Put the two 6 TD games on the shelf for a minute...

[RollRedRoll]

If you do that, you have a QB that's thrown 14 TD's and 8 picks in 10 games. As far as this fan is concerned, the two today don't even matter because they occured in complete garbage time, but we have to count them nonetheless. Don't think he'll be getting many MVP votes with those numbers. Basically in 10 of 12 games this year, he's Andy Dalton or Brian Hoyer. The point of the thread is simply this.... Should the Steelers break the bank with a max contract for this guy? There's no doubt in my mind that they will, but should they... really? I for one am convinced that he's never getting better. I'm convinced that this team is always going to struggle to score as long as he's under center. Don't get me wrong, I think he's.a pretty good QB. But with all the needs this team has, does anyone believe that a 32 year old Ben is worth a contract north of $20 million a year? That kind of scratch should only go to QB's that can carry a team... that can consistently put enough points on the board to win games with an average/below average defense. I just don't think a 20-25 TD pass per year QB that has always shown a propensity to struggle in the redzone is worth the money it's no doubt going to take to keep him.

 

[AggieSteel]

Truth

Unfortunately he's getting the money

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I just can't figure out how he can do stuff like that then go out and play like **** the next few games.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Always been my wonder too!!!!!!! Remember when he had a foot injury and they had him line up in the pistal the whole time? He had to quick pass constantly and pulled it off. Why can't he read a defense now days? Today, i din't see him look off anyopne, not much for pump fakes either.




Salute the nation

 

[topseed]

If you do that, you have a QB that's thrown 14 TD's and 8 picks in 10 games. As far as this fan is concerned, the two today don't even matter because they occured in complete garbage time, but we have to count them nonetheless. Don't think he'll be getting many MVP votes with those numbers. Basically in 10 of 12 games this year, he's Andy Dalton or Brian Hoyer. The point of the thread is simply this.... Should the Steelers break the bank with a max contract for this guy? There's no doubt in my mind that they will, but should they... really? I for one am convinced that he's never getting better. I'm convinced that this team is always going to struggle to score as long as he's under center. Don't get me wrong, I think he's.a pretty good QB. But with all the needs this team has, does anyone believe that a 32 year old Ben is worth a contract north of $20 million a year? That kind of scratch should only go to QB's that can carry a team... that can consistently put enough points on the board to win games with an average/below average defense. I just don't think a 20-25 TD pass per year QB that has always shown a propensity to struggle in the redzone is worth the money it's no doubt going to take to keep him.

I happen to agree with you, but if you don't think Ben should get another monster contract, get prepared be called an idiot, a moron, or a ********.

 

[hook]

So what do we do. Invest the money on a bunch of oft injured linebackers (unless they get.cut first) or use it on a bunch of high round offensive linemen that can't block. Wait, we've done that too. This team is a friggn mess and I feel the coaching staff needs to be.addressed first and foremost.

 

[Punxsutawney]

They should break the bank on Tomlin instead.

Roethlisberger is not Rodgers, Peyton or Brady, but he is still a very good NFL QB, who over the course of a season, basically guarantees you 7 or 8 wins on his own.

He is NOT the type of QB who can consistently "carry a team," but is it his fault the team around him,pertaining to blocking and tackling, has been garbage?

I still think there are coaches out there who can get more out of Roethlisberger and the Steelers as a whole than Tomlin, but, in the grand scheme of things, my opinion means about as much as what I clogged toilet with the other day.

 

[FAB802]

It's the rock and a hard place thing. This franchise searched for a good QB for well over a decade, it won't be easy to let one walk. In spite of his WTF moments he can still win ball games. Today he struggled bad, it's another one of those what if games. This time the QB on the other side was great, so once we were down double digits we weren't catching them.

 

[slashsteel]

Ben isn't this teams problem coaching and bad personnel decisions are.


Lets take out the two 6 TD games !

