Put the two 6 TD games on the shelf for a minute...

[Steelz]

was there too///

agree sort of

Ben comes out of the gates too slow - agree

who prepares the team and gets them ready to start hot or cold?

I think we know the answer

Like really, what do you really expect/want a coach to do? They don't have magical controllers. They can't control how high or low a QB throws a ball. They can't dictate who a QB throws a ball to while he's looking for a open WR. Coaches do the same exact thing every week... Condition a team/look at film/run plays, I know this may shock you but that's what a coach do. They also don't use deep freezers or sauna's to "start hot or cold"... If a player's starts the game that way then they're just having that type of day.

The key word here for the players, particulary Ben is inconsistent. Ben is the most inconsistent QB I know at Times. HOF one week, rookie QB next week.

 

[Superman]

You can't cherry pick games, take this away, take that away. Yeah he had a bad day, but he wasn't the only one, Adams was getting owned by number 94, Bryant dropped a TD pass, Bell had a 3rd down pass hit him right in the palms, Miller tripped on what would've been an easy TD catch.
The problem is Ben has to play damn near perfect for this team to win, no QB plays perfect games. Dalton threw three INTs and won, Rodgers missed on a few ooccasions, including a wide open guy for a TD, hell he held the ball longer than Ben does waiting for guys to get open, one play he ran almost to the LOS then ran back a yard or two and took a sack, Brady wasn't franchise like yesterday, Manning I think was under 200yards and won.

Miller was pushing his walker as fast as he could. that pass was uncatchable as soon as it was released.

 

[Coryea]

Miller was pushing his walker as fast as he could. that pass was uncatchable as soon as it was released.

haha.
The was an easy catch if he doesn't fall, he wasn't that far from it after he fell.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Ben was playing like crap before he hit his hand. First play of the game he was off. Wheaton had a step. He high and wide before and after he hit his hand.

I wont complain too much about that Wheaton pass. Although Wheaton had him by a step, that is a difficult throw.

The ones that were truly frustrating were the over throws to wide open Bell and AB, that would have been easy first downs. Or the 2 ugly overthrows to Miller at the conclusion of the 2nd quarter- that could have led to at least 3 points.

 

[antdrewjosh]

I wont complain too much about that Wheaton pass. Although Wheaton had him by a step, that is a difficult throw.

The ones that were truly frustrating were the over throws to wide open Bell and AB, that would have been easy first downs. Or the 2 ugly overthrows to Miller at the conclusion of the 2nd quarter- that could have led to at least 3 points.

Nope not easy but plays he should make with way more regularity.

 

[insaniti]

Ben was playing like crap before he hit his hand. First play of the game he was off. Wheaton had a step. He high and wide before and after he hit his hand.

First drive Bens incomplete passes were a flea flicker that he had to throw the ball away, and a pass that Bryant should have had.

Second drive a deep pass to wheaton while being pressured, and a pass to Bell while being pressured. Both times pressure came from the right side.

Third drive, the bubble screen where the TE just lets the CB right by him without even an effort to block. The next pass play is a strike to AB and Ben hits his wrist.

If you call that playing like crap, a whopping 9 pass attempts, 3 of which he faced heavy pressure, one was a 50/50 shot deep ball, one a great defensive read and horrible execution by the TD, and 3 completions. That puts one pass before he hit his hands where you might say Ben missed him.

Again, Mike Adams was starting at RT and Cameron Jordan had a field day. Adams was bull rushed, ran around, pushed aside, and wasn't given much help. When he did get help, Beachum would hold, or there was a false start. The OL did not help at all, Ben was under pressure all game long, but you guys want him to be absolutely perfect on every throw. Up and down with you people. Ben is great, Ben is a bum... Tunnel vision with most of you, can't see the entire picture. Can only concentrate on one thing. Want to know how bad of a day Adams had, most of Bells good runs were to the left side. He sucked, was the worst player on the field. I put more blame on him than I do on Ben. And I put even more blame on the Defense than anything.

 

[antdrewjosh]

I could of sworn the first play of the game he overthrew Wheaton?? But i was drinking. Brees was under pressure and managed to complete some big throws.

And yes the defense cant get a turnover either. But still I expect more from Ben. He is our best player. Well actually I think Bell is playing like our best player.

 

[Superman]

first play of the game was the deep attempt to Wheaton

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=400554359&period=1

1st Quarter Play-by-Play
Pittsburgh at 15:00 NOR PIT
1st and 10 at PIT 20 (15:00) B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete deep middle to M.Wheaton. Coverage by 28-Lewis.

