Nothing on Israel?

[Tim Steelersfan]

Go my Israeli brothers, go!

Netanyahu vows Hamas will pay ‘very heavy price’ as Israel pounds Gaza tunnels

Israeli continues to pound the Gaza strip with heavy artillery fire on May 14, 2020 with the Prime Minister declaring that the campaign “will continue as long as necessary.”

nypost.com

 

[Hines57]

They have been told to, and agreed to, give back a LOT of land they won in wars that they did not start. It's a racket.

They should tell the UN to get the **** out of Israel and build on the land that is rightfully theirs. No more bullshit. The others can go to neighboring countries if they want their own land.

 

[Djfan]

They should tell the UN to get the **** out of Israel and build on the land that is rightfully theirs. No more bullshit. The others can go to neighboring countries if they want their own land.

The nation of Jordan is almost 70% Palestinian already. They used to be called Tran-Jordan, because they claimed what it now called "The West Bank", and is owned by Israel (even though most countries don't acknowledge that). But, they won't take the current population of "Palestinians" into their nation as citizens. It pays dividend to have a crop of soldiers to arm and send, when they are not technically your soldiers.

BTW, Jordan entered the war officially today.

 

[IndySteel]

They used to be called Tran-Jordan

Flog lived there?

 

[Hines57]

The nation of Jordan is almost 70% Palestinian already. They used to be called Tran-Jordan, because they claimed what it now called "The West Bank", and is owned by Israel (even though most countries don't acknowledge that). But, they won't take the current population of "Palestinians" into their nation as citizens. It pays dividend to have a crop of soldiers to arm and send, when they are not technically your soldiers.

BTW, Jordan entered the war officially today.

Wonder why there was never a country called Palestine? Could it be because they didn't exist until Israel got the land and they want to take away Israel...

 

[stillerfaninfl]

Mess with the bull, you get the horns.

 

[Djfan]

Wonder why there was never a country called Palestine? Could it be because they didn't exist until Israel got the land and they want to take away Israel...

It was largely tribal. No real central government, military, etc.

However, when Primier Golda Meir pointed this out while she was in office, the Arab world went nuts over the comment, and the rest of the oil dependent world went along with the Arabs. She had to retract the comment. It was true, but not loved. We know how that stuff goes.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Wonder why there was never a country called Palestine? Could it be because they didn't exist until Israel got the land and they want to take away Israel...

 

[SojournerSteel]

Dave explained it many moons ago on the old old old board.

the tract of land was also barren and worthess. when the Jews were given the land, the Muslims wanted nothing to do with it. They even scoffed at anyone living there.

so the Jews "gentrified" the land and made it a home.

now the Muslims want it back.

i cannot attest that this is 100% true, but that is how it was explained.

Regardless of where one stands on the conflict, it's not really about the land.

Carrol Quigley, former Dean of the Georgetown School of Foreign Service, writing in his landmark 1966 book "Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World In Our Time," had this to say on page 1063-64:

"The Israeli were full of self-sacrifice, self-discipline, social solidarity, readiness to work, cooperation, and hopes for the future. Their ideology was largely Western, with a devotion to science, democracy, individual respect, technology, and the future which could match or exceed the best periods of the Western past. All these things made them anathema to the Arabs, whose hysterical hatred was not really aimed at the loss of Palestine as a land but at the presence of the Israeli, whose qualities were a refutation of generations of Arab self-deceptions and pretenses."

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Israeli strikes kill 26, topple buildings in Gaza City

Israeli airstrikes on Gaza City flattened three buildings and killed at least 26 people Sunday, medics said, making it the deadliest single attack since heavy fighting broke out between Israel and the territory's militant Hamas rulers nearly a week ago.

www.foxnews.com

 

[MTC]

Regardless of where one stands on the conflict, it's not really about the land.

Carrol Quigley, former Dean of the Georgetown School of Foreign Service, writing in his landmark 1966 book "Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World In Our Time," had this to say on page 1063-64:

So it’s the fact they don’t want a western type of arab nation?

 

[Djfan]

So it’s the fact they don’t want a western type of arab nation?

Only the dishonest, or the idealistic folks won't admit that.

It's also pretty ethno-centric to assume that people in the whole world think like us or want to be like us. It's really not the case.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Bill Clinton negotiated a deal that would have given the Palestinians 96% of the land they wanted but Arafat & Co. said no because it left out the part about driving the Jews into the sea.
American Jews are (mostly) Liberal Democrats first and Jewish second.

 

[Tibs]

Bill Clinton negotiated a deal that would have given the Palestinians 96% of the land they wanted but Arafat & Co. said no because it left out the part about driving the Jews into the sea.
American Jews are (mostly) Liberal Democrats first and Jewish second.

