Rod Woodson says Ben isn't a hall of fame QB

[Bigappleyinzer]

Ben will get in. Why does he have to be compared to Peyton to get in? He has redefined what a big QB can do. He takes hits, and keeps plays alive better than possibly any QB ever. Not saying he's THE best, but his is Hall worthy. What really kills me is Warren Sapp talking about how some people shouldn't get in. If there's ever been a HOF player NOT worthy of that honor, it's Warren Sapp.

The thing to consider is that when BB retires, there will be a pretty large glut of QB's...

Just think of the QB's in this generation. Obviously Brady and Peyton are fist ballot guys- like it or not (the media loves them). But then you have Bree's- revives a downtrodden Saints team to a SB and he also has the videogame stats to show. Then you have Aaron Rodgers- media favorite, video game stats, SB Winner. Then you have Eli- 2x SB MVP and plays in the biggest media spotlight in the country.

Like it or not, Eli and Ben are not that far apart in terms of getting in. They both could possibly get inducted, but most likely on the 2nd or 3rd try. That being said, Ben still has some work to do to set himself apart. Which works in our favor

 

[TDX27]

Right now, Rodgers still has a way to go to get in. Not saying he won't but I currently put him below Ben for getting into the HOF. Peyton, Brees and Brady are locks. Ben should be a lock but not first ballot - yet. Manning does have the SB's and SB MVP's. That is hard to ignore but he has had some real ****** years. I put him behind Ben for getting in.

With all that said, I think Ben and the Steelers see at least one more SB and hopefully a winning SB. A win should lock Ben for 1st ballot and a loss would just solidify his lock for getting in.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Right now, Rodgers still has a way to go to get in. Not saying he won't but I currently put him below Ben for getting into the HOF. Peyton, Brees and Brady are locks. Ben should be a lock but not first ballot - yet. Manning does have the SB's and SB MVP's. That is hard to ignore but he has had some real ****** years. I put him behind Ben for getting in.

With all that said, I think Ben and the Steelers see at least one more SB and hopefully a winning SB. A win should lock Ben for 1st ballot and a loss would just solidify his lock for getting in.

Have to disagree with you regarding A-Rod. Dude is well ahead of Ben for getting in at this point.

He has the vaulted SB ring (Along with the SB MVP which means something).
He has broken at least 10 passing records.
He has better overall stats.
He has earned a regular season MVP (which is also big).
He is a media/fan favorite.

So he has more hardware and much more exposure then Ben. People forget that the HOF is also a popularity contest, and we all know how popular Ben is outside of the 'burgh. He has a ways to go...

 

[FordFairLane]

I think Ben by the time he retires will be HOF, I also think if he played for any other team he would have gotten the respect he deserves during his career. When Ben has been retired for years I think that's when his value will be recognized, the NFL will look back and think "man do we miss watching that guy play and how is it this guy never got respect among the elite in the league, we were just bias and stupid." And Sapp will still be flapping his gums against him because he hates the Steelers for calling his team paper champions and proving it so long ago, he is still bitter about it lol.

Lee Flower sure did have a mouth on him but that game against Tampa was classic. I think we tied some sack record that game if I remember correctly and the Bus just stuffed it down their throats. I remember after blitz after blitz one play the steelers dropped like 9 into coverage and tampa was so confused they just threw the ball away right away. It was hilarius!

 

[SteelerSask2]

If the standard is best player at your position during your era, then the Hall should be 2/3 to 1/2 as big. Who gets in- Brady or Manning. Strike out Brees and Eli too. Ben never gets his due, but that should continue to fuel him.

 

[TDX27]

Have to disagree with you regarding A-Rod. Dude is well ahead of Ben for getting in at this point.

He has the vaulted SB ring (Along with the SB MVP which means something).
He has broken at least 10 passing records.
He has better overall stats.
He has earned a regular season MVP (which is also big).
He is a media/fan favorite.

So he has more hardware and much more exposure then Ben. People forget that the HOF is also a popularity contest, and we all know how popular Ben is outside of the 'burgh. He has a ways to go...

I hear what you're saying but hasn't he only started for maybe 5 years? I would think that will make it tough to get in as of now. I do think if he keeps playing, he will easily get in.