 

[insaniti]

I mentioned the first pass to Wheaton in the second part of my post, forgot to put it in the first... but it's there, and doesn't change the fact that he had 9 pass attempts COUNTING the one he hit his hand on.

 

[madtacker]

Have you watched this team the last three seasons? Or are you a first-yr steeler fan??

No I am a 45 yr Steeler fan.

And what I have witnessed is a team in the rebuilding stage with their defense.

A 11 Qb who has a star receiver, a stud running back, a damn good tight end. and a improved line.

I believe the plan was for the offense to carry this team while they were rebuilding the defense..

And for the last 3 years when he doesn't have a elite defense to hold them in the game for 3 and a half qrts and hope he pulls a rabbit out of his *** they look like crap.

It was real simple yesterday. Brees made the throws and Ben didn't.

They have a crap defense as much as we do. They have been getting exploited all season. Not by our Offense though.

If they jump up 14 -0 that game goes a lot different.

 

[Superman]

I mentioned the first pass to Wheaton in the second part of my post, forgot to put it in the first... but it's there, and doesn't change the fact that he had 9 pass attempts COUNTING the one he hit his hand on.

and the majority of those were off.

 

[insaniti]

and the majority of those were off.

I guess having pressure in your face for half of them doesn't matter at all? On the flea flicker, Bell should have just kept the ball, when he pitched it back Lewis was there unblocked, and Beachum was getting destroyed on the left side. It's amazing to me how much of these plays you guys actually miss. All you see is where the pass was, not how it was thrown, who was around him, the pocket or lack thereof... SMH

 

[antdrewjosh]

I guess having pressure in your face for half of them doesn't matter at all? On the flea flicker, Bell should have just kept the ball, when he pitched it back Lewis was there unblocked, and Beachum was getting destroyed on the left side. It's amazing to me how much of these plays you guys actually miss. All you see is where the pass was, not how it was thrown, who was around him, the pocket or lack thereof... SMH

I saw Aaron Rogers put a pass right on the WR chest while taking a hit yesterday. Ben was off yesterday even when he had time.

 

[insaniti]

And Ben put it right on the money to AB the play his hand got hit, hit him right in stride. You said he stunk all day, you blamed the loss on him. He didn't have much time at all, not with Mike Adams at RT and Cameron Jordan having his way with him. The stat line says Ben had two INT's, when it was clearly just one. The batted ball was ALL on Mike Adams.

I saw Ben throw high a couple times after his hand was hit and he wasn't following thru, probably because his wrist was still a little stiff. I also saw him stick some balls in the Miller across the middle, I saw him hit AB for two TD's while being pressured. I also watched Rodgers miss a wide open WR, I saw Brady look like a rookie at times when he was pressured. Fault Ben all you want, it just shows how little you know about actual football. NO player, not even our great Ben the magician Roethlisberger is going to make the perfect throw every time he is pressured. The Saints gameplan was to hit Ben and keep him in the pocket, they did a damn good job of that too. But clearly, it was all Ben's fault...

I know what it was, Archer wasn't able to chip on Jordan and get free into the flat so that AB could be wide open. I figured out what went wrong yesterday, forgive me please...

 

[antdrewjosh]

Lol. Sad you have to resort to this because we disagree. Ben was off before his injury and after. I blamed him because football is a game of momentum and when we had it our Franchise Qb supposedly best player pissed it away.. I didnt say anything about the tipped int. Not his fault. The inaccuracy was. The int in the end was a dumb read on a play he had time. Im not asking for perfection im asking he play to what he is supposed to be. The best player on our team. The player our offense is built thru. How often is he the best player on the field? Sometimes he isnt even the best Qb on the field.

What does Archer have to do with this?? Oh i know nothing.

 

[Wingman]

And Ben put it right on the money to AB the play his hand got hit, hit him right in stride. You said he stunk all day, you blamed the loss on him. He didn't have much time at all, not with Mike Adams at RT and Cameron Jordan having his way with him. The stat line says Ben had two INT's, when it was clearly just one. The batted ball was ALL on Mike Adams.

I saw Ben throw high a couple times after his hand was hit and he wasn't following thru, probably because his wrist was still a little stiff. I also saw him stick some balls in the Miller across the middle, I saw him hit AB for two TD's while being pressured. I also watched Rodgers miss a wide open WR, I saw Brady look like a rookie at times when he was pressured. Fault Ben all you want, it just shows how little you know about actual football. NO player, not even our great Ben the magician Roethlisberger is going to make the perfect throw every time he is pressured. The Saints gameplan was to hit Ben and keep him in the pocket, they did a damn good job of that too. But clearly, it was all Ben's fault...

I know what it was, Archer wasn't able to chip on Jordan and get free into the flat so that AB could be wide open. I figured out what went wrong yesterday, forgive me please...

