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[topseed]

Tomlin is coach because he's a damn good coach. And this team was never going to win anything till 7 retired. 7 had way too many flaws in his game to defeat better secondaries and it showed itself over and over . 7 was just there to keep ***** in seats. Anyone who knows knew we were not winning s**t with him at QB after 2010. He was fun to watch and he kept the profits rolling in...it's a business.

They will now that Ben has retired. Expect a Lombardi in a few years.

Holy sh*t. All along, it was Ben who held Tomlin back? And "anyone who knows" knew that the Steelers weren't going to win sh*t with Ben at QB in the prime of his career?

Wow. I've read some nonsensical opinions on this board over the years, but this one just might take the f*cking cake.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Of course it's all the way...because you are determined to make a fool of yourself. Mission accomplished.

You set up a strawman and try to verbalize it in a sarcastic mode when all you are really doing is making my point for me. Look at your own words in red.. That is EXACTLY the situation that exists in the NFL today with coaching, and the situation that existed in Pollard's time with players. Many African-American players WERE/ ARE better at their jobs. And because of the institutional racism of the NFL not ONE was allowed to play. All that mattered in that time WAS your race: if you were white you could play, if not you couldn't.

Since then it's been the "Good ol boy" network in coaching. African-American coaches who are good to great at their jobs are passed over for mediocre to sub standard white men. Retreads........

And it's not just the NFL, it's across American society. So yeah, quotas ARE the way you rectify those types of situations when the institution in question has had decades to be equitable in its hiring practices...(100 years worth for the NFL) and yet the same situation continues.

I get it..it's blatantly obvious you are one of those Fox News/ OANN types that just regurgitates racist right wing nonsense. And of course because you are, that makes you inherently WRONG on most subjects that matter.

Retreads is not a white coach thing. Black coaches are retread as well.

BTW, quotas violate the civil rights act. Affirmative action is not exactly a quota so it's a gray area. But a quota, an actual mandate that X number must be hired based on race is illegal. In the case of the NFL they are safe because nobody will ever challenge it.

You should keep missing the point of Ron's posts and insulting him personally. It's effective in convincing others.

 

[SojournerSteel]

Of the 3 playoff games he's won in the last 11 years, 2 were against backup QB's and the other the Bungles self-destructed in the last 4 minutes and handed us on a silver platter. Maybe we lost some playoff games because this guy or that guy was out hurt but maybe the Steeler don't win those 2 games if we're playing against the Dolphins and Chiefs starting QB's. That injury sword cuts both ways.

It's amazing how the narrative in some quarters is now that Ben held Tomlin back for the past decade. The same people blame Ben for the defense getting 40 dropped on them in historic home playoff losses and DBs playing 12 yards off the ball in Foxboro in known suicide pact.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

It's amazing how the narrative in some quarters is now that Ben held Tomlin back for the past decade. The same people blame Ben for the defense getting 40 dropped on them in historic home playoff losses and DBs playing 12 yards off the ball in Foxboro in known suicide pact.

It's especially bad in the FB group. Most of those folks are the same ones who simply won't be happy until the team has a black QB.
Team would be in the SB for sure if only they'd put in 1) Haskins, 2) Dobbs, or 3) sign Kaepernick.

 

[Confluence]

It's especially bad in the FB group. Most of those folks are the same ones who simply won't be happy until the team has a black QB.
Team would be in the SB for sure if only they'd put in 1) Haskins, 2) Dobbs, or 3) sign Kaepernick.

Weird, out of that group, that Tomlin chose Ben as QB1 and Rudy as QB2 last year. I would love to see either Trubiscuit or Haskins play this year at the level of their lofty draft potential, but it seems clear that both have had their original gigs, and at least another year elsewhere without that elevation in success. Perhaps that will come this year, for the Steelers.

 

[SojournerSteel]

It's especially bad in the FB group. Most of those folks are the same ones who simply won't be happy until the team has a black QB.
Team would be in the SB for sure if only they'd put in 1) Haskins, 2) Dobbs, or 3) sign Kaepernick.