 

[CorpusDsteelers]

Thank you it's amazing that anyone would think 20 Tds and 17 Ints are anywhere near hof numbers. Also add the fact he can't get his team in the playoffs unless he defense is top 5 in points allowed. He's is not a hof qb has never carried a team once in his life, bad playoff and Super Bowl numbers

Name all the qbs that have more than 20tds in the playoffs? He's
13th all time in only 9 years! All are 11 plus seasonS
Safe to say he gets say 10 more that puts him
Top 7 next to Bradshaw and Marino.
If he puts up 4 this year he's top 10 in less years
Than anyone EVER!

http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXleadersXXpass_td_career_playoffs.htm

 

[CorpusDsteelers]

I hear what you're saying but hasn't he only started for maybe 5 years? I would think that will make it tough to get in as of now. I do think if he keeps playing, he will easily get in.

A rod didn't start his first 3 years he came in the league the year after Ben. And is just one year younger by the way he has 19 playoff TDs
Rogers has had great weapons his whole career

 

[FordFairLane]

A rod didn't start his first 3 years he came in the league the year after Ben. And is just one year younger by the way he has 19 playoff TDs
Rogers has had great weapons his whole career

Rodgers is 30 and will be 31 in December and Ben is 32 now. So Rodgers is about 2 years younger than Ben. He also plays in a pass first 4000+ yard a year offense. That being said he needs about 2 1/2 healthy years to catch up to Ben. So if Ben can play until 37 healthy Rodger will need to play until 39 healthy for yards. As for TD's Rodgers will crusg Ben when it is all said in done. He already has 13 more than Roethlisberger and in his offense he will throw for 30-45 while Ben will throw between 20-30... unless our offense gets a little more pass happy near the goal line.

 

[SteelChip]

If the standard is best player at your position during your era, then the Hall should be 2/3 to 1/2 as big. Who gets in- Brady or Manning. Strike out Brees and Eli too. Ben never gets his due, but that should continue to fuel him.

Speaking of Manning, here is a one word, real time comparison from someone who has played with both recently.

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...on-biggest-difference-manning-roethlisberger/

I wasn't aware that Ben's stats were that close to Mannings, sometimes I think we don't give Ben enough credit maybe.

 

[Steelersrule]

The owner of the Colts has said he did not keep Manning because he wanted to win Super Bowls.

Ben has changed the way the game is played, one of the criteria for induction. Defenses have had to game plan around him. Most running QBs fizzle early, Ben keeps on trucking.

Jim Kelly did not even play in the best game put together by7 his Bills. This was a playoff game against Houston, where the Bills got 35 points behind, and won the game.

Brady and P. Manning will get into the HOF. Ben will also. E. Manning maybe, but not first ballet.

Ben received a lot of rep.for his play last year. His best game is yet to come.

 

[skialta]

Warren moon also played in what was acknowledged to be the toughest division in foot ball and had to play the Steelers twice every year. The bengals and browns were tough in those days as well. I often remember thinking that if the oilers were in the NFC they would have been playing the Steelers in the big game. They were a good team and moon was an excellent QB.

I do not think Ben is a lock for the hall yet. I sure do not think Brady is nor Peyton just because he has failed in so many play off games.Brady is simply a dink and dunk qb and has been the benefit of a cheating scandal and some very questionable calls the tuck rule in the oakland game sure was well timed.

There is nothing that says quarter backs have to be inducted from this class. As it stands now I would not put any of them in.

you are out of your mind if you think brady and peyton aren't already fitted for their busts. spygate? nobody gives a **** about spygate other than this message board.
manning choking in the playoffs is going to keep him out of the hall? ummmm. N and O. not a chance.
in fact...it wouldn't surprise me if they cut into both retirement press conferences and inducted them on the spot!

 

[antdrewjosh]

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...isberger-contract-extension-talks-rumors-2014

 

[Drink IRON City]

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...isberger-contract-extension-talks-rumors-2014

Great article and thanks for posting. Once again, in the past, Ben R. didn't get near the credit deserved. Here recently, he is starting to get more and more. GREAT job Ben, lets keep the STEELERS rolling !!!


Salute the nation

 

[FAB802]

I'll be in the minority, but he isn't there yet. This era makes it easy for an average QB to light up the stat sheet. It will take a lot more numbers for him to get in, it's just the way the game is set up during his time. Winning Super Bowls is always mentioned, but no one player has ever won one, it's a stupid argument when discussing a player's individual merits. Dan Marino never won one, neither did Barry Sanders. In their era they were the best at their position, their teams were not. It's an individual honor, not a team award.

 

[Wingman]

you are out of your mind if you think brady and peyton aren't already fitted for their busts. spygate? nobody gives a **** about spygate other than this message board.
manning choking in the playoffs is going to keep him out of the hall? ummmm. N and O. not a chance.
in fact...it wouldn't surprise me if they cut into both retirement press conferences and inducted them on the spot!

