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Odds That Rudolph Gets Traded?

topseed said:
Yes, yes, we know: Mason is a camp warrior. Great. He's been one before.


That article doesn't seem to be very cogently written, however, as the author toots Rudolph's horn, then also says things like:

"Pittsburgh knows (Rudolph) well enough to know he won't (be) the team's long-term starter while Kenny Pickett has progressed enough to be the immediate backup....the team is right to make Rudolph third-string."

Or "Pickett began camp as the #3 but has firmly cemented himself as the #2 on this team."

and "It was always Trubisky's job to lose and he didn't do anything to jeopardize his frontrunner position...he had a fine camp."


So, basically, they all had good camps, and they all had good preseason numbers. No one was overall "clearly the best," and Trubisky certainly has NOT "disappointed," as a certain poster keeps insisting.

Everybody else, including the guy who wrote that article, still knows Rudolph is the #3. Imagine that.
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But the point is that Mason is a number 3 like Heyward was the backup behind hood for three years… that had nothing to do with the players performance and everything with the staff having preordained the depth chart and it was up to a starter to mess up for it not to go the way they envisioned… if trabisky totally laid an egg or Pickett sucked, then maybe they reevaluate… but otherwise Rudolph could have been utterly perfect and he wasn’t starting… like jimmy G in san fran… the staff just decided that with one year left it wasn’t worth stunting the development of Pickett to cater to Rudolph, who is leaving in the off-season
 
madinsomniac said:
But the point is that Mason is a number 3 like Heyward was the backup behind hood for three years… that had nothing to do with the players performance and everything with the staff having preordained the depth chart and it was up to a starter to mess up for it not to go the way they envisioned… if trabisky totally laid an egg or Pickett sucked, then maybe they reevaluate… but otherwise Rudolph could have been utterly perfect and he wasn’t starting… like jimmy G in san fran… the staff just decided that with one year left it wasn’t worth stunting the development of Pickett to cater to Rudolph, who is leaving in the off-season
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Heyward was used rotationally on the defensive line for his first few years, so I don't agree that it's necessarily the same thing.

Obviously, there was a preordained depth chart with the QBs. Obviously, if the Steelers had any belief in Rudolph whatsoever, they wouldn't have signed Mitch AND drafted Pickett at #20 overall. Why did they publicly declare it as an open competition? Who knows?

This time, the Steelers got it right. Because Trubisky has NOT disappointed, and a camp warrior who had already been around the team for four years wasn't going to win a starting job that he didn't deserve in the first place.
 
topseed said:
Heyward was used rotationally on the defensive line for his first few years, so I don't agree that it's necessarily the same thing.

Obviously, there was a preordained depth chart with the QBs. Obviously, if the Steelers had any belief in Rudolph whatsoever, they wouldn't have signed Mitch AND drafted Pickett at #20 overall. Why did they publicly declare it as an open competition? Who knows?

This time, the Steelers got it right. Because Trubisky has NOT disappointed, and a camp warrior who had already been around the team for four years wasn't going to win a starting job that he didn't deserve in the first place.
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Oh I agree.. Neither Mitch nor Pickett did anything to lose the job… unless That happened Rudolph was always going to be on the outs.. well that or an injury
 
topseed said:
Yes, yes, we know: Mason is a camp warrior. Great. He's been one before.


That article doesn't seem to be very cogently written, however, as the author toots Rudolph's horn, then also says things like:

"Pittsburgh knows (Rudolph) well enough to know he won't (be) the team's long-term starter while Kenny Pickett has progressed enough to be the immediate backup....the team is right to make Rudolph third-string."

Or "Pickett began camp as the #3 but has firmly cemented himself as the #2 on this team."

and "It was always Trubisky's job to lose and he didn't do anything to jeopardize his frontrunner position...he had a fine camp."


So, basically, they all had good camps, and they all had good preseason numbers. No one was overall "clearly the best," and Trubisky certainly has NOT "disappointed," as a certain poster keeps insisting.

Everybody else, including the guy who wrote that glowing article, still knows Rudolph is the #3. Imagine that.
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I don't think anyone said Rudolph was the long term, most felt he was a bridge because the QB class was so weak as shown by the Steelers being the only team to reach.

