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Trying to stick around this time.
You can tell by all the golden idols
I don't know how religious I am. I believe in Jesus Christ and the Lord our God. What befuddles me is why some folks spend so much time trying to debunk something they don't believe in. What is the point? Do you think that whether you believe or not that you will convince someone that what you believe is right? Or is it more just to be insulting? For the most part, I laugh at atheists for the way they go about disbelieving. It is kinda dumb. I mean, I don't think that a bunch of molecules roaming around at random has this great of a sense of humor to make the human race as moronic as we are. Well, Americans, anyway. But I don't go around posting billboards insulting atheists that believe that humans are born from something other than intelligent design. If you believe in God or don't, great. Whatever. Good for you. But why be an *** about it? What do you gain?
What befuddles me is why some folks spend so much time trying to debunk something they don't believe in.
For the most part, I laugh at atheists for the way they go about disbelieving. It is kinda dumb. I mean, I don't think that a bunch of molecules roaming around at random has this great of a sense of humor to make the human race as moronic as we are.
Why do religious people spend so much time trying to debunk other people's beliefs? It's a two-way street.
I don't expect to convince anyone to change their beliefs. But I do enjoy, to an extent, the mental exercise of engaging in the debate, and learning about other peoples' points of view.
For the most part, I laugh at Christians for the way they go about believing. It is kinda dumb. I mean, I don't think that an omnipotent, omniscient God has this great of a sense of humor to make the human race as moronic as we are.
For those of us believers, he didn't make us morons.
He gave us free will/choice.
We make ourselves morons.....and for the most part, we're pretty good at it and don't need help.
I don't know how religious I am. I believe in Jesus Christ and the Lord our God. What befuddles me is why some folks spend so much time trying to debunk something they don't believe in. What is the point? Do you think that whether you believe or not that you will convince someone that what you believe is right? Or is it more just to be insulting? For the most part, I laugh at atheists for the way they go about disbelieving. It is kinda dumb. I mean, I don't think that a bunch of molecules roaming around at random has this great of a sense of humor to make the human race as moronic as we are. Well, Americans, anyway. But I don't go around posting billboards insulting atheists that believe that humans are born from something other than intelligent design. If you believe in God or don't, great. Whatever. Good for you. But why be an *** about it? What do you gain?
All good points Sarge.......Why someone can be offended by something they don't believe in is beyond me. Unicorns don't exist, anyone offended?
Back to the old "free will" debate... So what purpose is served if God creates people that he knows are, by and large, going to let him down? Why does God "hope" that every person somehow overcomes infinite temptations and chooses, however improbably, to lead a perfect life?
It's not our place to question God.
I'm sure if he wanted to, he could have created a bunch of "slaves" if that's what you're getting at.
I can't begin to comprehend God's thought process, but trying to equate it in human terms......If you were the most handsome/prettiest, and had all the money in the world, and men and women falling all over you, and whatever desires/wishes/wants you could ever want, wouldn't you be bored at some point?
I'm almost positive he didn't think we'd be perfect. God even says in the bible that EVERY one falls short of the kingdom. Meaning, nobody's perfect and everyone will sin at some point in some way. EVERYONE.
If I'm purely speculating, which is exactly what I'd be doing, why God gave us free will, would be to see what is truly in the hearts of people to properly judge them.
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I guess God wants people to "prove" themselves and their committment to Him.
I do enjoy, to an extent, the mental exercise of engaging in the debate, and learning about other peoples' points of view.
For the most part, I laugh at Christians for the way they go about believing. It is kinda dumb.
I have zero desire to live for eternity. How amazingly boring. How long until you have seen and done everything? I mean, I guess I would be ok with it if I could be like Batman or something for a while but just wandering around in a field or talking to relatives for centuries upon centuries seems incredibly dull.
You find debating dumb people to be mental exercise? OK.
That's a cop-out. From a faith-based perspective, I understand why you take the position, but philosophically, you're abandoning reason by doing so, and wondering why people trying to engage in reason react negatively to it.
If God exists, I'm sure he could have. My question has more to do with, what is the point of it all? We can dive into the paradox of free will vs. an all-knowing God (again), but I don't imagine anyone will really gain anything from hashing that out once more. God must have created us for a purpose. What is that purpose? If we're not fulfilling that purpose, why would a perfect God bother with keeping us around? So he could "love" us? Funny way of showing it, with all the tragedy and horror in the world that he could prevent. So we could "love" him? What's to love, when no one can even know for certain God exists? The relationship between God and Man is like buying a puppy, and then putting that puppy in a box in the garage and never thinking about it again. It will suffer, wonder what it did to deserve this horrible life, and die alone. I would have found it a lot easier to be a believer had I lived in OT times, when you could reasonably expect to talk to a bush, or see a pillar of fire, or any number of profound miracles.
