Pickens being traded to Dallas?

[Fiji Mariner]

Pickens joins a dubious list of round 1-2 draft failures over the past 6 season who aren’t even with the team anymore or never made the contribution to justify the pick

7 Fails: Pickens, Pickett, Bush, Najee, Claypool, James Washington, Jones

1 Success: Friermuth

Jury still out: Benton, Frazier, Porter, Fautanu, Harmon

Rooney is running this team into the ground, Tomlin is navigating the descent

While not a long term guy Pickens got almost 3000 yards and a 3rd back for a 2nd (hardly a draft “fail” story)
Najee broke 4000 and simply wasn’t resigned (hardly a draft “fail” story). Not his fault the Steelers took him too early.
Bush looked the part til the knee and was then never the same…getting closer to a fail story…albeit due to injury.

Pickett, Claypool and Washington all lacked production but Claypool returned a pick higher than he was drafted…so in fact a draft capital win.

So the net “fails” is pretty low off that list imo
Could better long term guys have been taken? Absolutely!!!
Could worse guys have been selected? many were, so absolutely!

At least our “fails” you dubbed are above the league average…and as we all know by know anything above the league average is “the standard”

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Pickens was far and away the Steelers WR1 last season and yet ranked 54th in the NFL with 59 receptions. A deep WR room with bad QB play could justify those numbers, but my goodness, the Steelers barely had another NFL-level receiver on the roster and he still couldn't produce high-volume numbers.

The Steelers offensive philosophy also ranked 54th in the league last year.

Amazing but the run, run, pass punt offense might have had something to do with his low targets, low receptions numbers.

 

[stillwright]

While not a long term guy Pickens got almost 3000 yards and a 3rd back for a 2nd (hardly a draft “fail” story)
Najee broke 4000 and simply wasn’t resigned (hardly a draft “fail” story). Not his fault the Steelers took him too early.
Bush looked the part til the knee and was them never the same…getting closer to a fail story…albeit due to injury.

Pickett, Claypool and Washington all lacked production but Claypool returned a pick higher than he was drafted…so in fact a draft capital win.

So the net “fails” is pretty low off that list imo
Could better long term guys have been taken? Absolutely!!!
Could worse guys have been selected? many were, so absolutely!

At least our “fails” you dubbed are above the league average…and as we all know by know anything above the league average is “the standard”

So is it a bad thing that Harris got 4000 yards? And if he was a 3rd pick do you think he still would be with the team?

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Never said he was, I said he was top 10, but in the NFL at QB that doesn't make you elite. Burrow, Mahomes, Jackson and Allen are the only Elite Tier QB's in the league.

Goff is emerging as an elite QB

Hard to deny the man when his last 3 seasons he’s averaged 32 TDs and over 4500 passing per year.

We’d lose our minds with that type of QB production.

A couple other guys tryna break through as “elite” too but the young bucks need to repeat for a few years before dubbing them elite, imo

But to your point there are far more teams than elite QBs, but there’s more than that group of 4 listed…it may just be a couple/few more but there’s more than 4 (heck until Lamar does something in the playoffs I’m not sure I dub him “elite”- he’s got about a two year window before he becomes the Tomlin of QBs)

 

[stillwright]

The Steelers offensive philosophy also ranked 54th in the league last year.

Amazing but the run, run, pass punt offense might have had something to do with his low targets, low receptions numbers.

I know I wouldn't want to get drafted by the Steelers. It hasn't been one bad offensive season. We are at over half a decade of bad offensive output. And it is all scheme and philosophy. It all points to one person.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

So is it a bad thing that Harris got 4000 yards? And if he was a 3rd pick do you think he still would be with the team?

Not implying 4000 is a bad thing at all

Quite the opposite: that he wasn’t a “fail” as suggested but more so an overdraft by the Steelers. I’d call 4000 in 4 years a solid pick…a great pick if it was in the 3rd.

If he was a 3rd he likely would still be here imo as the decline of a 5th year option never plays out and he is likely signed to a 2-3 year extension as 3rd round RBs wouldn’t command too much $$$.

Hopefully the new acquisition plays out along these lines and gets over 4000 and is resigned.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Goff is emerging as an elite QB

Hard to deny the man when his last 3 seasons he’s averaged 32 TDs and over 4500 passing per year.

