've given Najee the holes to see if he can outrun anyone either, so I would predict the same type of results with him.
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I am not sure speed is the real issue for Najee. Vision seems like a bigger one.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
WTH kind of response was that?
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If you think about it Kenny and every other high draft pick is always a wait and see. Even if they are shoved out the door it is a wait and see. Too many people premature players evals like they have some magical crystal ball. Sure sometimes we are wrong and right about a prospect it happens. Despite their claims there isn’t a draftnick that pegs draft after draft player after player. Too much that each individual doesn’t get to see, or hear etc.

And the ones who constantly braggart ? are wrong more than they are right.

I remember the time cooch film studied and his study mirrored his pre -film assessment.

Claypool is a great example that guy looked like a ten year stud. Still to this day thinking back I am like wow. Can’t judge heart and want to, sometimes it is just bad luck with injuries.

Or the opposite mediocre talent with a extremely high want to and work ethic.

It is a fun process for many of us but we aren’t the experts it would behoove a few to try to remember that.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
I am not sure speed is the real issue for Najee. Vision seems like a bigger one.
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Blocking in front of him didn't help him. Play calling wass an issue. Our QBs not audibling out of stacked boxes to a pass because it was forbidden hurt also. A few other issues to throw in.
 
stillwright said:
Blocking in front of him didn't help him. Play calling wass an issue. Our QBs not audibling out of stacked boxes to a pass because it was forbidden hurt also. A few other issues to throw in.
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Totally agree but despite all of that at least once or twice a game would be screaming at him for missing an easy cut to an open hole. I like Najee and would keep him for the right price but he isn’t perfect either.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Totally agree but despite all of that at least once or twice a game would be screaming at him for missing an easy cut to an open hole. I like Najee and would keep him for the right price but he isn’t perfect either.
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Najee's biggest flaw is his draft position. I love me some Najee, runs hard, good teammate, speaks the truth. Had he been a 2nd or 3rd, prob wouldn't catch the hate he does.
 
insaniti said:
Najee's biggest flaw is his draft position. I love me some Najee, runs hard, good teammate, speaks the truth. Had he been a 2nd or 3rd, prob wouldn't catch the hate he does.
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I don’t dislike Najee whatsoever. I just prefer a more explosive starter.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
You can't truly compare their production. They are mostly used in different situations; Najee is used more when the other team know we may run, and we are far more predictable. Warren is used on third down and we are far more likely to pass, freeing up running lanes for him. It is totally disingenuous to compare their YPA unless they have similar usage and situational football.
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Not completely accurate. Frequently Warren starts drives where it becomes apples to apples. The Steelers also see apples to apples every day. So if they choose to sign Warren that is also their opinion rightly or wrongly.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
Not completely accurate. Frequently Warren starts drives where it becomes apples to apples. The Steelers also see apples to apples every day. So if they choose to sign Warren that is also their opinion rightly or wrongly.
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I wasn't saying he is or isn't better, just that looking at YPA is disingenuous to a guy who is used more fluidly. Najee is a fine pass catcher but after his rookie year they seemed to mostly abandon that and use him as a sledgehammer. Warren was used far more surgically even when not simply a third down back. Play calling was far better for Warrens production as used than for Najee making the defense guess a lot more and not simply key on him every play.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
If we are going to run Smith's offense with more zone read we need the explosiveness.
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You are making a lot of sense today. Now if I can make a few dollars.

😃
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
I wasn't saying he is or isn't better, just that looking at YPA is disingenuous to a guy who is used more fluidly. Najee is a fine pass catcher but after his rookie year they seemed to mostly abandon that and use him as a sledgehammer. Warren was used far more surgically even when not simply a third down back. Play calling was far better for Warrens production as used than for Najee making the defense guess a lot more and not simply key on him every play.
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I'd say that is more accurate and fair analysis. I don't think he is going to be with the team anymore and frankly I don't think he wants to be. I don't think you can go Warren and a scrub. But I do think you can go Warren and a third and you won't lose a ton of production.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
I'd say that is more accurate and fair analysis. I don't think he is going to be with the team anymore and frankly I don't think he wants to be. I don't think you can go Warren and a scrub. But I do think you can go Warren and a third and you won't lose a ton of production.
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Apparently, nobody was happy with the production we got the last four years.....don't you want more production?
 
