Rod Woodson says Ben isn't a hall of fame QB

[skialta]

Hall or nothing was the question.
Nothing the response. Of course Sapp and his idiocy chimed in with HOF players were all the best in the league. Ben wasn't ever that.
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[CorpusDsteelers]

So going to three Super Bowls and winning two in 10 years isn't Enuff?

 

[DBS1970]

That's funny because Sapps fat *** got in and he was an interior D-lineman that wasn't that good of a run stopper.

 

[Omar10213245]

Rod's entitled to his opinion. And I'm entitled to disagree, which I do.

 

[jitter77]

So going to three Super Bowls and winning two in 10 years isn't Enuff?

This is a tough question. Going to the SB and winning does not make you a HOF QB. He played poorly in 2/3 SBs and very well in the other. He also played well in the playoffs leading up to the SB against seattle, but didnt he have the lowest QB rating of a winning team in the SB? I think right now ben is teetering on the edge. Another good couple years and he could get and maybe a SB appearance should make him a lock.

 

[EdReed4Prez]

Not trying to be a "hater" here. But I think you'd be hard pressed to find many folks that say he gets in right now outside of Steeler fans. He's really good. But if he quits tomorrow he's not in the HOF. A few more solid seasons and maybe a ring or an accolade or two (MVP or OPOY) and he's in. Again he's really good. But it's not the Hall of Really Good. You need to be an all time great. He's a few years from making that claim IMO.

 

[Xc944]

Rod is 100% right at this point in time Ben is not a hof'er

 

[slashsteel]

I think he is borderline, one more SB win would sure bring a significant argument to the table. Ben are yinz listening?

 

[CorpusDsteelers]

He might all ready have the most broken tackles for a QB. Love watching him throw/shake off a 300+ # d-lineman. I think he only gets better over next 5 years esp if he keeps the no huddle going.

I guess it's fair to say if he quit today he would be borderline but he's not so..

Plunket won x2 but is not in I think it's safe to say Ben is better than he was

 

[Supersteeler]

I'd also say approaching borderline. 2 or 3 more real good seasons and I'd say he has a good shot.

 

[TDX27]

Sapp is a fat *** that was one of the most over rated in NFL history. No way he should have made it to the HOF. So, if he did, Ben should be a lock.

 

[skialta]

The fan's vote was split right down the middle. 50/50.
I actually give props to Rod for not being a mindless homer

 

[Vader]

Sapp is a fat *** that was one of the most over rated in NFL history. No way he should have made it to the HOF. So, if he did, Ben should be a lock.

This. Manning isn't going to have 2 SB wins to his tally. He'll end up with a below .500 or at .500 playoff record. He'll also have two disasters in the SB... getting blown the **** out by Seattle and throwing a game losing pick to NO. Yes, he has a ton of regular season stats but Ben will have those as well in a year or two. So Ben is a HOF right now IMHO but at least a borderline HOF. In a couple of years, unless he just blows a gasket, he'll be a shoe in.

Ben's stats as of today: 142 games: 95-47 Record, 34105 yards, 63.3% passing, 219 TD 122 Ints. 7.8 YPA, 92.6 QB rating 11 seasons

Elway: 231 games: 148-82-1 record, 51475 yards, 56.9% passing, 300 TDs 226 ints. 7.1 YPA, 79.9 QB rating 16 seasons

 

[Confluence]

This. Manning isn't going to have 2 SB wins to his tally. He'll end up with a below .500 or at .500 playoff record. He'll also have two disasters in the SB... getting blown the **** out by Seattle and throwing a game losing pick to NO. Yes, he has a ton of regular season stats but Ben will have those as well in a year or two. So Ben is a HOF right now IMHO but at least a borderline HOF. In a couple of years, unless he just blows a gasket, he'll be a shoe in.

Ben's stats as of today: 142 games: 95-47 Record, 34105 yards, 63.3% passing, 219 TD 122 Ints. 7.8 YPA, 92.6 QB rating 11 seasons

Elway: 231 games: 148-82-1 record, 51475 yards, 56.9% passing, 300 TDs 226 ints. 7.1 YPA, 79.9 QB rating 16 seasons

Holy ****. Ben is 95-47 with a **** line for 6 years?

 

[Punxsutawney]

This. Manning isn't going to have 2 SB wins to his tally. He'll end up with a below .500 or at .500 playoff record. He'll also have two disasters in the SB... getting blown the **** out by Seattle and throwing a game losing pick to NO. Yes, he has a ton of regular season stats but Ben will have those as well in a year or two. So Ben is a HOF right now IMHO but at least a borderline HOF. In a couple of years, unless he just blows a gasket, he'll be a shoe in.