So your telling everyone that Ben can not see two guys that are over 250 lbs and over 6 feet tall just a few feet away and that HE did not decide to throw the ball right over the guy from the other team? A slight shift or step makes a huge difference in that scenario as does throwing the ball higher. It my be just me but Ben Throwing the ball to a place that is occupied by a defender is on Ben.

 

[Xc944]

It's never bens fault that he can't take a team without a top 5 scoring defense to the playoffs. All other good qbs also struggle with that exact same problem.

 

[Vader]

It's never bens fault that he can't take a team without a top 5 scoring defense to the playoffs. All other good qbs also struggle with that exact same problem.

Most Qbs struggle with that. Brady hasn't won a SB since his defense slipped. Wilson isn't even in the playoffs without his defense. Same with Kapper in S.F. Elway carried the Broncos all those years and couldn't win a SB until they got a defense and a running game. Marino could carry his team during the regular season but he couldn't do everything. Qbs need help. You can't expect to win when your defense gives up 35 points. Ben played a bad game. However the defense isn't just not top 5, they are 28th in passing Tds allowed, 22nd in points give up overall, and 28 in yards given up per pass. Along with a lot of other bad stats.

Whoever wins the SB this year won't have a defense with those stats regardless of who the QB is at the time.

 

[stuntmanmike]

I agree with this post. Ben was ok when we had a defense that carried the team now that he has to carry us he can't do it consistently. Watched Green Bay and the cheateriots, Brady and Rodgers go at it and couldn't help feel Ben and us are not in their league.

 

[Coryea]

I agree with this post. Ben was ok when we had a defense that carried the team now that he has to carry us he can't do it consistently. Watched Green Bay and the cheateriots, Brady and Rodgers go at it and couldn't help feel Ben and us are not in their league.

if the Steelers played GB or NE how many points do you think the defense would give up?
NE's defense only gave up 26 points to Rodgers, GB's defense only gave up 21 to Brady, their defenses aren't that bad.

 

[topseed]

Probably the first post in this thread that has made any sense at all. The bubble screen that was sniffed out, the TE just ignores the DB. That's his ONLY job on the play, get in his way, slow him down even slightly. People are also forgetting that Mike Adams started at RT, and Jordan was in his face ALL day. They are also completely ignoring the hit Ben took on his hand as he released. They didn't even call a pass play until 5 plays later. That's when his passes started to sail high. Ben didn't play great, but he didn't get much help from the OL, the D started off well and then got shredded. The Saints go deep A LOT, and we bit on every single double move they made. We couldn't stop their running game, which made playaction even harder to defend.

We had stupid penalties at crucial times during drives, stupid PRE snap penalties. Lots of blame to go around, but you can't judge Ben's game without bringing up the hit to the wrist, and lack of protection from the right side.

First drive Bens incomplete passes were a flea flicker that he had to throw the ball away, and a pass that Bryant should have had.

Second drive a deep pass to wheaton while being pressured, and a pass to Bell while being pressured. Both times pressure came from the right side.

Third drive, the bubble screen where the TE just lets the CB right by him without even an effort to block. The next pass play is a strike to AB and Ben hits his wrist.

If you call that playing like crap, a whopping 9 pass attempts, 3 of which he faced heavy pressure, one was a 50/50 shot deep ball, one a great defensive read and horrible execution by the TD, and 3 completions. That puts one pass before he hit his hands where you might say Ben missed him.

Again, Mike Adams was starting at RT and Cameron Jordan had a field day. Adams was bull rushed, ran around, pushed aside, and wasn't given much help. When he did get help, Beachum would hold, or there was a false start. The OL did not help at all, Ben was under pressure all game long, but you guys want him to be absolutely perfect on every throw. Up and down with you people. Ben is great, Ben is a bum... Tunnel vision with most of you, can't see the entire picture. Can only concentrate on one thing. Want to know how bad of a day Adams had, most of Bells good runs were to the left side. He sucked, was the worst player on the field. I put more blame on him than I do on Ben. And I put even more blame on the Defense than anything.

I guess having pressure in your face for half of them doesn't matter at all? On the flea flicker, Bell should have just kept the ball, when he pitched it back Lewis was there unblocked, and Beachum was getting destroyed on the left side. It's amazing to me how much of these plays you guys actually miss. All you see is where the pass was, not how it was thrown, who was around him, the pocket or lack thereof... SMH

Wait, did Ben have somebody in his face ALL day? Or was it 33% of the time? Or half the time?

You seem to be confused, but as always, the one thing you're able to concentrate on is making excuses for Ben.