SteelerSask2 said:
I don't think you can necessarily expect more production. I just don't think they are willing to pay double for what they got.
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So you are saying they moved on from Harris because of $$$$$. Sorry......$6.7 mill is peanuts for a player who was the focus of their offense. Especially when Cam will be making $15 mill next year. Fitzpatrick $$$.....Highsmith$$$..etc......but they drew the line at $3 to $ 4 mill on a RB that was focus of their offense. Who had a 1000 yards for 4 straight seasons. That is laughable. ****....what are they paying Patterson? $6 mill over 2 seasons. Why not cut his *** and keep Harris? Not buying the money angle.
 
stillwright said:
So you are saying they moved on from Harris because of $$$$$. Sorry......$6.7 mill is peanuts for a player who was the focus of their offense. Especially when Cam will be making $15 mill next year. Fitzpatrick $$$.....Highsmith$$$..etc......but they drew the line at $3 to $ 4 mill on a RB that was focus of their offense. Who had a 1000 yards for 4 straight seasons. That is laughable. ****....what are they paying Patterson? $6 mill over 2 seasons. Why not cut his *** and keep Harris? Not buying the money angle.
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No it's money for performance. The 1000 yard thing keeps coming up. You are paying for yards and td. He doesn't consistently give you enough. And they really aren't interested I don't think. No way they don't give him the option year if they wanted him. Plus like J said I don't think he is particularly keen to be in Pittsburgh.
 
Badcat said:
What happened to you? In the last year, you've been bringing race into conversations where it doesn't belong and you're getting into pissing matches and insulting well respected and even keel posters. This isn't the version of Fordy I've had a lot of fun with over the last two decades.
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Well, after having the most ignorant person on the planet on ignore for two years I unignored her and realized she had been on a one way RANT for two years replying to every ******* post or comment I made like a prepubescent child. And in those two years not ONE person called her out. Not one person said stfu you ignorant ****. I mean is she special ******* needs or something? Is there a reason you people let her rant on and ******* on without making one ******* correct point? I mean it’s really a mathematical conundrum how one person can literally be wrong about everything. I ******* mean everything. Kenny Pickett, Mason Rudolph, hell even Mike Williams. The **** she spewed when I said the over under on his production with the Steelers was 150 yards. And where is she now? God ******* forbid she admit that she’s wrong. That would be just too ******* hard to admit that you are wrong. I ******* do it all the time. It’s really not that hard for people who aren’t mentally retarded. No one is infallible.

And if you have a problem with it then maybe start WITH THE FLAMING PIECE OF **** who started it. **** look at this thread. Who started this? Maybe start there if you really want change. Until then the second she runs her mouth I’m calling her out on her moronic bullshit. Or until this board has a block feature.
 
blah blah. idc.

Cooch is the problem with this forum.

Remember what we had before we had Bell? yeah no matter the O line.. Our run game sucked. Not Much better with Najee.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
No it's money for performance. The 1000 yard thing keeps coming up. You are paying for yards and td. He doesn't consistently give you enough. And they really aren't interested I don't think. No way they don't give him the option year if they wanted him. Plus like J said I don't think he is particularly keen to be in Pittsburgh.
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What did we get for Pattersons $3 mill ......production wise?

Patterson.
$3 mill....132 yards


Harris
(Rookie deal)4 yrs for $13 mill...avg $3.25 mill......4312 yards(1043 last season)



Picking up the option has nothing to do with Harris wanting to be here. Steelers held that control. And since they didn't pick it up they obviously don't want him here.

I just don't see the reason they moved on from him as a $$$$$ reason.
 
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