Ben's stats as of today: 142 games: 95-47 Record, 34105 yards, 63.3% passing, 219 TD 122 Ints. 7.8 YPA, 92.6 QB rating 11 seasons

Elway: 231 games: 148-82-1 record, 51475 yards, 56.9% passing, 300 TDs 226 ints. 7.1 YPA, 79.9 QB rating 16 seasons

Based on the defensive rules, Elway played in a different world compared to Ben. The stats need to be taken into context

Ben may have terrific regular season stats by the time his career is done, but it's nothing compared to what Peyton has done.

Ben is a great QB, but the problem with his HOF case is that the "winner" argument is his strongest case when he sucked in two of the three Superbowls he's played in. That hurts him.

Had he played better against the Seahawks and Packers, win or lose, there wouldn't be an argument about his HOF worthiness.

 

[Vader]

Based on the defensive rules, Elway played in a different world compared to Ben. The stats need to be taken into context

Ben may have terrific regular season stats by the time his career is done, but it's nothing compared to what Peyton has done.

Ben is a great QB, but the problem with his HOF case is that the "winner" argument is his strongest case when he sucked in two of the three Superbowls he's played in. That hurts him.

Had he played better against the Seahawks and Packers, win or lose, there wouldn't be an argument about his HOF worthiness.

My issue is that you can't have it both ways. When people bring up Manning's post season woes they say "**** the post season, regular season stats should count". Then when you point out that Ben has great regular season stats then it is "Yea, but he played bad in 2 SBs." Then when you talk about Manning's SB it goes back to the regular season **** again. Ben can't win.

Also Elway played until 1998. Not nearly the difference between then and now as opposed to mid 70's to late 70's. Plus Elway's best year was in 1993 and just went down from there. Also his SBs are nothing to write home about. In his last SB he was 18 of 29 336 yards, 1 TD 1 Int. In his first winning SB he was ******* horrible. He was 12 of 22 123 yards 0 TDs and 1 Int.

And I promise you don't want to bring up his first 3 SBs. Elway was horrible in all 3. He threw 1 Td and 7 picks in 3 SBs. So he played ONE average SB and 4 horrible SBs. How is the hell is he any better than Ben?

Again, the HOF isn't for just the best QB to ever play. Or even the best QB of a decade. It's for the greats of the game. Ben is one of the best QBs in the league today. He gets it done... has is doing it better than Elway.

 

[Wingman]

Brady is in? with 3 superbowls and a legacy of being a system quaterback that benefited from cheating and blown calls? Peyton is in with a record of falling apart in the big games? Did Archie get in who if I remember never won the big game? Rod you really blew it this time.

 

[Xc944]

Also add bens playoffs numbers are not good.

 

[Franco]

Very good but not great QB who has missed the playoffs 40% oif the time despite having the best defense in the NFL over that duration. Never been considered in the top tier of QBs and he has never led a prolific offense, he needs to do more to make the HOF.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Also add bens playoffs numbers are not good.

Can't say I can remember the specifics, but the run to XL was fun to watch. Bengals, Colts, Broncos all on the road. Seem to remember Ben destroying the secondary in Denver.

 

[Punxsutawney]

My issue is that you can't have it both ways. When people bring up Manning's post season woes they say "**** the post season, regular season stats should count". Then when you point out that Ben has great regular season stats then it is "Yea, but he played bad in 2 SBs." Then when you talk about Manning's SB it goes back to the regular season **** again. Ben can't win.

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Though very solid, Ben's regular season performance does not even remotely compare to Peyton's.

Peyton has taken multiple subpar defensive teams to the playoffs. Ben has struggled to make the post season with less than elite defenses,

With all the illegal contact and defenseless receiver rules implemented over the the past decade, it is definitely a much different league than it was when the likes of Elway played.

Elway would brutally sodomize today's league.

 

[Ghost of Frenchy Fuqua]

Woodson's "summation" couldn't have been better stated:

"I like him a lot. But I still think he has a little bit more to prove."

BTW Sapp's major criterion for a QB getting in - that he be at the top of his position - is ridiculous.

Brees has never been considered the best QB in the game and it would be shocking if he doesn't get in.

 

[FordFairLane]

Roethlisberger has 4-5 years left so no worries. He is well on his way to the hall of fame. You throw 125+ more touchdowns and 20,000 more yards and maybe another super bowl he's a shoe in. I don't want him resting on his laurels already lol

 

[Ghost of Frenchy Fuqua]

Woodson made a point of saying that his stats will improve (provided he stays upright the next few years).

His induction will disprove Sapp's stupid criterion.

If it weren't for the limited live game telecasts, re-airings of old games and the documentaries, I could easily do without NFLN.

 

[lefty]

Ben was on fire that post season. Not to mention, made a season saving shoestring tackle on the Bettis fumble in Indy. If he's not HOF worthy yet, he's pretty damn close...