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Official SB game thread

Reed says he gives it to Kelce and vice versa. Kelce is still probably the best TE in the game and he plays a complete game. Screaming at your coach is not a good look, but I'm sure Kelce looks to Reid as a father figure. People are making way too much of it and I guarantee no one thinks Kelce is a cancer on the team. I wish our guys played with as much intensity as he does.
 
jitter77 said:
Reed says he gives it to Kelce and vice versa. Kelce is still probably the best TE in the game and he plays a complete game. Screaming at your coach is not a good look, but I'm sure Kelce looks to Reid as a father figure. People are making way too much of it and I guarantee no one thinks Kelce is a cancer on the team. I wish our guys played with as much intensity as he does.
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I have wished that some of our guys would get into Tomlin's face and call him on things.

Steel G said:
The first 3 quarters sucked. The extra week off killed momentum of both offenses. Yeah, there was some good defense, but the offenses were very sloppy.
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As an old school Steelers fan, the defense was very fun. Nice to see it not be a 65-74 game.
 
He's 35 years old and screaming in the face of the HC during a game and on the sideline. Rookie behavior from a vet who thinks he's more important than he is

35, has 2 years left on contract, and ripe for trade. $12M salary which is a bargain for a needy team with an eager GM.

How do you replace him?
 
Kelce bumping Reid was not a good look. If there are ramifications they will handle it internally. I sincerely doubt they are moving on from him due to this issue. The guy is a HOF TE and still playing peak football.
 
Wonder what the queen of cartoon music thought of that?
Maybe she’s thinking this guy has a lot of rage in him and what if he does that to me.
Get ready for a Swift breakup and a song about it. Oh jeez!
 
I did not think the Kelce thing was a big deal. We see these sideline exchanges all the time. It’s usually a positive. Notice Kelce and the TEs started getting the ball after that. Maybe Kelce saw something and told Reid. That’s what you want is players working with coaches. Not a Matt Canada who doesn’t even talk with other coaches and doesn’t have audibles.
 
Players working with coaches = getting physical and psycho with HC on the sidelines during the SB. Maybe that's what you want to see from your couch but it's one click better than AB removing his clothes and quitting in the middle of a game

Also not mentioning injury to Greenlaw and how KC adjusted. Can't give enough credit to mahomes he is the Master of this game at 28 years old. Not the most accurate, not the biggest arm, not the fastest but mentally stable (Hello Ben) and fully in command of his team.

on his way to GOAT if he isn't already.
 
The Steelers culture is better than most. The problems are not a Steelers or Tomlin issue. I believe it’s a Gen Z issue. Many of them are difficult to work with. This is well established in the overalll workforce. Tons of articles written on the challenges of working with millennials and gen z. Not all of course, but a great many have been immersed in an education focused on self esteem and putting yourself first.

We have a lot of young people who can’t handle being told No. So many athletes now see themselvs as the team they care about. Their own stats and social media brand is the goal. Free agency means they feel their current team is just temporary. You do you and if your current team doesn’t like it, you’ll be elsewhere soon. So long as you personal brand is strong, it’s all good.

Again, this isn’t all, but it absolutely is a significant number of yiung people who now feel this way. Ask them to not check their phone in a meeting and YOU are the jerk.

There‘s always differences in generations but that divide is huge after Gen X. Part of why so many teams want that young coach, even if he’s not very experienced, is the hope they can connect with young players.

Winning covers a lot of sins. It’s easy for everybody to appear to be United when things are going great. That’s why it’s not always good to assume the top teams have these great cultures. Let them go on a losing streak and see how united they are.

Tomlin is not perfect but he does a better job than most in this area.
 
wig said:
You know, not being from Pittsburgh, I really have no context for the deep love some folks have for KP.

I mean, he's average at BEST. And you'd think folks would begin to see that when their "career backup" literally outplays Pickett in every game he starts.

But no. Mason's the Devil, and Kenny will Saaaaaaaaave us!"

He's just a guy, man. Admittedly, our coaches etc. have done him no favors, but KP has shown no capability whatsoever to elevate above poor coaching. He's not the Messiah, gang.
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You're probably right, but I'm an alumni, so while my take is biased, I still hold out hope that the coaching staff are just idiots.
 
TimesHaveChanged said:
Players working with coaches = getting physical and psycho with HC on the sidelines during the SB. Maybe that's what you want to see from your couch but it's one click better than AB removing his clothes and quitting in the middle of a game

Also not mentioning injury to Greenlaw and how KC adjusted. Can't give enough credit to mahomes he is the Master of this game at 28 years old. Not the most accurate, not the biggest arm, not the fastest but mentally stable (Hello Ben) and fully in command of his team.

on his way to GOAT if he isn't already.
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um, if mahomes doesn't have the biggest arm in the game, he's neck and neck with josh allen. and he's pretty damn accurate to boot
 
Sarge said:
I don't find football nearly as entertaining when the Steelers aren't playing. Hell, I don't find it that entertaining when they are playing. Lately anyway.
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oh. see, i don't identify with that perspective. i'm a fan of the sport of football, first and foremost.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
The Steelers culture is better than most. The problems are not a Steelers or Tomlin issue. I believe it’s a Gen Z issue. Many of them are difficult to work with. This is well established in the overalll workforce. Tons of articles written on the challenges of working with millennials and gen z. Not all of course, but a great many have been immersed in an education focused on self esteem and putting yourself first.