We’d lose our minds with that type of QB production.

A couple other guys tryna break through as “elite” too but the young bucks need to repeat for a few years before dubbing them elite, imo

But to your point there are far more teams than elite QBs, but there’s more than that group of 4 listed…it may just be a couple/few more but there’s more than 4 (heck until Lamar does something in the playoffs I’m not sure I dub him “elite”- he’s got about a two year window before he becomes the Tomlin of QBs)

He is top 10 but wouldn’t call him elite. Really good. I agree on Lamar but the consensus is he is elite. Those 4 are the only consensus the rest are debatable to higher degree based on various factors. Yeah I would not complain to have Goff.

 

[Litos]

Lol.....I think maybe you skipped your meds today.

Seriously though. Seems you go unhinged with everyone who disagrees with you on any subject.

Maybe you should tell him to find another sport to follow or something.

he needs less caffeine

 

[Badcat]

He is top 10 but wouldn’t call him elite. Really good. I agree on Lamar but the consensus is he is elite. Those 4 are the only consensus the rest are debatable to higher degree based on various factors. Yeah I would not complain to have Goff.

"Elite" QB's really is perception based and usually reserved for players who Consistently lead their respective teams to successful championship runs. However, as we discussed, some QBs have elite teams around them like Jalen Hurts so how can anyone really tell if the QB is "elite"? Next gen stats can be manipulated to build a narrative that is ridiculous. Case in point, how about we rank the top QB's by passing TD's (25+) and only include QB's with a QBR score over 100.

1. Burrow - 43
2. Jackson - 41
3. Mayfield - 41
4. Goff - 37
5. Darnold - 35
6. Allen - 28
7. Daniels - 25

Mahomes? Hasn't had a QBR over 100 since 2022. Baker Mayfield top 3 QB in the league? Pfffttttt. See what I mean?

 

[jitter77]

He is top 10 but wouldn’t call him elite. Really good. I agree on Lamar but the consensus is he is elite. Those 4 are the only consensus the rest are debatable to higher degree based on various factors. Yeah I would not complain to have Goff.

Goff is very good, but I don't think i would call him elite. He seems to have those bone headed games at bad times. The Rams must have saw something they didn't like if they dumped him for Stafford. I think Daniels has potential to move into the elite category and possibly Stroud. I'm curious to see how Nix does this season. He kinda came out of nowhere last season and started lighting it up at the end of the year

 

[gk1951]

The nice thing for Pickens being a Cowboy is if and when he catches a TD pass and does the “gun shooting” motion he can just say he is the Cowboy mascot,

 

[Sarge]

Being that they are up against the cap every year, for example, I think your argument is not valid.

The reason Rooney is spending up to the cap is because he’s making plenty of money every year. The minute that changes, they’ll become the Pittsburgh Pirates in a hurry. He’s going to protect his bottom line first and foremost. He’s not unique in that regard, any franchise or business owner would do the same.

 

[diver]

The reason Rooney is spending up to the cap is because he’s making plenty of money every year. The minute that changes, they’ll become the Pittsburgh Pirates in a hurry. He’s going to protect his bottom line first and foremost. He’s not unique in that regard, any franchise or business owner would do the same.

First of all, I don't see the money they make changing. It's pretty much guaranteed with the TV contracts and other things.

But what I am trying to say is that the accusation has been made that Rooney puts the money he makes over winning. I really do think that is as harsh and accusation you can make about the owner of a sports team, and it requires proof, not speculation. I am of the belief that the decisions Rooney makes as it pertains to the coach specifically is about tradition, about doing it the way they have always done it, because it has been successful. I don't think he is making those decisions to protect his bottom line. I don't agree with them keeping Mike Tomlin, either, but I don't think it's about staying just competitive enough to make his money and nothing else matters. That has been the accusation of some on here.

I'll ask this question again...I haven't gotten a response yet. If you really believe Rooney is about his money over winning, why still be a fan? I am not questioning anyone's fandom, or saying they have to believe the way I believe or whatever, but if you believe it's money over winning it's kind of hopeless. What is the point?

