Rod Woodson says Ben isn't a hall of fame QB

[Supersteeler]

Just curious, what the heck has Phil Rivers done?



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Thrown more TD"s than Ben and just about as many yards. Like it or not, a hell of alot of people out there care about stats as much as championships.

 

[Supersteeler]

Just curious, what the heck has Phil Rivers done?



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Thrown for more TD"s than Ben and a almost as many yards. Ben has like 200 more yards to this point and Rivers has around 3 more TD's. Like it or not, a hell of alot of people out there care about stats as much as championships.

 

[Omar10213245]

Thrown for more TD"s than Ben and a almost as many yards. Ben has like 200 more yards to this point and Rivers has around 3 more TD's. Like it or not, a hell of alot of people out there care about stats as much as championships.

If Rivers never makes a single SB before his career is finished, there's NO way that he gets consideration before Ben.

 

[Drink IRON City]

If Rivers never makes a single SB before his career is finished, there's NO way that he gets consideration before Ben.

My point exactly!!!! Right NOW, Ben Rothlesburger is in BEFORE phil, hands down.


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[Drink IRON City]

Thrown for more TD"s than Ben and a almost as many yards. Ben has like 200 more yards to this point and Rivers has around 3 more TD's. Like it or not, a hell of alot of people out there care about stats as much as championships.

OH, and Ben has ummm, let me think........., TWO Super Bowls wins more than phil !!!!

Point taken?



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[insaniti]

So if Ben goes in the HOF he is going to have to wait on Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Drew Brees to go in first, so it might take awhile. They aren't going to vote 4 QB's from the same era in at the same time. Also, although I'm not one of them, there are lots of people who will make the case that Phil Rivers and Eli Manning are just as HOF worthy as Ben. If those people have a say, Ben could be 6th in line to get in. I think the amount of QB's from this era who have the potential to get in will really hurt his chances, at least for awhile. If he does get in, it won't be for a good bit of years I don't think.

In this scenario, Manning, Brady, and Ben would have to retire the exact same year. Ben won't even be eligible when Manning and Brady go in.

Thrown for more TD"s than Ben and a almost as many yards. Ben has like 200 more yards to this point and Rivers has around 3 more TD's. Like it or not, a hell of alot of people out there care about stats as much as championships.

Ben actually has 2,000 more yards.

 

[Vader]

Ben actually has 2,000 more yards.

He also has more TDs if you count rushing Tds. Ben has 15 rushing TDs to Rivers 3. Ben also has 1135 yards rushing to Rivers 410.

 

[SteelerFan448]

I can honestly say I've never watched Rivers and once thought "Hall of Famer."

 

[FordFairLane]

So if Ben goes in the HOF he is going to have to wait on Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Drew Brees to go in first, so it might take awhile. They aren't going to vote 4 QB's from the same era in at the same time. Also, although I'm not one of them, there are lots of people who will make the case that Phil Rivers and Eli Manning are just as HOF worthy as Ben. If those people have a say, Ben could be 6th in line to get in. I think the amount of QB's from this era who have the potential to get in will really hurt his chances, at least for awhile. If he does get in, it won't be for a good bit of years I don't think.

Peyton Manning 38
Tom Brady 37 (Aug 3rd)
Drew Brees 35
Ben Roethlisberger 32

I personally think Peyton plays 2 more years and retires ontop of all the records. Yards (6874 away), TD's(17 away), wins (19 away) and he goes down as the best regular season QB ever. Brady I think only has two years left in him. Brees maybe 3 years left. So I think Manning and Brady go in same year. Brees a year or two(depending on retirement) after that and I feel Roethlisberger will have 2-3 years of no QB's going and then it will likely be between him and Eli who goes in. Whoever plays better their last 5 years gets the nod first but I feel both will end up going in.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Thrown more TD"s than Ben and just about as many yards. Like it or not, a hell of alot of people out there care about stats as much as championships.

Looks like you are right, like it or not, a hell of alot of people out there care about stats as much as championships



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[antdrewjosh]

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...reaks-ben-roethlisbergers-passing-tendencies/

 

[CharlesDavenport]

I can honestly say I've never watched Rivers and once thought "Hall of Famer."

Pretty sure there is only one person on this board who made that connection.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Pretty sure there is only one person on this board who made that connection.

Or three counting me and you.

 

[MT~Forged]

You can thank the Fantasy Football crowd for all the STAT hounds. Before FF, you had to WIN to be someone special.

 

[AggieSteel]

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...reaks-ben-roethlisbergers-passing-tendencies/

Kinda interesting. Glad there is some actual statistical proof to back up my belief that Ben is garbage on deep passes

 

[deljzc]

Rivers is a pretty good quarterback.

