Net neutrality gone in the bat of an eye

[SteelerInLebanon]

I get your drift tape and you make some good points. I'm all for a free market and competition, it generally helps improve services across the board.

The problem here, in a narrower sense, seems to be that the 'market' now will have control over the levers of internet content, in this case how they see fit to dole out bandwith on whatever websites and streaming services that are out there. This significantly narrows the playing field. It provides a huge advantage to big money sites over startups or non-commercial content on the net. The big ISP providers will first and foremost give preference to what's popular on the net hence more advertising dollars and profits. Good on them.

Take your water metaphor, that you'd want to control how much water flows to which part of your home. Problem is, it's not you that's deciding where the water flows, but in this case would be the water company. They choose to pipe in 5x the water you need in the washroom, but your shower is at a trickle. Same thing with your router analogy, in which case the consumer can adjust bandwith 'priorities' on their incoming net. Again, removing net neutrality doesn't give you these choices, but to the ISP providers.

It's like having control of the soda fountain at a fast food chain. You get a kickback from the Pepsi guy so you pipe through watered-down Coca Cola in the machines. Or say it's out of service. Then proclaim 'See, the customers prefer Pepsi over Coke, the numbers prove it.'

It is boosting the notion of groupthink, and at once narrowing content on the net. We're putting mega corporations and advertising companies in charge of not only what they're gonna pipe through but how they're going to deliver that content. Which video you can stream and which is broken or lagging. In my view net neutrality wasn't some liberal/ Obama overreach or achievement that serves the government, or really anybody. It was an attempt to create a sort of Constitution for the net, if you will, with inalienable rights to keep fundamental aspects of the net free and unfettered.

The basic idea of it doesn't sit well with me, sorry.

Was this a significant problem before this rule went into effect? No there were some minor issues but I say that competition would have fixed it.

 

[Troglodyte]

This will also open up more options for consumers. Get the speeds you actually want and need. Many people with light internet usage are paying for way more bandwidth than they need.

So the same companies that force consumers to purchase packages they don’t want just so they have access to the things they do want, are going to start doing them a favor? Color me skeptical.

I have a land line in my house I never bother to use, when it rings, I don’t answer it, but it’s part of the package.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

The simplest thing to do is just see who cries the most. If Liberals are squawking it means they want to take things away from real Americans


Net Neutrality = Marxist Internet = government control of the internet.

When has the government ever taken over anything and made it better?

 

[ark steel]

When has the government ever taken over anything and made it better?

Providing affordable health insurance, DUH.

 

[Confluence]

Tibs= wrong, again

Evermore bitter


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[Tibs]

Tibs= wrong, again Evermore bitter

Confluence, you used to be a relatively useful poster around here, chiming in with something to add to the conversation. What happened? Maple syrup enemas seeped to your brain? That's too bad. Hope you find a way to fight through it. The first step is always the hardest. Figuring out you have a problem. Good luck with that and all the best to you up north, in hinterland.

 

[Tibs]

Was this a significant problem before this rule went into effect? No there were some minor issues but I say that competition would have fixed it.

Sounds like you're onboard with breaking down the current set of standards of how the internet functions. I admire your level of confidence on this. Let's hope it all works out.

 

[Stewey]

If Net Neutrality was an Obama regime doing, and if California is filing a lawsuit against the ruling, and if Tibs and other libtards are squawking over the ruling, then all the criteria has been met.

Net Neutrality sucks.

 

[Tibs]

It's part of the left's socialism movement.

Well comrade Obama did it,so I figure it's ****. The democrats are crying and the Hungarians too...

...obviously tainted by socialist rhetoric....the fact that the Left is freaking out about it tells me a lot.

Muh legacy! When liberals write a law, the law never means what the name implies.

If Liberals are squawking it means they want to take things away from real Americans... Net Neutrality = Marxist Internet = government control of the internet.

Tibs= wrong, again Evermore bitter

If Net Neutrality was an Obama regime doing, and if California is filing a lawsuit against the ruling, and if Tibs and other libtards are squawking over the ruling, then all the criteria has been met. Net Neutrality sucks.

Alas, let your true colors shine. The board's extremist right-wing faction chimes in, on the relatively innocuous issue of internet neutrality.

Why go to the zoo? You can see real live ****-slinging monkeys right here at SN. Justin should list this as a highlight of membership on the board. Maybe more Steelers fans would sign up, to see the extraordinary collection of Trump/Breitbart/Bannon protegees here on the board. Why hide it? Flaunt it!