There is a lot of emotional and social capital invested in Tomlin's success and the last decade has not been kind to The Standard. Too easy to blame the QB.

The absolute best thing that ever happened to Tomlin to date was Ben getting hurt in 2019 and also coming back last year. Tomlin was also on the ropes for the AB fiasco when he left and the culture in question. Suddenly the narrative somehow shifted from "Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games in X years" to "Tomlin has been the only thing holding this mess together."

He's been on the ropes sucking air throwing nothing in return and out on his feet at various points the last 5-6 years otherwise.

It's amazing.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Weird, out of that group, that Tomlin chose Ben as QB1 and Rudy as QB2 last year. I would love to see either Trubiscuit or Haskins play this year at the level of their lofty draft potential, but it seems clear that both have had their original gigs, and at least another year elsewhere without that elevation in success. Perhaps that will come this year, for the Steelers.

I've said before that until they fix the OL, which will be more than a one-year project, it doesn't matter a heck of a lot who the QB is.
Doesn't matter what color he is, the next Steelers QB will be a running QB whether he wants to or not.

 

[slashsteel]

I think they took steps to improve the Oline. I still think there is some work to do but I think it will be better. Seems like they are angling toward a Tannehill kind of scheme.... Run and play action.... Play sound defense .

 

[Gildong Sack]

Holy sh*t. All along, it was Ben who held Tomlin back? And "anyone who knows" knew that the Steelers weren't going to win sh*t with Ben at QB in the prime of his career?

Wow. I've read some nonsensical opinions on this board over the years, but this one just might take the f*cking cake.

I never said Ben held Tomlin back. I said Ben had too many flaws in his game. Cowher could have kept coaching we still weren't winning anything. Speaking of which Ben was very much like Cowher in that he feasted on crappy teams(especially in the North) to pad his stats, and in playoff crunch time he s**t the bed over and over. Those are the facts. No matter how hard you hug his nuts those facts are not going away.

 

[SCSteeler4life]

3 straight playoff games giving up 40 points. How many tackles did Ben miss? We scored 21, 37 and 42 points. Not sure you can pin this on Ben , but nice try.

29-44 215yds 2 tds 0 int
47-68 501yds 4tds 4 int
37-58 469yds 5 tds 1 int

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I never said Ben held Tomlin back. I said Ben had too many flaws in his game. Cowher could have kept coaching we still weren't winning anything. Speaking of which Ben was very much like Tomlin in that he feasted on crappy teams(especially in the North) to pad his stats, and in playoff crunch time he s**t the bed over and over. Those are the facts. No matter how hard you hug his nuts those facts are not going away.

FIFY.

 

[Gildong Sack]

3 straight playoff games giving up 40 points. How many tackles did Ben miss? We scored 21, 37 and 42 points. Not sure you can pin this on Ben , but nice try.

29-44 215yds 2 tds 0 int
47-68 501yds 4tds 4 int
37-58 469yds 5 tds 1 int

Not a nice try...remember my words...."those are the facts?"

This is Ben's playoff contribution up to 2020:

In 8 playoff losses up to that point Ben averaged 321.4 yards with a run game that contributed an average of 97.3 yards per game.

In 13 playoff victories up to that point Ben averaged 206.5 yards with a run game that contributed 134.5 yards per game

So don't rely on him in the playoffs and you are fine...put the ball in his hands and the bed s***ing commences.

Tom Brady he never was....he was a bigger dumber Fran Tarkenton. And like Tarkenton fun to watch and that's about it. Sure, great throw in SB 43 against a pathetic 9-7 Cards team that he coudn't dominate...thank you James Harrison. Don't even get me started on SB 40 and that mid 20s QBR....LOL.

Case closed.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

cant wait till this season,, we are at least going to AFC championship. ******* ******* Ben is gone. Tomlin finally broke free..

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Not a nice try...remember my words...."those are the facts?"

This is Ben's playoff contribution up to 2020:

In 8 playoff losses up to that point Ben averaged 321.4 yards with a run game that contributed an average of 97.3 yards per game.

