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"Najee Harris ain't it". NAJEE 3.0 It's time to go, yo....

bigben said:
You can't bet on volume.
Efficiency per carry is apples to apples.
Step up or shut up.
Nobody cares how long you’ve been here.
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I care, but then that would be beyond your comprehension of valuing character.

Step up and defend your character by taking the proposed Apple to Apple bet.

You don’t have nearly as much to lose, due to the value you put on loyalty.

Warriors is putting up 10 X the value and yet is fearless in doing so.

It’s spelled out pretty spot on and in an apple to apple comparison, not the skewed bet you proposed.



Salute the nation
 
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BLITZ said:
Bigben what exactly is the bet you want?
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he wants a bet that if our new starting RB carries the ball 125 times and gains 4.0 per carry he wins. he does not understand how football actually works. Najee touched the ball a combined 381 times in his ROOKIE year and averaged 3.9 yards a carry, he doesn't seem to understand what happens to your endurance especially in your rookie year when you are pounded on that many plays.

This entire thread was about Najee's 3.9 ypc average now he has some freaking stupid stat he wants to bet on. I put what I was willing to bet on out there he can take it or leave it I don't much care, and if he had actually read my entire post I even gave him a way to save face and possibly win, but he has shown his true colors so whatever I'll bow out and he can thump his chest and claim victory.

Maybe he will learn from this a be a more humble poster but I doubt it.
 
speedicut said:
I'm much more of a reader than poster and have gotten a great deal of value from @warriors42 not only on this board but waaaay back to the Trib board.
I'm not sure why bigben wants to denigrate his contributions.
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Thanks Speedicut. man that was a long time ago. just glad there is a few of us still around.
 
warriors42 said:
Thanks Speedicut. man that was a long time ago. just glad there is a few of us still around.
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After it's demise I lurked in different forums but never actually joined any.
When I came across this one I recognized many names including yours and @Drink IRON City .
I then knew I was in the right place :)
 
warriors42 said:
he wants a bet that if our new starting RB carries the ball 125 times and gains 4.0 per carry he wins. he does not understand how football actually works. Najee touched the ball a combined 381 times in his ROOKIE year and averaged 3.9 yards a carry, he doesn't seem to understand what happens to your endurance especially in your rookie year when you are pounded on that many plays.

This entire thread was about Najee's 3.9 ypc average now he has some freaking stupid stat he wants to bet on. I put what I was willing to bet on out there he can take it or leave it I don't much care, and if he had actually read my entire post I even gave him a way to save face and possibly win, but he has shown his true colors so whatever I'll bow out and he can thump his chest and claim victory.

Maybe he will learn from this a be a more humble poster but I doubt it.
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Yours is more than fair.
I might take a version of his bet for a month off to the loser.
After this season if it goes the way I think it is going to go, this board will be unbearable for a bit anyway
 
speedicut said:
After it's demise I lurked in different forums but never actually joined any.
When I came across this one I recognized many names including yours and @Drink IRON City .
I then knew I was in the right place :)
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Jim Wexell (I think he was Post Gazette) and I got into it on one of his live chat sessions. We got into a great discussion about Bill Cowher and coaching staff being able to coach up players. Many just thought Cowher had a great talent evaluation knack, but it was his Sub-coaches that got the most out of them.

Oh those were the days. I only bring that up because it was way back in that era of time frame you refer to. I’ve been here for as long as I can remember, sometimes avid poster & fighter, sometimes just a voyeur.



Salute the nation
 
Drink IRON City said:
All the years I’ve coached, from day one I realized you don’t create a hole to fill a Hole.

Jones was p[layed out of position to fill RT. this created a hole at RT.

Moore played LT (weakest player X position), creating a hole at LT.

I would have had Jones (from day one) play LT, no hole created. Then put best player we had left at RT, so even if a hole, it was onay one hole.

Hope the above makes sense by my explanation of said hole.


Now for Pat Meyer, I’ve said for quite some time, that he was a waste. Never showed any promise at any NFL OL coaching job that he has had. He has done absolutely nothing his time here, and even regressed at times when needed most.

Many like to go back (hind- sight) and claim the greatness of Mike Muncheck. There was early upon him getting here that some didn’t foresee the respect he deserved. He was given a **** stained OL but also gleaned and coached up that OL to become a powerhouse type OL. It took hard work, but he knew and did the job. The COACHING UP part was a huge part of his success here, something O’l pat doesn’t seem to be able to do.

Why are the Steelers so blind in this regards on needing a higher quality OL coach? Literally higher quality all sub-coaching…………



Salute the nation
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THERE'S A HOOOOOOOLE, THERE'S A HOLE!

THERE'S A HOLE IN THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA!!
 
Badcat said:
I took his comment as being a first round talent coming out of Alabama and the early gushing from Tomlin about his "pedigree"
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That could very well be.
I took as more as some people’s perception that he’s still a great running back.
 