So you're saying God is bored with us, and decided to go hang out somewhere else? Sort of like the Clock-maker, who creates the universe and lets it just run, without interference, according to natural laws? Only in this case, he tinkered with us for a while before he decided to leave us alone?
Again, I get that. But what's the point? What does God stand to gain from imperfect mankind, assuming that he didn't create us for no purpose at all? If he didn't want slaves, or worshippers, what function do we perform for him? Entertainment?
But, if we apply the logic of the free-will-vs-omniscience debates we've had here in the past, God KNOWS, without predetermining your fate, how you will ultimately be judged. If God knows all things, then he already knows how you will be judged, and has for all time. It's an exercise in futility - why create something that he knows will fail him? What proof can be made to a God that already knows all things, including whether you can "prove" your commitment?
That's a cop-out. From a faith-based perspective, I understand why you take the position, but philosophically, you're abandoning reason by doing so, and wondering why people trying to engage in reason react negatively to it.
I'm not abandoning reasoning and I'm not copping out. Let's again talk humans to equate what I'm trying to say. If a human adult kills a human baby, I/you/we can sit and specualte all we want about WHY that human adult did that. Do you really believe either one of us are capable of knowing what thought process took place in his mind? In legal terms, judges don't allow you to say, "He knew what I was talking about." The judge immediately strikes that from the record. You cannot comment on the operation of another's mind. Same thing here. I can speculate just the same as you, but it doesn't make me right, or you. It makes us both having an opinion that's unprovable. I can't answer for God. In my belief, I don't question God. You can. I understand why non-believers do. I've had extensive conversations about the subject.
If God exists, I'm sure he could have. My question has more to do with, what is the point of it all? We can dive into the paradox of free will vs. an all-knowing God (again), but I don't imagine anyone will really gain anything from hashing that out once more. God must have created us for a purpose. What is that purpose? If we're not fulfilling that purpose, why would a perfect God bother with keeping us around? So he could "love" us? Funny way of showing it, with all the tragedy and horror in the world that he could prevent. So we could "love" him? What's to love, when no one can even know for certain God exists? The relationship between God and Man is like buying a puppy, and then putting that puppy in a box in the garage and never thinking about it again. It will suffer, wonder what it did to deserve this horrible life, and die alone. I would have found it a lot easier to be a believer had I lived in OT times, when you could reasonably expect to talk to a bush, or see a pillar of fire, or any number of profound miracles.
Well, what about us humans having kids? What's the point of having kids? Or what's the point of having a puppy as a pet? We can love both of them, raise them and teach them the best we can, but it's entirely possible they do something we didn't teach them or raise them to do. The dog could bite someone unprovoked. The kid could grow up and embezzle millions of dollars from retirees or go on a killing spree even though I never taught them that or they didn't grow up in such an environment. Are you saying I had a funny way of raising my kid/dog because they acted on their own against my will/wishes/teachings? I loved my kid/dog less and that I'm the warped one for them acting the way they do?
So you're saying God is bored with us, and decided to go hang out somewhere else? Sort of like the Clock-maker, who creates the universe and lets it just run, without interference, according to natural laws? Only in this case, he tinkered with us for a while before he decided to leave us alone?
No, you're twisting this and using the wrong analogy. Why would God create all slaves that did EXACTLY as He said, when He said, how He said? What "fun" would that be? When you lined up your GI Joes, or army guys, Transformers, Barbies, Care Bears, whatever - was it a utopian society of bliss and happiness or was there any conflict? Again, I can't possibly give you the inner workings of another humans mind, let alone God's. I'm simply offering the best speculation to your "why" question.
Again, I get that. But what's the point? What does God stand to gain from imperfect mankind, assuming that he didn't create us for no purpose at all? If he didn't want slaves, or worshippers, what function do we perform for him? Entertainment?
If I saw on the news you killed someone, but I never got a chance to talk to you face to face or even on the phone, do you think I'm qualified to answer someone else on why you did that with a definitive 100% irrefutable answer? Again, you want me to comment intelligently on the operation of someone else's mind. Human or God, it's not possible. I can only guess and speculate until I'm given a chance to ask God Himself, if ever. Same as just guessing until I actually spoke to you on why you killed people in the scenario I detailed above.
But, if we apply the logic of the free-will-vs-omniscience debates we've had here in the past, God KNOWS, without predetermining your fate, how you will ultimately be judged. If God knows all things, then he already knows how you will be judged, and has for all time. It's an exercise in futility - why create something that he knows will fail him? What proof can be made to a God that already knows all things, including whether you can "prove" your commitment?