In 13 playoff victories up to that point Ben averaged 206.5 yards with a run game that contributed 134.5 yards per game

So don't rely on him in the playoffs and you are fine...put the ball in his hands and the bed s***ing commences.

Tom Brady he never was....he was a bigger dumber Fran Tarkenton. And like Tarkenton fun to watch and that's about it. Sure, great throw in SB 43 against a pathetic 9-7 Cards team that he coudn't dominate...thank you James Harrison. Don't even get me started on SB 40 and that mid 20s QBR....LOL.

Case closed.

or as somebody who understands how football works would read it. Playing with a lead and having to throw less due to a good run game and defense is good. Playing from behind, having to throw a ton with a ****** run game and spotty defense is bad.

 

[Gildong Sack]

or as somebody who understands how football works would read it. Playing with a lead and having to throw less due to a good run game and defense is good. Playing from behind, having to throw a ton with a ****** run game and spotty defense is bad.

Yes like Tom Brady against the Falcons...but again: Brady he never was.....
Or throwing a sh**load of picks early then having to try to throw for 5000 yards and 20 TDs like against the Jags a few years ago.....yeah you'll figure it out eventually. You won't ever admit it....but you'll figure it out.

 

[topseed]

I never said Ben held Tomlin back. I said Ben had too many flaws in his game. Cowher could have kept coaching we still weren't winning anything. Speaking of which Ben was very much like Cowher in that he feasted on crappy teams(especially in the North) to pad his stats, and in playoff crunch time he s**t the bed over and over. Those are the facts. No matter how hard you hug his nuts those facts are not going away.

Sure. Sure you didn't. What you said was now that Ben's gone, we can finally expect Tomlin to win a Lombardi in a few years. That's not you saying Ben was holding Tomlin back? Bullsh*t.

So Cowher couldn't possibly have won that Super Bowl in 2008 (even after winning one in 2005, WITH Ben), but Tomlin came in and saved the day, elevating this bed-sh*tting guy for a little while (only from 2007 to 2010, of course) and winning that championship WITH him at quarterback...yet after that, magically, everyone "in the know" (aka you) somehow understood way back in 2011 that the Steelers would never win anything with Ben again. Even though they'd already won two Super Bowls WITH him and been to another at that point. LOL.

The fact is that your opinion makes no sense whatsoever. Stay off the crack, son. And take Tomlin's balls out of your mouth, while you're at it.

 

[Wolf44]

Of course Cowher was 5-1 in the playoffs with Ben and won a Super Bowl. Tomlin started out 5-1 in the playoffs with Ben and Cowherd players. Since Cowherd players left Tomlin is 3-8 in the playoffs. Me thinks Cowher would have done much much much better than Tomlin if he was here the last 15 years.

 

[Gildong Sack]

Sure. Sure you didn't. What you said was now that Ben's gone, we can finally expect Tomlin to win a Lombardi in a few years. That's not you saying Ben was holding Tomlin back? Bullsh*t.

So Cowher couldn't possibly have won that Super Bowl in 2008 (even after winning one in 2005, WITH Ben), but Tomlin came in and saved the day, elevating this bed-sh*tting guy for a little while (only from 2007 to 2010, of course) and winning that championship WITH him at quarterback...yet after that, magically, everyone "in the know" (aka you) somehow understood way back in 2011 that the Steelers would never win anything with Ben again. Even though they'd already won two Super Bowls WITH him and been to another at that point. LOL.

The fact is that your opinion makes no sense whatsoever. Stay off the crack, son. And take Tomlin's balls out of your mouth, while you're at it.

No...you need to work on your comprehension skills. Ben held THE WHOLE TEAM back with his flaws. The team will probably win a Lombardi in a few years if we have stability at the QB position. If Trubisky turns out to be a serviceable journeyman it's very doable. You need a guy who will do as he's told and will implement the scheme, not "3rd and half a foot, they sent in an RPO... I think I'll throw the go route 45 yards down field nowhere near the receiver." It's well documented at this point that Ben ran what he liked, and did what he wanted and they accommodated him because of his tenure. That resulted in cowboy play that screwed the team more than it benefited them, but as long as the clueless faithful believe..the cash kept flowing and the status quo remained.

