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Report: Aaron Rodgers Is At Steelers Facility On Friday

Drink IRON City said:
Similar to QBs with two SB wins, except Jim Plunket……………….


Salute the nation
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Eli will be the test case here.

I do worry that Ben is going to get screwed by the new process for HoF voting though. He'll get in for sure. But I worry that they are going to take away the 1st ballot from him (which I think he obviously deserves).
 
SteelerSask2 said:
Im not going to minimize Tomlin's part in that SB anymore then how ****** Ben and the Steelers played vs. The Seahawks to win that championship. Both teams were heavy heavy favorites and played down and careful. But both teams played great in the playoffs. Beating Manning and winning in Denver for Bill. One of the most exciting wins I will ever remember on the Polamalu pick six vs. Rats. You don't have to diminish Tomlin’s SB to believe its well past time to move on.
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This.

And I think it diminishes the argument to get rid of him when people try to say that everything bad is because of Tomlin and he shouldn't get credit for anything good.
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Why on earth would we not count TDs that happened?

I don’t think too many of the regular posters here forgot that (I’d wager less than 5%- maybe the guy that doesn’t watch the games whose name
I will not speak forgot that). Maybe on non Steeler social media sites they forget stuff like that…I’d wager almost everyone here is acutely aware of that.

Was it Spin-then-fall’s fault Whiff Johnson was on the team?
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This is exactly my point.

Diminishing the win against AZ because we needed Harrison's amazing TD (and the unbelievable blocking by the D) is silly. Which is why I pointed out that it would be silly to pretend that we should get credit for winning the GB game because we only lost because of a DTD...which is also very silly.

Particularly when everyone on the D talks about how it was Tomlin that emphasized how important it was for everyone to block like their lives depended on it if they got a turnover.

My absolute favorite recounting of this play was Dick Lebeau in an interview he did on the Terrible Podcast (won't link here). You can hear how he absolutely loved that play. Talking about how 9 guys got blocks on that return and a few guys got 2 blocks. I love LeBeau though. You can just hear how much he cared about the players. And how much pride he felt talking about that defense.
 
NorthernBlitz said:
This is exactly my point.

Diminishing the win against AZ because we needed Harrison's amazing TD (and the unbelievable blocking by the D) is silly. Which is why I pointed out that it would be silly to pretend that we should get credit for winning the GB game because we only lost because of a DTD...which is also very silly.

Particularly when everyone on the D talks about how it was Tomlin that emphasized how important it was for everyone to block like their lives depended on it if they got a turnover.

My absolute favorite recounting of this play was Dick Lebeau in an interview he did on the Terrible Podcast (won't link here). You can hear how he absolutely loved that play. Talking about how 9 guys got blocks on that return and a few guys got 2 blocks. I love LeBeau though. You can just hear how much he cared about the players. And how much pride he felt talking about that defense.
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And the defense LOVED Dick back without exception. Harrison would tear up when talking about him.
 
NorthernBlitz said:
This.

And I think it diminishes the argument to get rid of him when people try to say that everything bad is because of Tomlin and he shouldn't get credit for anything good.
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He inherited a far better coaching staff than he assembled on his own with his habit of hiring friends and former co-workers.
His best coordinators were the three he didn’t hire, Arians, LeBeau, and Haley.
(Haley was hired by Dan Rooney, not Tomlin. The day before Haley was hired and Arians read in the newspaper that he retired, Tomlin said in a presser that his coaching staff would return intact.)
 
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Badcat said:
I'll be wiping away a happy tear when his *** retires/resigns and takes his ****** philosophies and word smiths with him.
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It will be a day to rejoice for sure. Can't wait!!!!!🙂
 
A friend of mine told me that when who ever starts for us this year that it will be the fifth straight season with a different starter. It will tie the Falcons for that record. Probably a good chance that we break that record the following season.

The leadership of this organization has turn this franchise into a **** show running rutterless.
 
I think Cowher was a good coach, but knew his role / limitations. He let his assistants do their thing and chimed in appropriately. He also seemed to have more control on game day and not just stare of into the sunset. I think Tomlin micromanages everything and controls his assistants. Tomlin is not a remotely good enough XO guy to do that.
 
Lloyd said:
And the defense LOVED Dick back without exception. Harrison would tear up when talking about him.
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I think he's the best coach we've had (at any level) in my lifetime.

He's so captivating to listen to even in any interview I've ever heard of him.

So easy to see why his players loved him.

And he comes across as so genuinely humble. Despite being a very good player and an elite coach.
 
Dick was a class act and a fountain of knowledge, he likely forgot more about football than Shades has ever known. Sad how little of the wealth of knowledge that Dick brought to the sidelines rubbed off on Shady McLegPisser. It rubbed off on nearly everyone he coached…but not HC Shady McLegPisser

You’d think just spending a season or two next to DL you’d be smart enough to figure out 2DL in short yardage is bad strategy…not if you’re Shady McLegPisser
 
I listen to Lebeau speak and scratch my head why he isn't on a sideline. That was a watershed moment for Tomlin. When he got too big time for DL and let him go. Did they give up some huge risk reward scores.......yes. when they were good though they dictated the game against a lot of teams.
They dialed up pressure and created confusion. Now they rarely get big splashed but the only confusion is how far ILB have to cover up the seam in Cover 1 and 2.
 