While I admit to knowing absolutly nothing about the subject

This sums up fairly well the MO of the right-wing on this board. At least you're earnest about it SteelChip, kudos to you.

 

[Supersteeler]

Tibs you used to be such a normal poster in the political section too. Those days are long gone. You are so far down the road from where you used to be it's astounding really. That door certainly swings both ways.

 

[Confluence]

Tibs,
Blowing goats would probably be a better use of your time than the **** you post here.


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[Tibs]

Tibs, Blowing goats would probably be a better use of your time than the **** you post here.

Tibs you used to be such a normal poster in the political section too. Those days are long gone. You are so far down the road from where you used to be it's astounding really. That door certainly swings both ways.

Awesome, I'm on the right path, thanks for confirming that. Do you even read what's written on this board? Horse-blinders must be selling off the shelves where you guys live.

 

[Supersteeler]

Awesome, I'm on the right path, thanks for confirming that. Do you even read what's written on this board? Horse-blinders must be selling off the shelves where you guys live.

At some point you went completely off the rails. I'm not sure when it happened but it has certainly gotten worse since Trump got elected. And I don't think it's just you that the election is driving over the edge. I think other regular Liberals and media Liberals probably go around sounding just as kooky as you do since the election. .

 

[Stewey]

Tibs you used to be such a normal poster in the political section too. Those days are long gone. You are so far down the road from where you used to be it's astounding really. That door certainly swings both ways.

He still hasn't come to terms with the fact that Trump is president. Its glaring.

 

[Tibs]

At some point you went completely off the rails. I'm not sure when it happened but it has certainly gotten worse since Trump got elected. And I don't think it's just you that the election is driving over the edge. I think other regular Liberals and media Liberals probably go around sounding just as kooky as you do since the election. .

I don't know what to say. You've become so numb to the dumbed down rhetoric on this board that you've interchanged magnetic north with south. Terms like socialism and libtards are so commonplace here you probably don't even know what they mean. The board's been taken over by posters who spew far-right bullshit 24-7 so it's become the norm. That's what's changed since Trump's become president. All sense of normalcy and rational thought have been thrown out the window. Think hard and long before you start throwing stones. This board is a tiny, tiny sliver of what's happening in the country. Don't fall down that trapdoor Supersteeler. For others, it's a lost proposition, but you've always seemed to be a rational guy.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

So the same companies that force consumers to purchase packages they don’t want just so they have access to the things they do want, are going to start doing them a favor? Color me skeptical.

I have a land line in my house I never bother to use, when it rings, I don’t answer it, but it’s part of the package.

Why are they able to do that? Because you likely only have 1 other option for TV and internet. Where i live, for TV, i can choose between comcast or satellite (DirecTv or Dish). For high speed internet, I think my only choices are Comcast or Verizon and Verizon is only DSL so not that fast. For high bandwidth, Comcast is my only choice.

Open it up for competition and prices will come down.

TV as we know it is almost dead. We are already seeing that younger people would rather stream everything. Cord cutting will only get more popular and as it does, it will just be all internet.

Make no mistake, this is part of why liberals want net neutrality as well. They want CNN spewing a far left agenda even if nobody is watching. In the current model, CNN can still make money because they get paid whether you watch or not. If they are on your channel list, you are giving them money.

WHat happens when the model switches to streaming and cord cutters subscribing directly with a channel and then just doing pay as you go for other things. Now all of a sudden CNN must care that people watch.

To liberals this is a nightmare scenario because they hate the general public. They don't like people deciding for themselves. They might pick the "wrong" thing.

I think the opposite. Look at all the quality shows and movies that Netflix is now churning out and Amazon is trying to catch up. CBS has their own streaming network with shows that are only available online.

This direct choice is great. Right now, network TV is only concerned with which "demo" is watching. If a show is not popular with 18 to whatever, they cancel it. A good example is a show called Longmire which used to be on A&E. It was their highest rated show and they cancelled it because the audience was older. Netflix picked it up and produced several new seasons.

I will always trust the markets over a small group of decision makers.

 

[thesteelcity]

Anything Trump crumples up that had Obama linked to it irks AnitFa. It burns them up at night. Good or bad, it drives them bananas that he is erasing his legacy. It's like free entertainment everyday to watch them lose their **** over the smallest thing. You are wound so tight, your ******** could whistle "I'm a Little Teapot".

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I get your drift tape and you make some good points. I'm all for a free market and competition, it generally helps improve services across the board.