SMH

Lets take out Bens two worst games ohhhhhhh don't want to do that?

ridiculous

 

[LeXX75]

these type a threads are such a waste...u dont get to cherry pick..u wanna say Ben isnt worth a big contract say it...thats fine but dont try and prove your point by saying well if he didnt throw 6 TDs in 2 games he would only be this or that...

 

[steelhurt]

I like Ben and he's had some special games over the past 11 seasons and some of the things that come to mind is his rookie season, the playoff run his second season that got us to the SB, the memorable SB against the Cards especially the last drive. There are so many highlights in his career in Pittsburgh but I don't know now if we've seen the best already.

I thought earlier in the season that we may have his best football in front of him but I'm not so sure that was a sound evaluation. He may have reached his potential and now he levels out with the occasional great game but the consistency is not there. I think the one thing that I've noticed he doesn't seem to see the entire field as well as he used to where he seems to miss the wide open receiver to force it where e shouldn't throw it. And Ben has really never been a student of the game. I don't think he studies the tendencies and weaknesses that the elite QB's seem to exploit. I think he's more reactionary and still playground type of a QB which in today's game isn't translating as it once did with success.

A decision must be made after this season where he has a final season plus an option year on his contract to pay him or to move him. As you say, if you commit 20 million per season it handicaps the team to sign free agents not that we would know who the **** to sign anyway with dumb and dumber calling the shots. Who knows, Arizona needs a QB and BA would most likely love to bring Ben out West and it could extend his career. Hay, if the compensation is right, they may entertain such an offer to move him there. Either way, there will have to be monumental decisions made after this season and Ben's future here will be one of them.

 

[steelbush]

If you do that, you have a QB that's thrown 14 TD's and 8 picks in 10 games. As far as this fan is concerned, the two today don't even matter because they occured in complete garbage time, but we have to count them nonetheless. Don't think he'll be getting many MVP votes with those numbers. Basically in 10 of 12 games this year, he's Andy Dalton or Brian Hoyer. The point of the thread is simply this.... Should the Steelers break the bank with a max contract for this guy? There's no doubt in my mind that they will, but should they... really? I for one am convinced that he's never getting better. I'm convinced that this team is always going to struggle to score as long as he's under center. Don't get me wrong, I think he's.a pretty good QB. But with all the needs this team has, does anyone believe that a 32 year old Ben is worth a contract north of $20 million a year? That kind of scratch should only go to QB's that can carry a team... that can consistently put enough points on the board to win games with an average/below average defense. I just don't think a 20-25 TD pass per year QB that has always shown a propensity to struggle in the redzone is worth the money it's no doubt going to take to keep him.

Depending on how the season ends I think will determine if Ben gets a max contract. I personally dont think he will. I see could Ben getting an offer in the 4yr/70million range with like 35 guaranteed. I wouldnt mind paying Ben a contract of that magnitude. Offensively we are very close to being very good, I truly believe that. Probably the best RB in the league (running and receiving) and a top 3 WR. We have the skill set guys in place. I dont think we want to waste the talent of these young men trying to bring a new QB up to speed. Ben is a top 10 QB...probably top 8. This has been stated to death but finding a consistent franchise type QB is the hardest thing in the NFL to do. Most teams never do.

So to answer your proposition.....yes. I think its def worth it to pay Ben big money to work with what we already have in position. After Ben retires the chances are pretty dam good this thing will get messy. Colts and Packers are only two teams that I can think of that got lucky enough to snag franchise QBs after losing one.

 

[Steel Ballin]

Ryan Fitzpatrick threw 6 TD's today so yeah.....you can throw out those games for Ben. Not that big a deal these days. Ben has **** the bed more than he has carried this team. He doesn't deserve another big payday but we know he will get it. Look at what this generous FO did with Cortez and Worlids.

 

[ExUSAF]

I happen to agree with you, but if you don't think Ben should get another monster contract, get prepared be called an idiot, a moron, or a ********.