I am not saying they won't be after all its a popularity contest look at the folks that do the selections. My opinion is they shouldn't be for the reasons I stated. I also don't think the cardinals should have been awarded a championship after it was taken from the Pottsville Maroons but it was.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

The owner of the Colts has said he did not keep Manning because he wanted to win Super Bowls.

Ben has changed the way the game is played, one of the criteria for induction. Defenses have had to game plan around him. Most running QBs fizzle early, Ben keeps on trucking.

Jim Kelly did not even play in the best game put together by7 his Bills. This was a playoff game against Houston, where the Bills got 35 points behind, and won the game.

Brady and P. Manning will get into the HOF. Ben will also. E. Manning maybe, but not first ballet.

Ben received a lot of rep.for his play last year. His best game is yet to come.

I think it's a reach to say that Ben changed the way the game is played, unless you mean the way the WRs run around like street ball after the play is broken.

 

[CorpusDsteelers]

I think if you gonna talk about passing tds and how many you have vs x QB rushing td's should also be counted since they are harder to get and happen less often. It's 4th and goal at the 6 the blitz is coming no time left in the game is there anyone else you would rather have then Ben? Manning Brady brees don't think so.

 

[Mosh Pitt]

Marino, Kelly, and Moon would trade their Hall of Fame jackets for Ben´s 2 SB rings any day of the week.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

I think if you gonna talk about passing tds and how many you have vs x QB rushing td's should also be counted since they are harder to get and happen less often. It's 4th and goal at the 6 the blitz is coming no time left in the game is there anyone else you would rather have then Ben? Manning Brady brees don't think so.

Not to burst your bubble- but that is a terrible argument to make for his inclusion into the HOF. BB, in the past 5 years, has averaged 1 rushing TD per season.

 

[t-man]

you are out of your mind if you think brady and peyton aren't already fitted for their busts. spygate? nobody gives a **** about spygate other than this message board.
manning choking in the playoffs is going to keep him out of the hall? ummmm. N and O. not a chance.
in fact...it wouldn't surprise me if they cut into both retirement press conferences and inducted them on the spot!

Sadly it wouldn't surprise me either.

Joe

 

[Xc944]

Tell me you are joking. Ben never carried the Steelers once in his life?!?!?! If you are not joking, you are delusional.

Ok so what year did Ben carry he team I'm waiting

 

[Steeltime]

Ok so what year did Ben carry he team I'm waiting

2008.

Or do you think the Steelers rode the production of an injured Willie Parker and Mewelde Moore to the Super Bowl?

Yes, for the love of God, I get that the defense was superb.

So was the defense on the 1978 Steelers.

So was the defense on the 1994 Steelers.

Ben was the offense for a championship team.

Or how about the 2010 team? Oh, the great Mendenhall was the offense? Bwahahahahaha. Yeah, sure.

Ben played 12 games, went 9-3, 3200 yards, 17 TD, 5 picks, 8.2 YPA, 97 QB rating.

That team went to the Super Bowl and lost because Ben had a bad game.

If the QB did not effing matter, why do they lose when he struggles? Yeah, thanks for playing.

Okay, how about 2005? Again, the claim "the defense carried the team" is shown to be horsesh@t based on the fact that BETTER defenses - 1978 and 1994 - won nothing. In 2005, Ben goes 9-3, with 17 TD's, 9 interceptions, a 98.6 passer rating, 8.9 YPA.

Tell you what ... in about five years, we will all see what it is like to have a team without Ben at QB.

I remember Cliff Stoudt, and am not looking forward to that.

 

[PoloMalo43]

Based on the defensive rules, Elway played in a different world compared to Ben. The stats need to be taken into context

Ben may have terrific regular season stats by the time his career is done, but it's nothing compared to what Peyton has done.

Ben is a great QB, but the problem with his HOF case is that the "winner" argument is his strongest case when he sucked in two of the three Superbowls he's played in. That hurts him.

Had he played better against the Seahawks and Packers, win or lose, there wouldn't be an argument about his HOF worthiness.

If he was a HOF QB there would be 7 trophies not 6 and to get 5 he was a non factor.

Santonio Holmes is the reason we have 6. Holmes was in a zone on that last drive, and the drive before he caught a 3rd and whatever pass that hit him in the crook of the elbow . Ridiculous catch called back because the center held in the end zone.

Ben is a great football player, but great QB's have great stats.

Don't get me wrong I love me some Ben, just keeping it real.

 

[PoloMalo43]

I think it's a reach to say that Ben changed the way the game is played, unless you mean the way the WRs run around like street ball after the play is broken.

Fran Tarkenton, been there done that.