NorthernBlitz said:
Worth remembering that if we're not counting DTDs, then we won the GB SB?

I think a lot of people forget that Ben threw a TD for the other team in that game. Because we all have Mendenhall to "hate".
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You seem like an intellectually honest person. There is what you mention that Ben caused in SB 45 that is true, and there is also the myth from SB 30: the idea that Neil O'Donnell cost us that game.

Those that know the facts know that Cory Holliday did not run the hot route because he missed the blitz recognition and the call from O'Donnell that the blitz was coming. Yet for decades Neil has been flamed by Steeler fans.

There is one more off the top of my head. And that is that Bill Cowher did not want to draft Big Ben...as if he was a moron who couldn't recognize he needed a franchise QB and that Ben was a franchise type guy. This is also a myth that has been corrected by Kevin Colbert. It was Cowher who stated in the Steeler draft room if Ben was there when their turn came they had to take him.
 
insaniti said:
Here we go again...And people forget that Kemo was bullrushed right into Ben as he threw that ball. It's not like Ben just missed...
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That ball should never have been thrown. Ben pumps fake to that side and pulls the safety down....yes he pump faked to the side he was throwing the ball to. I have never seen an NFL QB do that...it was epically stupid, or he just had a nervous brain fart. Either way that ball was going to be picked/broken up.
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Dick was a class act and a fountain of knowledge, he likely forgot more about football than Shades has ever known. Sad how little of the wealth of knowledge that Dick brought to the sidelines rubbed off on Shady McLegPisser. It rubbed off on nearly everyone he coached…but not HC Shady McLegPisser

You’d think just spending a season or two next to DL you’d be smart enough to figure out 2DL in short yardage is bad strategy…not if you’re Shady McLegPisser
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Shady McLegpisser is a special kind of stupid.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
I listen to Lebeau speak and scratch my head why he isn't on a sideline. That was a watershed moment for Tomlin. When he got too big time for DL and let him go. Did they give up some huge risk reward scores.......yes. when they were good though they dictated the game against a lot of teams.
They dialed up pressure and created confusion. Now they rarely get big splashed but the only confusion is how far ILB have to cover up the seam in Cover 1 and 2.
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Agree, but remember that Tom Br*dy was LeBeau's kryptonite. He'd pick us apart with short quick passes and after a while every team with a pretty accurate QB adopted the same approach. LeBeau's bend-but-don't-break zone blitz and 10 yard cushions just didn't work against T*mmy Boy.
 
Gildong Sack said:
You seem like an intellectually honest person. There is what you mention that Ben caused in SB 45 that is true, and there is also the myth from SB 30: the idea that Neil O'Donnell cost us that game.

Those that know the facts know that Cory Holliday did not run the hot route because he missed the blitz recognition and the call from O'Donnell that the blitz was coming. Yet for decades Neil has been flamed by Steeler fans.

There is one more off the top of my head. And that is that Bill Cowher did not want to draft Big Ben...as if he was a moron who couldn't recognize he needed a franchise QB and that Ben was a franchise type guy. This is also a myth that has been corrected by Kevin Colbert. It was Cowher who stated in the Steeler draft room if Ben was there when their turn came they had to take him.
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Larry Brown sure knew where the hot route was that game
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Agree, but remember that Tom Br*dy was LeBeau's kryptonite. He'd pick us apart with short quick passes and after a while every team with a pretty accurate QB adopted the same approach. LeBeau's bend-but-don't-break zone blitz and 10 yard cushions just didn't work against T*mmy Boy.
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You read my mind. Why I said most teams exactly who I was thinking.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
Im not going to minimize Tomlin's part in that SB anymore then how ****** Ben and the Steelers played vs. The Seahawks to win that championship. Both teams were heavy heavy favorites and played down and careful. But both teams played great in the playoffs. Beating Manning and winning in Denver for Bill. One of the most exciting wins I will ever remember on the Polamalu pick six vs. Rats. You don't have to diminish Tomlin’s SB to believe its well past time to move on.
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You don't have to minimize or diminish it, but I will.

Tomlin didn't come in as a fresh coach who had to rebuild the franchise from scratch. He inherited an excellent team stocked with veteran players on both sides of the ball who had recent championship experience, a phenomenal young quarterback, and established coordinators who knew what the hell they were doing, including one held over from the prior staff. How often does that happen? Other than the '94 Cowboys? Most young head coaches come into a rebuilding situation where the last guy has just been canned, and the team is in disarray. Not the case in Pittsburgh in 2007.

The proof is in the pudding. It's been in front of our faces for years and years now. Tomlin has had plenty of time to establish his own imprint on the Steelers, and they haven't won a single playoff game in eight years and counting. Yes, I'm going to minimize his lone Super Bowl win sixteen years ago, because just about any asshoIe who they might have hired at the time could have won another championship with those core players in that window.

MT is nothing more than Barry Switzer with longevity. You know it, I know it, and everybody who passionately follows the Steelers deep down knows it. Whether they want to admit it or not.
 
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