He's started less games than his 2006 compatriots (128 GS vs. 142 for Manning and Roethlisberger), but he has a +15% QB rating vs. the league average. That's pretty damn good. Only a handful of QB's ever in the league can say that (10 total). Roethlisberger is at +12% and E. Manning at -2%.

Rivers playoff record is 4-5, but his TRUE PLAYOFF RECORD is 6-8. That's when you count each year you miss the playoffs as a loss and each year you are good enough to "skip" the wildcard round as another win. 6 effective playoff wins in 8 years as a starter is NOT bad.

That's equivalent to Drew Brees in his 12 years as a starter.

In fact, add 4 years to Rivers and you probably start getting very close to Drew Brees right now. Brees is +16% better at QB rating than his contemporaries. Brees is 110-75 as a starter (Rivers is 79-49). He's 6-5 in actual playoff record and 8-11 in true playoff record.

No reason Rivers can't be very similar to that in another 57 starts.

Roethlisberger is NOT that type of player or accumulator. His claim is more on efficiency stats and such a good playoff performer. Ben has a True Playoff Record of 13-8 in 10 years as a starter, which is very good (it should be better if we hadn't ****** around and missed the playoffs so many times under Tomlin). Roethlisberger is still very good against his contemporaries as well.

I think in the long run all three will make the Hall of Fame (Roethlisberger, Rivers and E. Manning). I would NOT vote for Eli, but I think he gets in because he's New York and he will be a compiler (play a lot time) and he has two Super Bowl rings/MVP's.

If you really consider the fact people like Fouts and Moon are in the Hall, you probably have to take all three of these guys.

I think the line that WON'T get in is the McNair, McNabb, Esiason, Bledsoe line.

If you are better than them, I think you have a pretty good shot.

 

[Xc944]

Rivers is a pretty good quarterback.

He's started less games than his 2006 compatriots (128 GS vs. 142 for Manning and Roethlisberger), but he has a +15% QB rating vs. the league average. That's pretty damn good. Only a handful of QB's ever in the league can say that (10 total). Roethlisberger is at +12% and E. Manning at -2%.

Rivers playoff record is 4-5, but his TRUE PLAYOFF RECORD is 6-8. That's when you count each year you miss the playoffs as a loss and each year you are good enough to "skip" the wildcard round as another win. 6 effective playoff wins in 8 years as a starter is NOT bad.

That's equivalent to Drew Brees in his 12 years as a starter.

In fact, add 4 years to Rivers and you probably start getting very close to Drew Brees right now. Brees is +16% better at QB rating than his contemporaries. Brees is 110-75 as a starter (Rivers is 79-49). He's 6-5 in actual playoff record and 8-11 in true playoff record.

No reason Rivers can't be very similar to that in another 57 starts.

Roethlisberger is NOT that type of player or accumulator. His claim is more on efficiency stats and such a good playoff performer. Ben has a True Playoff Record of 13-8 in 10 years as a starter, which is very good (it should be better if we hadn't ****** around and missed the playoffs so many times under Tomlin). Roethlisberger is still very good against his contemporaries as well.

I think in the long run all three will make the Hall of Fame (Roethlisberger, Rivers and E. Manning). I would NOT vote for Eli, but I think he gets in because he's New York and he will be a compiler (play a lot time) and he has two Super Bowl rings/MVP's.

If you really consider the fact people like Fouts and Moon are in the Hall, you probably have to take all three of these guys.

I think the line that WON'T get in is the McNair, McNabb, Esiason, Bledsoe line.

If you are better than them, I think you have a pretty good shot.

The thing is bens playoff numbers are not good. He has the wins but had horrible games in many of those playoff wins ie Seattle and jets. His int to td ratio is terrible so if you're going to use his playoffs as the reason he's a hof you can't ignore that he has bad numbers in the playoffs

 

[CoolieMan]

so his numbers in the playoff run up to the Seattle win were not good? his 7 TDs vs 1 INT in the 3 playoff games that year were not good?

shut the **** up hater

 

[CoolieMan]

so his numbers in the playoff run up to the Seattle win were not good? his 7 TDs vs 1 INT in the 3 playoff games that year were not good?

shut the **** up hater

 

[Drink IRON City]

The thing is bens playoff numbers are not good. He has the wins but had horrible games in many of those playoff wins ie Seattle and jets. His int to td ratio is terrible so if you're going to use his playoffs as the reason he's a hof you can't ignore that he has bad numbers in the playoffs

Don't matter what numbers or skew of, he is in!!! Right now, today. As his future plays out, that should only solidify his enshrinement.


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