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I’ll bet that it will be interesting to see what Najee does with the trifecta he’s never benefited from:

1) A solid QB that can threaten with deep passing
2) A solid OL
3) A competent game plan put together by coaches that understand Xs and Os

I’ll bet all 3 of these elements could aid in a RBs effectiveness

I’ll also bet that bacon sandwich I smell cooking is about to disappear

I may just parlay those bets for the big win!!!
 
Fiji Mariner said:
I’ll bet that it will be interesting to see what Najee does with the trifecta he’s never benefited from:

1) A solid QB that can threaten with deep passing
2) A solid OL
3) A competent game plan put together by coaches that understand Xs and Os

I’ll bet all 3 of these elements could aid in a RBs effectiveness

I’ll also bet that bacon sandwich I smell cooking is about to disappear

I may just parlay those bets for the big win!!!
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Could?
They do!
And they will when Najee carries the pigskin in LA!
We shall see.
 
Omar10213245 said:
THERE'S A HOOOOOOOLE, THERE'S A HOLE!

THERE'S A HOLE IN THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA!!
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All this fuss about A-hole………….


Salute the nation
 
WindyCitySteel said:
Don’t get the Najee hate, glad they didn’t pay him but it’s not his fault they drafted him before the OL was rebuilt and with an uncertain QB situation. He ran hard for four years, the Steelers just committed an unforgivable team building sin. That’s like building a house and sending the painters over during framing.

To follow that pick up with Kenny the next year just shows a fundamental lack of football smarts in the front office, including HC.
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They haven't had a legit OL since Munch was here.
 
For grins I was curious what AI had to say about Warren vs Najee.
Reading between the lines, maybe Jalen was being run outside more, which could mean Najee was sent between the tackles more often?
What do yinz think, because I haven’t been paying attention to that detail, but I tend to believe that Najee indeed ran up the middle more by design.

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In some games, especially against the Ravens, Jaylen Warren outplayed and out-snapped Najee Harris, leading to questions about their playing time split and the Steelers' future approach to the running game. While Harris has a strong record of 1,000-yard rushing seasons, Warren has shown flashes of being a more effective player, particularly outside the tackles.
Yes, Jaylen Warren has been shown to be more successful on outside zone runs than Najee Harris, particularly under coach Arthur Smith's scheme. In a study, Warren's yards per carry on outside zone runs were higher than Harris'.
 
WindyCitySteel said:
Don’t get the Najee hate, glad they didn’t pay him but it’s not his fault they drafted him before the OL was rebuilt and with an uncertain QB situation. He ran hard for four years, the Steelers just committed an unforgivable team building sin. That’s like building a house and sending the painters over during framing.

To follow that pick up with Kenny the next year just shows a fundamental lack of football smarts in the front office, including HC.
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Well if you read the entire thread…no vision, no speed, no burst.
I’ve never been entirely convinced of that, and like you tend to place more of the blame on the O line.

Felt the same way about Rudolph being “hated” when we let him go, although under a different circumstance… playing sporadically, not playing enough consecutive games to develop a rhythm with the offense.

What that tells me is that it’s an organizational failure more than the failure of the player.

BUT, having said all that, it still has yet to be determined depending on what Najee does on a good team, because we indeed let players like Kendrick Green and Devin Bush go who were clearly bums.
The failure of the organization was drafting them in the first place.
 
Hypocycloids said:
Well if you read the entire thread…no vision, no speed, no burst.
I’ve never been entirely convinced of that, and like you tend to place more of the blame on the O line.

Felt the same way about Rudolph being “hated” when we let him go, although under a different circumstance… playing sporadically, not playing enough consecutive games to develop a rhythm with the offense.

What that tells me is that it’s an organizational failure more than the failure of the player.

BUT, having said all that, it still has yet to be determined depending on what Najee does on a good team, because we indeed let players like Kendrick Green and Devin Bush go who were clearly bums.
The failure of the organization was drafting them in the first place.
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Your last line says a lot but add to it by the length of time it took to let them go.


Salute the nation
 
Hypocycloids said:
Well if you read the entire thread…no vision, no speed, no burst.
I’ve never been entirely convinced of that, and like you tend to place more of the blame on the O line.

Felt the same way about Rudolph being “hated” when we let him go, although under a different circumstance… playing sporadically, not playing enough consecutive games to develop a rhythm with the offense.

What that tells me is that it’s an organizational failure more than the failure of the player.

BUT, having said all that, it still has yet to be determined depending on what Najee does on a good team, because we indeed let players like Kendrick Green and Devin Bush go who were clearly bums.
The failure of the organization was drafting them in the first place.
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FWIW, I don't hate Najee.

I think he's a good back. And seems to be a good human too.

But in the modern NFL, it's pretty easy to replace good backs on cheap rookie deals. So you should really only give good 2nd contracts to backs that a great.
 
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