Whether pressured or not, Ben was erratic for most of the game, except for the last two meaningless drives. Did his widdle hand suddenly get all better in garbage time?

 

[insaniti]

Wait, did Ben have somebody in his face ALL day? Or was it 33% of the time? Or half the time?

You seem to be confused, but as always, the one thing you're able to concentrate on is making excuses for Ben.


Whether pressured or not, Ben was erratic for most of the game, except for the last two meaningless drives. Did his widdle hand suddenly get all better in garbage time?

It's an expression, but I would expect nothing less than this type of argument from you. If you actually read my posts, I said Ben had an off game, but he wasn't horrible like people were saying. We have one poster who places the entire loss on Ben, completely ignoring the fact that the OL couldn't stop the Saints DL on passing downs, and absolving the defense entirely. I'm sorry if I can see the larger picture, I'm sorry that I understand that 9 pass attempts is hardly a whole body of work to claim "he was missing people WAY before the injury to his hand". I also stated that his wrist was likely still tight from the hit, in the cold weather it takes a while to get something like that to loosen up. I'm sure you've never experienced anything like that sitting behind your keyboard pretending you know things.

Pressured or not? Really?? So now pressure doesn't matter. Quick, how do you stop Tom Brady? Pressure him up the middle. How do you stop Peyton Manning? Pressure him from the edges. How do you stop Ben Roethlisberger? Pressure him and keep him in the pocket. Can anyone tell me what the Saints were able to do against Ben? Who was started RT for the game?

I'm done with you, crawl back into your "widdle" hole.

 

[antdrewjosh]

I still stand by what I say. When the defense was playing well and we had a chance to sieze momentum Ben was playing like crap. No one is ignoring that he had pressure. Still those passes must be completed. Sometimes the pocket will not be clean. Stand in there and make throws. We dont excuse WRs for drops because the CBs were close to him. Make plays. Ben wasnt the only reason we lost but he was the main reason. We all knew the offense was going to have to carry this team. We talked about it all off season.

 

[wig]

Dudes, I keep telling you. We got Landry Jones just F'n WAITIN!

Cut Roethlisberger. Don't waste your time with this trade ****. If you TRADE him you have to pay whoever you GET for him. That means cap space. Hell with that. In THIS day's NFL any QB can throw for 5000 yards in a season.

So here's what you do. Cut Roethlisberger, don't even let him play out his contract as you'll have to pay that last year. Cut him and eat the last bit of cap space. There's no way around it unless you can trade him for a special teams coach that has a salary of like 25k. Maybe that would work somehow. Or maybe trade him for a trainer or something. Or a kid who gophers balls during practice. They work for free right? Trade him for that. The other team eats his cap, we get a homely kid with bad acne and no pricetag. THERE YOU GO!

Then we start our phenom Landry Jones. We see NO HICCUP WHATSOEVER in our offensive performance because this is today YO! It's a passing league *******!

Soon as Jones rookie contract expires, we let him walk. Cause by then we already got our next undrafted rookie QB who's gonna be our next Phenom nom nom!

Meanwhile, we dump Gradkowski because we're paying him too much. Why waste money on a backup in a league that doesn't need high priced guys when you can pick up an undrafted guy, pay him league minimum and still get pro-bowl numbers out of him.

If we're lucky, we can trade Roethlisberger inside the division. We know all his weaknesses. Every single week we can roll out Jones and watch Landry DEMOLISH -19 Ben. (I call him that because of the arbitrary number of touchdowns I choose to take away during a given season.) This year it's 19. Man he SUCKS. If he had 19 more touchdowns he'd be better. But since I on my own and with no particular reason whatsoever decided to ignore 19 of them he looks pretty lousy.

So dudes, JOIN ME. Let the LANDRY ERA Begin!

Landry

Landry

Landry

Dudes... I can't even hear you.

Landry

Landry

Landry

Seriously... are you even trying?

Landry

Landry

Landry

Whatever. Be like that.

*******.

 

[Coryea]

I still stand by what I say. When the defense was playing well and we had a chance to sieze momentum Ben was playing like crap. No one is ignoring that he had pressure. Still those passes must be completed. Sometimes the pocket will not be clean. Stand in there and make throws. We dont excuse WRs for drops because the CBs were close to him. Make plays. Ben wasnt the only reason we lost but he was the main reason. We all knew the offense was going to have to carry this team. We talked about it all off season.

No one seems pissed Bryant dropped a TD that hit him right in the hands that would've made it 10-0 I believe. Ben was off for sure, but Bryant dropped a TD, Bell had a 3rd down pass go right through his hands that he usually catches, and Miller tripped over the goal line on what would've been an easy TD catch and wouldve made the score 28-20.