American Jews are Americans first and Jewish second, as they should be.

 

[Djfan]

American Jews are Americans first and Jewish second, as they should be.

I have no problem with this, but most are not in Israel because they don't want to leave roots, or they don't like the form of government. The Orthodox Jews won't go because the laws of the land are not Orthodox. Many of them won't acknowledge the nation.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

American Jews are Americans first and Jewish second, as they should be.

Unlike Americans living in Hungary who are communists first, American second.

 

[IndySteel]

 

[IndySteel]

Burn terrorist, burn!!!!

 

[Hines57]

aint gonna watch any propaganda videos. Never in the history of mankind until Israel was formed was there a palestine. It is a fake movement to prevent the Jews from having a country. The Jews have been **** on enough by the world. There is a clear right and wrong side to be on here.

 

[Tibs]

Never in the history of mankind until Israel was formed was there a palestine. It is a fake movement to prevent the Jews from having a country. The Jews have been **** on enough by the world. There is a clear right and wrong side to be on here.

 

[Tibs]

Another Democrat administration turning it's back on our long-time ally Israel.

Just another ignorant, blanket statement proving yet again how crossed up your wires truly are.

Let me get this straight: since the start of the current fighting, Biden has approved more funding for the Israelis and his diplomats have applied no real pressure on the Israelis to accept a ceasefire. But he’s a stooge of the Left and betraying Israel? Huh?

 

[Superman]

Just another ignorant, blanket statement proving yet again how crossed up your wires truly are.

Let me get this straight: since the start of the current fighting, Biden has approved more funding for the Israelis and his diplomats have applied no real pressure on the Israelis to accept a ceasefire. But he’s a stooge of the Left and betraying Israel? Huh?

he also, follow along here, approved and gifted money to the Palestinians for "Covid" which they then used for rockets to fire into Israel.

 

[Hines57]

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No such thing as palestine. Never been a country, never will be. That is the Kingdom of David.

 

[Hines57]

Just another ignorant, blanket statement proving yet again how crossed up your wires truly are.

Let me get this straight: since the start of the current fighting, Biden has approved more funding for the Israelis and his diplomats have applied no real pressure on the Israelis to accept a ceasefire. But he’s a stooge of the Left and betraying Israel? Huh?

How much in funding has Xiden provided to Hamas?

 

[Steeltime]

Decaf, as expected, you swallow some fanciful, false blurb more greedily than Kamala inhaling Willie's wonka to get her career started. You know why your map starts in 1946? Because as Supe noted previously, the region was desolate and damn near uninhabited for several hundred year between 1550 and 1919, until Jews moved to Jerasulemn, Haifa and Jaffa and made them economically vibrant. As of 1850, the entire population of the region was between 200,000 and 300,000 people.

By 1920, the populations of Jerusalem, Haifa and Jaffa totaled more than 180,000. The success of those areas brought in a large number of Arab immigrants, because the average wages in those areas was 5 to 8 times higher than what the same workers were being paid in the neighboring Arab cities of Bethlehem, Hebron and Gaza. During the mid-19th century to the early 20th century, the populations of the Arab-controlled cities grew very little, and shrank in some areas.

Finally, the claim that generational Palestinians are being deprived of their rightful homeland by the Jews is simply not accurate.

The numbers of the indigenous Palestinian people

Joan Peters in her research calculated that in 1882, just the non-nomadic, settled Muslims in Palestine numbered 141,000. Among them, those that resided in Palestine before the 1831 Egyptian invasion numbered 75 percent, or 105,700.

If we calculate these 105,700 indigenous Muslims population based on natural rates of population growth according to the same rate as the populations of neighboring Syria, Egypt and Lebanon for which rates we have reliable data. That rate of growth was 1.1% per annually. Using a compounded interest formula the number of total Muslims descendants of those native people in 2015 yields a total number of 453,000.

According to the 2015 World Almanac, the “Palestinian” population, including Israeli Arabs, and Arab residents of Gaza, Golan, Judea and Samaria totals 10,523,715 people. 453,000 descendants of indigenous Muslim residents constitute only 4.3% of these “Palestinian” population. Therefore the other 95.7% of present-day “Palestinians” are clearly those Arabs and their descendants who migrated to Israel between 1831 and 2015.

The Myth About The Indigenous Arab “Palestinian” People – A view inside Israel, its beauty and issues

eyeintoisrael.com

So correct your map, Decaf, from "Palestinian land loss" to "land lost by emigres who moved to the area because of the financial vibrancy and growth brought about by people other than Palestinians."