The problem here, in a narrower sense, seems to be that the 'market' now will have control over the levers of internet content, in this case how they see fit to dole out bandwith on whatever websites and streaming services that are out there. This significantly narrows the playing field. It provides a huge advantage to big money sites over startups or non-commercial content on the net. The big ISP providers will first and foremost give preference to what's popular on the net hence more advertising dollars and profits. Good on them.

Take your water metaphor, that you'd want to control how much water flows to which part of your home. Problem is, it's not you that's deciding where the water flows, but in this case would be the water company. They choose to pipe in 5x the water you need in the washroom, but your shower is at a trickle. Same thing with your router analogy, in which case the consumer can adjust bandwith 'priorities' on their incoming net. Again, removing net neutrality doesn't give you these choices, but to the ISP providers.

It's like having control of the soda fountain at a fast food chain. You get a kickback from the Pepsi guy so you pipe through watered-down Coca Cola in the machines. Or say it's out of service. Then proclaim 'See, customers prefer Pepsi over Coke, the numbers prove it.'

It is boosting the notion of groupthink, and at once narrowing content on the net. We're putting mega corporations and advertising companies in charge of not only what they're gonna pipe through but how they're going to deliver that content. Which video you can stream and which is broken or lagging. In my view net neutrality wasn't some liberal/ Obama overreach or achievement that serves the government, or really anybody. It was an attempt to create a sort of Constitution for the net, if you will, with inalienable rights to keep fundamental aspects of the net free and unfettered.

The basic idea of it doesn't sit well with me, sorry.

I really don't see how content would narrow. Net Neutrality only existed for 2 years. It's not as if 5 years ago there was no content on the net.

Take Steeler Nation as an example. This website doesn't need a bunch of bandwidth to run properly on each user's computer or tablet or whatever. A few pictures and mostly text. Why should a website like this one be given the same bandwidth as a video site like netflix?

Would this website go under if it took most users 5 seconds to load a page instead of say 2 seconds?

Your concerns of censorship are far more likely to happen under a government controlled internet than under an internet open to competition. If an ISP was throttling popular websites to a point they weren't usable, they'd start to lose business.

Did you know cell phone technology has been around since the 60s (i believe)? It was never really developed because government set up Bell pretty much as a monopoly so why should they have changed anything from the 1920s. As competition expanded, so did the innovation.

Let there be 5 ISPs in my area instead of 2 and i bet i'll get much better service.

 

[Stewey]

Alas, let your true colors shine. The board's extremist right-wing faction chimes in, on the relatively innocuous issue of internet neutrality.

Why go to the zoo? You can see real live ****-slinging monkeys right here at SN. Justin should list this as a highlight of membership on the board. Maybe more Steelers fans would sign up, to see the extraordinary collection of Trump/Breitbart/Bannon protegees here on the board. Why hide it? Flaunt it!


This sums up fairly well the MO of the right-wing on this board. At least you're earnest about it SteelChip, kudos to you.

You are clearly disturbed. Why do you even come here and put yourself through so much misery? You actually believe from atop your perch of liberal superiority that you can persuade the good folks here to conform to your deranged views?

...and putting your nose up SteelChips *** isn't gonna help you either.

 

[MTC]

Anything Trump crumples up that had Obama linked to it irks AnitFa. It burns them up at night. Good or bad, it drives them bananas that he is erasing his legacy. It's like free entertainment everyday to watch them lose their **** over the smallest thing. You are wound so tight, your ******** could whistle "I'm a Little Teapot".

Short and spout lol

 

[str8liner]

Short and spout lol

Here is the liberatard, listen to him pout.....

Ahahaha

 

[MT~Forged]

Competition is bad for companies that currently hold the market share. These companies back Democrats who are more than willing to put rules in place that protect their businesses under the guise of helping people.

 

[Spike]

If Net Neutrality was an Obama regime doing, and if California is filing a lawsuit against the ruling, and if Tibs and other libtards are squawking over the ruling, then all the criteria has been met.

Net Neutrality sucks.

Amen

 

[Iron95]

It is actually very simple, Just ask yourself two questions:
Has Obama ever done anything FOR the American people?
And. Why would this be any different?

Before this bullshit came about, ATT had a bunch of different pay plans. The faster you want, the more you pay. We didn't have the slowest but we did have one of the lesser plans. We where very happy with what we had. We even played Lineage which is a on line game with no lag. Now we pay out the *** for **** that we don't need all because of Obama!

 

[SteelChip]

And to further confuse you...