Pickett is still a 50/50 shot.

Anointing Mitch a QB that no one wanted as a starter might be a huge mistake.
 
BamaSteeler52 said:
I don't think anyone said Rudolph was the long term, most felt he was a bridge because the QB class was so weak as shown by the Steelers being the only team to reach.

Pickett is still a 50/50 shot.

Anointing Mitch a QB that no one wanted as a starter might be a huge mistake.
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Mitch is mobile and has won in the league. In a close contest VS a rookie you go with the veteran. BTW plenty of stars developed in the NFL that seemingly nobody else wanted. Also there is plenty of late bloomers in the NFL as well. It isn't like the Bears are a stable club. They are bottom feeders for a reason.


Right now Mitch is an unknown. Fans that claim to know more are simply misguided. He is a wait and see. Maybe he does like Tannyhill did for the Titans and maybe he doesn't.
 
FordFairLane said:
Well, if a GM reads this forum they’ll see Rudolph is the worst QB in the history of the NFL and is a garbage human being as well.
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There is literally one person on this board who thinks he's total trash and one person on this board who thinks he still has the upside to be a high end QB. Everyone else pegs him as a quality backup/spot starter.
 
BamaSteeler52 said:
I don't think anyone said Rudolph was the long term, most felt he was a bridge because the QB class was so weak as shown by the Steelers being the only team to reach.
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I think I might know one guy.
BamaSteeler52 said:
Pickett is still a 50/50 shot.
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Still? Pickett hasn't even played an official down in the NFL yet. You might want to see a little bit more of KP before you give him a 50% chance to bust. What's not to like about what he's put on tape so far?
BamaSteeler52 said:
Anointing Mitch a QB that no one wanted as a starter might be a huge mistake.
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Actually, Trubisky was almost universally recognized as one of the top available free agent quarterbacks in 2022, and several teams were interested him as their potential starter, including (as you should have noticed) the Pittsburgh Steelers.
 
slashsteel said:
Mitch is mobile and has won in the league. In a close contest VS a rookie you go with the veteran. BTW plenty of stars developed in the NFL that seemingly nobody else wanted. Also there is plenty of late bloomers in the NFL as well. It isn't like the Bears are a stable club. They are bottom feeders for a reason.


Right now Mitch is an unknown. Fans that claim to know more are simply misguided. He is a wait and see. Maybe he does like Tannyhill did for the Titans and maybe he doesn't.
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A huge Bears fan I know told me as long as you don’t pin him down in the pocket , Trabisky is pro bowl material… its when you try to make him a pocket passer that he struggles.. which is what Nagy did
 
I don't understand the number of people saying or acting like Rudolph got a raw deal. I mean it's not like the guy didn't have a whole season with Ben hurt to showcase himself to the coaches. He has had several years to showcase himself. He has had way more opportunities here than Trubisky and Pickett combined. He is not and never will be a starting QB in this league. It would have been great for us if he worked out and was as awesome as they had hoped he would be but he simply isn't. Nobody knows for sure if the concussion jacked him up and ruined him or not. What we do know is what the tape shows us and who he is now and that is a middle-of-the-road to borderline bottom-tier backup in this league.
 
livingthrudying said:
I don't understand the number of people saying or acting like Rudolph got a raw deal. I mean it's not like the guy didn't have a whole season with Ben hurt to showcase himself to the coaches. He has had several years to showcase himself. He has had way more opportunities here than Trubisky and Pickett combined. He is not and never will be a starting QB in this league. It would have been great for us if he worked out and was as awesome as they had hoped he would be but he simply isn't. Nobody knows for sure if the concussion jacked him up and ruined him or not. What we do know is what the tape shows us and who he is now and that is a middle-of-the-road to borderline bottom-tier backup in this league.
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I don't know where I rank him as a backup. And to be fair there is some pretty questionable starters in the NFL at the position. But one good point is he has had many opportunities to impress. Behind doors closed to media/ public looks. He impressed so much the team drafted and brought in a QB they viewed as a potential starter. So sure they were probably leaning in the direction that is unfolding for multiple reasons. I think he had a decent preseason but won't paint him with a brush on exactly what he is. But for him to have gotten the start he would have had to show something above and beyond than what they already have seen at one point in time. I don't think he did that...
Not to that extent.
 