We have a lot of young people who can’t handle being told No. So many athletes now see themselvs as the team they care about. Their own stats and social media brand is the goal. Free agency means they feel their current team is just temporary. You do you and if your current team doesn’t like it, you’ll be elsewhere soon. So long as you personal brand is strong, it’s all good.

Again, this isn’t all, but it absolutely is a significant number of yiung people who now feel this way. Ask them to not check their phone in a meeting and YOU are the jerk.

There‘s always differences in generations but that divide is huge after Gen X. Part of why so many teams want that young coach, even if he’s not very experienced, is the hope they can connect with young players.

Winning covers a lot of sins. It’s easy for everybody to appear to be United when things are going great. That’s why it’s not always good to assume the top teams have these great cultures. Let them go on a losing streak and see how united they are.

Tomlin is not perfect but he does a better job than most in this area.
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lol keep telling yourself that, whatever helps you sleep at night, i suppose.
 
Definitely Gen Z problem and the evidence is plain as day. Teams with Gen Z players on roster aren't winning football games.

As for Steelers culture it's a distant memory. There is no order right now and consecutive fail seasons are the proof. You go back 7 or 8 years for postseason success and 15 years for a Lombardi.

We are the 4th best team in the division right now. Really need KP to take the next step in his development
 
TimesHaveChanged said:
Definitely Gen Z problem and the evidence is plain as day. Teams with Gen Z players on roster aren't winning football games.

As for Steelers culture it's a distant memory. There is no order right now and consecutive fail seasons are the proof. You go back 7 or 8 years for postseason success and 15 years for a Lombardi.

We are the 4th best team in the division right now. Really need KP to take the next step in his development
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I don't think we are 4th best. We were 5-1 in the division and everyone else had at least 3 losses. I know Cinci didn't have JB which should make a big difference. At worst we are 3rd, don't think Cleveland is better than us. If Pickett stayed healthy or if Mason started sooner we could have had a couple more wins and would have been a 4-5 seed.
 
I would have LOVED to see somebody come up and bump into Cowher aggressively and start yelling at him.

Spit for DAYS!
 
Djfan said:
But, other teams work with them.
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yes and they are having issues as well.

How did the Ravens culture look as they unraveled against the Chiefs?
The Eagles had tons of infighting this year.
Kelce got in Andy Reid’s face during the SB

There is no team that has 53 robots who do exactly what they are told at all times.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
yes and they are having issues as well.

How did the Ravens culture look as they unraveled against the Chiefs?
The Eagles had tons of infighting this year.
Kelce got in Andy Reid’s face during the SB

There is no team that has 53 robots who do exactly what they are told at all times.
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I would never insinuate that. But the 49ers particularly, FAR more than us, had a unit on the field most of the time. We have diva central at times. It was just different.
 
wig said:
I would have LOVED to see somebody come up and bump into Cowher aggressively and start yelling at him.

Spit for DAYS!
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You don't remember when Korky Stewart did it and got the verbal lashing of his life? Dude probably thought he was about to get his *** kicked. I think he went to the bench and cried or almost cried IIRC...:ROFLMAO:

Korky yelled at him, no bump....if he had bumped him I think it would have been on.
 
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Mr Tape: you keep making statements without giving an example to support it. If it's an opinion that's OK but you have to say so.

What and when did you see regarding ravens culture during the AFCCG and how does it relate to their performance?
 
Djfan said:
I would never insinuate that. But the 49ers particularly, FAR more than us, had a unit on the field most of the time. We have diva central at times. It was just different.
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A few years ago Deebo was pouting and demanding a trade. Then he got his money. I don;t follow the 49ers week by week, but i'd bet they had their share of diva behavior.

I'm just pointing out that it's not the 80s or 90s anymore where you can have a coach barking out orders, It's my way or the highway.

I saw Belichick in an interview and he talked about trying to discipline Lawrence Taylor for being late for a meeting. LT pretty much blew him off BB said how he told Parcels about it and Parcels said - Why did you start the meeting without LT?

People see Pickens acting like a diva and rip on Tomlin as if Pickens would be a choir boy if he was on Chiefs or Bills, etc.

In terms of Culture, i still think the Steelers are among the best. Their problem has been complacency. I think they got spoiled by having Ben for so long and forgot how many sins a HOF QB covers up. Colbert's last few years weren't great.

But i think it's clear they Steelers have seen the need for change. Last offseason was one of the best in a long time. They did fire Canada midseason, an almost unheard of move for the steelers. They made a bunch of staff changes and now today they cut Trubiski, Chukes and Harvin.

There is far more positive than negative and so many here seem to act like the Steelers are a 6 win team with no hope of competing any time soon. I disagree.
 
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