You guys love building straw men then wailing away at them...LOL. I never said Tomlin "elevated" anyone. I will grant you that maybe Cowher would have had better results with Ben IF he reigned in Ben. He was the coach who could have kept the bed sh**ting to a minimum by keeping the ball out of his hands in crucial moments, plus the fact that he liked a dominant running game. We will never know, but that is a factor I never considered,. Remember Ben wasn't a big Cowher fan...and we all know why.

 

[Gildong Sack]

Of course Cowher was 5-1 in the playoffs with Ben and won a Super Bowl. Tomlin started out 5-1 in the playoffs with Ben and Cowherd players. Since Cowherd players left Tomlin is 3-8 in the playoffs. Me thinks Cowher would have done much much much better than Tomlin if he was here the last 15 years.

Sure. There is some validity to that argument except when you consider that the league manipulated the PI rules to open up the offenses AFTER Cowher left. The Steelers gave Ben pretty much Carte Blanche to go pass happy and he produced s**t in all those B.A.+ Haley years except SB 43 and if not for James Harrison, it's TOTAL s**t in all those years.

 

[Gildong Sack]

Sure. Sure you didn't. What you said was now that Ben's gone, we can finally expect Tomlin to win a Lombardi in a few years. That's not you saying Ben was holding Tomlin back? Bullsh*t.

So Cowher couldn't possibly have won that Super Bowl in 2008 (even after winning one in 2005, WITH Ben), but Tomlin came in and saved the day, elevating this bed-sh*tting guy for a little while (only from 2007 to 2010, of course) and winning that championship WITH him at quarterback...yet after that, magically, everyone "in the know" (aka you) somehow understood way back in 2011 that the Steelers would never win anything with Ben again. Even though they'd already won two Super Bowls WITH him and been to another at that point. LOL.

The fact is that your opinion makes no sense whatsoever. Stay off the crack, son. And take Tomlin's balls out of your mouth, while you're at it.

On this board, on Facebook, and alongside the people I was watching SB 45 with.

I said and wrote " We will not win another super bowl again as long as Ben is QB ." The people I was around said I was being over dramatic and angry because of the loss. On this message board (IIRC) most ignored my post as it was the next day or a few days after the loss and this place was mostly dead. On Facebook they told me to "go F yourself!"

Yet, here I am at the end of Ben's career.........absolutely correct.

 

[madinsomniac]

USFL is starting in a few weeks and I believe the XFL is coming back too. The NFL absolutely needs a developmental league because after the concussion hysteria, the fundamentals of blocking and tackling are barely practiced. That’s why most teams can’t run the ball now,

Colleges limit hitting now too. You need a league of low paid professionals where they can actually learn the game. It used to be that the developmental leeague, particularly NFL Europe was focused on developing the QB. Now it’s the OL and TEs and defensive players that needs the extra development in a league where hitting is actually permitted.

You can’t hit in pee wee or highs school because moms (and weak dads) don’t like it. You can’t hit in college because ESPN has each player thinking they are their own corporate brand and should opt out of any difficult situation. You can’t hit in the NFL because they damn near negotiated practice out of the game. They’re all protected.


Hey what about these low paid guys nobody ever heard of in this minor league? **** ‘em. Let them knock each other senseless.

I don’t understand? Who needs to practice hitting in a two hand touch league? Say something mean enough and half of these guys will go down on their own

 

[topseed]

No...you need to work on your comprehension skills. Ben held THE WHOLE TEAM back with his flaws.

Who's the head coach of THE WHOLE TEAM, Einstein?

The team will probably win a Lombardi in a few years if we have stability at the QB position. If Trubisky turns out to be a serviceable journeyman it's very doable. You need a guy who will do as he's told and will implement the scheme, not "3rd and half a foot, they sent in an RPO... I think I'll throw the go route 45 yards down field nowhere near the receiver." It's well documented at this point that Ben ran what he liked, and did what he wanted and they accommodated him because of his tenure. That resulted in cowboy play that screwed the team more than it benefited them, but as long as the clueless faithful believe..the cash kept flowing and the status quo remained.