 

[WindyCitySteel]

"Elite" QB's really is perception based and usually reserved for players who Consistently lead their respective teams to successful championship runs. However, as we discussed, some QBs have elite teams around them like Jalen Hurts so how can anyone really tell if the QB is "elite"? Next gen stats can be manipulated to build a narrative that is ridiculous. Case in point, how about we rank the top QB's by passing TD's (25+) and only include QB's with a QBR score over 100.

1. Burrow - 43
2. Jackson - 41
3. Mayfield - 41
4. Goff - 37
5. Darnold - 35
6. Allen - 28
7. Daniels - 25

Mahomes? Hasn't had a QBR over 100 since 2022. Baker Mayfield top 3 QB in the league? Pfffttttt. See what I mean?

You’re citing passer rating, not QBR. QBR is more context based, like PFF grades, both include running. Here are last year’s QBR rankings:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

Passer rating is an outdated stat, one that fooled a lot of Steeler fans into thinking that Mitch Trubisky was a good acquisition. QBR is better, but PFF includes the best contextual information, IMO. Drops and INTs that result from drops do not punish the QB for PFF. Conversely, if an INT is dropped, the QB is rightfully dinged.

 

[Badcat]

You’re citing passer rating, not QBR. QBR is more context based, like PFF grades, both include running. Here are last year’s QBR rankings:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

Passer rating is an outdated stat, one that fooled a lot of Steeler fans into thinking that Mitch Trubisky was a good acquisition. QBR is better, but PFF includes the best contextual information, IMO. Drops and INTs that result from drops do not punish the QB for PFF. Conversely, if an INT is dropped, the QB is rightfully dinged.

I stand corrected, thank you good sir!

 

[Lloyd]

I don't know what's forbidden to post these days in here but Pickens posted on SI social media:

“THEY THE CHEAPEST ORGANIZATION. AIN’T NO STACKING YEAR AFTER YEAR THEY GONE LET THEM N*GGAS GO TOO SOON AS IT’S TIME LMAO”

They had him take it down but the damage was done. The Rooneys ain't getting rid of that rep so easy.

 

[speedicut]

I think the real damage was the crappy English used.

 

[Coryea]

I forgot Watt and Minkah were the highest paid at their position when they signed their contract. Don't act like a lazy piece of sh!t and maybe you'd get paid.

 

[Lloyd]

I think the real damage was the crappy English used.

Crappy English? You must be new to the culture. A large segment of society finds nothing wrong with that English. Are you really unfamiliar with African-American speech?

“THEY THE CHEAPEST ORGANIZATION. AIN’T NO STACKING YEAR AFTER YEAR THEY GONE LET THEM N*GGAS GO TOO SOON AS IT’S TIME LMAO”

 

[speedicut]

I live in a town that's 47% black, so I know Black speech better than most.
And it's crappy English.

 

[Lloyd]

I live in a town that's 47% black, so I know Black speech better than most.
And it's crappy English.

Only in your mind, it's perfectly acceptable to many people.

“THEY THE CHEAPEST ORGANIZATION. AIN’T NO STACKING YEAR AFTER YEAR THEY GONE LET THEM N*GGAS GO TOO SOON AS IT’S TIME LMAO”

 

[WindyCitySteel]

Imagine being upset that this guy got traded.

 

[slashsteel]

Crappy English? You must be new to the culture. A large segment of society finds nothing wrong with that English. Are you really unfamiliar with African-American speech?

“THEY THE CHEAPEST ORGANIZATION. AIN’T NO STACKING YEAR AFTER YEAR THEY GONE LET THEM N*GGAS GO TOO SOON AS IT’S TIME LMAO”

Cooch you have always bordered on racist,

I think you just crossed the border.

SMH

 

[Litos]

I don't know what's forbidden to post these days in here but Pickens posted on SI social media:

“THEY THE CHEAPEST ORGANIZATION. AIN’T NO STACKING YEAR AFTER YEAR THEY GONE LET THEM N*GGAS GO TOO SOON AS IT’S TIME LMAO”

They had him take it down but the damage was done. The Rooneys ain't getting rid of that rep so easy.

that message just shows how the Steelers won that trade no matter whatever happens next. The rooneys are gonna look like geniuses for getting rid of that growing cancer

 

[Badcat]

Cooch you have always bordered on racist,

I think you just crossed the border.

SMH

Just wait, Cooch will be liquored up here shortly and then his true thoughts on "people who talk like this" will come to light.