slashsteel said:
I don't know where I rank him as a backup. And to be fair there is some pretty questionable starters in the NFL at the position. But one good point is he has had many opportunities to impress. Behind doors closed to media/ public looks. He impressed so much the team drafted and brought in a QB they viewed as a potential starter. So sure they were probably leaning in the direction that is unfolding for multiple reasons. I think he had a decent preseason but won't paint him with a brush on exactly what he is. But for him to have gotten the start he would have had to show something above and beyond than what they already have seen at one point in time. I don't think he did that...
Not to that extent.
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They drafted and signed a QB. This says they already knew what they had in him and did not believe he was capable of being "the guy". Even if Pickett is not the guy, you do not draft a QB in the first round if you think someone on your roster is the long-term answer. Personally, I don't think we will get much if anything for the guy in a trade. He just is not much better than other options in the league to warrant giving up much in the way of draft capital. Maybe a 6th or 7th if someone likes him. Again he isn't the worst but he isn't good enough to be worth giving up any real compensation. We will most likely cut him if we cant find a trade, cause I don't see us keeping 3 QBs. From what I am seeing it looks like a 3 mil cap savings if he is gone and only a 1 mil dead cap hit this year.
 
madinsomniac said:
A huge Bears fan I know told me as long as you don’t pin him down in the pocket , Trabisky is pro bowl material… its when you try to make him a pocket passer that he struggles.. which is what Nagy did
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Not a problem in the Burgh we have no pocket to pin him in.
 
madinsomniac said:

Jimmy Garoppolo, 49ers finalizing restructured contract to keep QB in San Francisco

In a surprising twist, Jimmy Garoppolo's time in San Francisco is not over. Garoppolo will remain with the 49ers as an experienced backup to Trey Lance, NFL Network Insiders Ian Rapoport and Mike Garafolo reported on Monday.
www.nfl.com

This just severely increased the odds someone makes a serious offer for Rudolph
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Why would anyone make a serious offer for an average back up who has no business starting games in the NFL?
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Ben played in the preseason and took snaps in camp. Chris did not.
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They went into the season with Brian st pierre at the #3 qb role… he had never appeared in an nfl game, and neither had ben at that point… it didn’t matter because 3rd qbs are rarely experienced players…
 
BamaSteeler52 said:
Why would anyone make a serious offer for an average back up who has no business starting games in the NFL?
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Because he is going to be the best available option with actual nfl experience, and no matter what people say, his stats aren’t as bad as people think… his touchdown percentage of 4.2% would be good for 110th all time… we are spoiled by watching Ben for so long… Mason is a quality backup with low end starter potential…

Its already being reported that the Steelers are getting offers for him… they just haven’t decided if its worth trading him yet
 
I would want Mason over Geno S and Marcus M. just to name 2 locations Seattle has a lot of draft picks.
 
madinsomniac said:
Because he is going to be the best available option with actual nfl experience, and no matter what people say, his stats aren’t as bad as people think… his touchdown percentage of 4.2% would be good for 110th all time… we are spoiled by watching Ben for so long… Mason is a quality backup with low end starter potential…

Its already being reported that the Steelers are getting offers for him… they just haven’t decided if its worth trading him yet
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I agree with you assessment, I don't think anyone really knows Masons true game ability...
I don't think the Steelers should trade him, with this OL the possibility of injury is high and Kenny is not tested at all. But that's me. I would trade expendable Claypool before Mason.
 
I have to say, Kahn has played this way better than colbert used to thus far.

Colbert had a player he wanted to move, say Holmes or AB or Ingram… he made it excessively clear that the Steelers were going to move the player and thus got lowball offers. He preset a minimum pick he’d take for the player and usually it was well advertised…

Kahn has repeatedly said that Rudolph wasn’t available and despite tons of insiders claiming they were willing to move him, made it seem extremely plausible that they just keep him

Now I’d believe that if they didn’t have so many holes to fill, and couldn’t use some cap relief and draft capital to bring in some extra vets at S, Ol, and Lb that may become available… but honestly… if this is colbert, Mason has already been moved for a sixth..

If they actually get a third then Kahn is definitely more business first than colbert… though I bet they’d settle for a fourth
 
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