Right, there's been no stability at the quarterback position for the Steelers lately. Even though Ben retired as the longest-tenured quarterback ever with only one team, spending all 18 years in Pittsburgh and earning a future ticket to the Hall of Fame. Let's pretend that didn't happen...what they need at quarterback is some stable play from a serviceable journeyman. The less you say, the more intelligent you sound.

Ben's "cowboy play" is precisely what helped the Steelers get to the Super Bowl in 2005, and win it in 2008. If Ben was able to run what he liked all of these years as you claim, then it doesn't say much about the leadership abilities of your boy Tomlin.

You guys love building straw men then wailing away at them...LOL. I never said Tomlin "elevated" anyone. I will grant you that maybe Cowher would have had better results with Ben IF he reigned in Ben. He was the coach who could have kept the bed sh**ting to a minimum by keeping the ball out of his hands in crucial moments, plus the fact that he liked a dominant running game. We will never know, but that is a factor I never considered,. Remember Ben wasn't a big Cowher fan...and we all know why.

There is no straw argument from me. YOU said Cowher could have kept on coaching, and they wouldn't have won anything. YOU said Cowher gave Ben the best chance to win, yet Ben won with Tomlin in 2008. YOU said that you knew in 2010 that Ben would never win another Super Bowl...but he was AOK with you while he won 2 in the prior 6 years? Do you realize how stupid you sound?

 

[topseed]

On this board, on Facebook, and alongside the people I was watching SB 45 with.

I said and wrote " We will not win another super bowl again as long as Ben is QB ." The people I was around said I was being over dramatic and angry because of the loss. On this message board (IIRC) most ignored my post as it was the next day or a few days after the loss and this place was mostly dead. On Facebook they told me to "go F yourself!"

Yet, here I am at the end of Ben's career.........absolutely correct.

Good for you, guy. Obviously, you must have been truly in the know, and are clearly an omniscient guru to be revered far and wide across all of Steeler Nation.

I said after the 2017 season that they'd never win another Super Bowl with Tomlin as the head coach, and they haven't. So what? They haven't even won a playoff game since then, but I'm sure not happy about it, or tooting my own f*cking horn like you are.

As a Steelers fan, I'd much rather have to say I was wrong if Tomlin (now free of the albatross that was Ben Roethlisberger -- praise be to God) somehow wins another championship before he leaves Pittsburgh, than watch him sh*t the bed in the playoffs for 5 or 10 more years just so I could say: "Here I am........absolutely correct."

 

[Drink IRON City]

No...you need to work on your comprehension skills. Ben held THE WHOLE TEAM back with his flaws. The team will probably win a Lombardi in a few years if we have stability at the QB position. If Trubisky turns out to be a serviceable journeyman it's very doable. You need a guy who will do as he's told and will implement the scheme, not "3rd and half a foot, they sent in an RPO... I think I'll throw the go route 45 yards down field nowhere near the receiver." It's well documented at this point that Ben ran what he liked, and did what he wanted and they accommodated him because of his tenure. That resulted in cowboy play that screwed the team more than it benefited them, but as long as the clueless faithful believe..the cash kept flowing and the status quo remained.

You guys love building straw men then wailing away at them...LOL. I never said Tomlin "elevated" anyone. I will grant you that maybe Cowher would have had better results with Ben IF he reigned in Ben. He was the coach who could have kept the bed sh**ting to a minimum by keeping the ball out of his hands in crucial moments, plus the fact that he liked a dominant running game. We will never know, but that is a factor I never considered,. Remember Ben wasn't a big Cowher fan...and we all know why.

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[Hypocycloids]

Tomlin is coach because he's a damn good coach. And this team was never going to win anything till 7 retired. 7 had way too many flaws in his game to defeat better secondaries and it showed itself over and over . 7 was just there to keep ***** in seats. Anyone who knows knew we were not winning s**t with him at QB after 2010. He was fun to watch and he kept the profits rolling in...it's a business.

And you think Biden is a damn good president.

Funny how you and everyone else knew we weren't gonna win **** with Ben at QB ...except for our damn good coach.