Hmm. Sounds like you read some of the responses to my statements on this subject about letting Ben walk. I'm not sure what a "franchise" quarterback is anymore, but I don't see Ben as fitting the bill. Franchise is as franchise does and missing open receivers and throwing picks in the red zone don't qualify. As a franchise QB, Bradshaw had bad games, no doubt about it, but you could count on him to be money when the big games were on the line. When New Orleans took the 21 - 6 lead, I pretty much knew it was over.

Ben getting or not getting a new contract isn't the big issue - it's whether or not we keep our mediocre coaching staff in place. In both cases, prepare to be disappointed.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Also, he is playing behind a QUESTIONABLE line to top it off. Ben can and will win games. He has a lot of tools in his tool box. Just sometimes, I think he is in slow motion, thinking wise. True, it is hard to find a HOF QB, we will break the bank for him. I still think it is a HC problem.



Salute the nation

 

[Punxsutawney]

The more I think about it, the more I think the Steelers should move on from Roethlisberger, as it will pretty much ensure the end of Tomlin, given that 2-14/3-13 record the Steelers will put up without Roethlisberger.

 

[slashsteel]

Oh that does it just bring Ryan Fitzpatrick aboard he can replace Ben easily !

Go back to Brister, Kordell. and Malone........

it isn't the coaches its Ben ! he doesn't deserve a big contract a scrub can replace him

brilliant @ WTF.com

 

[Stainless]

If you only look at the two 6 TD games, he's worth way more than 20 million. If my math is correct, that would translate into 327 td's per season.

 

[steelbush]

Also, he is playing behind a QUESTIONABLE line to top it off. Ben can and will win games. He has a lot of tools in his tool box. Just sometimes, I think he is in slow motion, thinking wise. True, it is hard to find a HOF QB, we will break the bank for him. I still think it is a HC problem.



Salute the nation

Totally agree that this is more of a HC and OC problem then Big Ben problem. Look at Bens TD and INTs the last 2 seasons and this season....how many QBs that put up TD and INT ratios like that are consistently finishing 8-8?

 

[hamster]

I was at the game today, in a vantage point to see the whole field. I can tell you that Ben was making rookie type mistakes. He is not seeing the whole field. Put the interceptions aside, and they were bad, there were times when he had AB wide open down field, and had no clue. I thought his line did a pretty good job of protecting him today, so it wasn't like he was running for his life.

We all know our defense sucks, and the O has to carry us this year. Well, I have some bad news. They ain't gonna carry us.

 

[slashsteel]

I was at the game today, in a vantage point to see the whole field. I can tell you that Ben was making rookie type mistakes. He is not seeing the whole field. Put the interceptions aside, and they were bad, there were times when he had AB wide open down field, and had no clue. I thought his line did a pretty good job of protecting him today, so it wasn't like he was running for his life.

We all know our defense sucks, and the O has to carry us this year. Well, I have some bad news. They ain't gonna carry us.

was there too///

agree sort of

Ben comes out of the gates too slow - agree

who prepares the team and gets them ready to start hot or cold?

I think we know the answer

 

[SteelerFan448]

The more I think about it, the more I think the Steelers should move on from Roethlisberger, as it will pretty much ensure the end of Tomlin, given that 2-14/3-13 record the Steelers will put up without Roethlisberger.

Yep, can you imagine the studs that they will be able to draft with the extra first that they trade Roethlisberger for?

 

[Stainless]

The interception on the pass to Heyward-Bey was a big dummy play. We ain't got time for that.

 

[slashsteel]

Yep, can you imagine the studs that they will be able to draft with the extra first that they trade Roethlisberger for?

our last two number 1s have been hurt a decent amount of time

I can just imagine the possibilities

 

[Steel Ballin]

The interception on the pass to Heyward-Bey was a big dummy play. We ain't got time for that.

.....not to mention Robinson's dropped pick 6 and the good DB play by Brown to prevent another pick. Yeah....HOF'er alright.