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Rodgers Signing with Black n’ Gold

Tomlin has also made it twice as the 7th seed since the playoffs expanded in 2020.
That stat is a double-edged sword. Almost every year we haven't made it we would have been the 7th seed and in with the new system. Another glass half full or half empty stat.
 
I agree, even Theisman executed Gibbs gameplan well. Three less than star QBs with a great strategic coach
Oh c'mon. Gibbs didn't throw 4 TD passes in a Super Bowl, for example. Is Gibbs a better coach than Tomlin? Hell, yeah. But he didn't go out there and win the game. His players did.

Maybe if superlative Ben didn't bumble around most of the 4th quarter in Super Bowl 43, it never would have come down to the superlative effort. It's a damn dumb game but we can play it.
 
Worst case scenario and sadly very likely.......Rodgers sucks early enough for us to get a long look at Howard, Howard is clearly not the guy and Mason finishes off a whimper of a playoffless season.
 
Yeah...but the lack of a great effort by the QB is why they lost.
Neil read blitz and threw to where the hot read should have been....WRs were not on the same page?
 
Worst case scenario and sadly very likely.......Rodgers sucks early enough for us to get a long look at Howard, Howard is clearly not the guy and Mason finishes off a whimper of a playoffless season.
I highly doubt Tomlin turns to Howard before Rudy.
 
Oh c'mon. Gibbs didn't throw 4 TD passes in a Super Bowl, for example. Is Gibbs a better coach than Tomlin? Hell, yeah. But he didn't go out there and win the game. His players did.

Maybe if superlative Ben didn't bumble around most of the 4th quarter in Super Bowl 43, it never would have come down to the superlative effort. It's a damn dumb game but we can play it.
Gibbs perhaps put his players in a position to excel. Tomlin refuses to adjust. Make changes. Simply a staple of Tomlin's coaching philosophy.
 
Gibbs perhaps put his players in a position to excel. Tomlin refuses to adjust. Make changes. Simply a staple of Tomlin's coaching philosophy.
No argument with that. My beef is with the idea that Tomlin needed a great effort from his QB to win the Super Bowl. Yeah he did! But most of the coaches that win do need that.
 
Neil read blitz and threw to where the hot read should have been....WRs were not on the same page?
Yeah...Ernie Mills got hurt and it was Corey Holliday in there. Who knows. But damn, Neil, lift your head and look. The corner bit so bad on that had Neil looked up, Corey Holliday might be a Steeler legend.
 
Gibbs perhaps put his players in a position to excel. Tomlin refuses to adjust. Make changes. Simply a staple of Tomlin's coaching philosophy.


I hear yaz stillwright.

Just because he has never had a losing season does not equate to an elite coach. Ben is as much a credit for that non-losing season award as Coach Tomlin is.

Coach Tomlin has consistently put his players in bad situations. A couple examples would be the obvious TJ Watt, the obvious B.Jones, other players just off the top Green at center / D.Bush / amongst others as well.

Elite coaches don’t keep sub-coaching around as long as Tomlin did………. O’Canada / Austin / Meyers to name a few….

Elite coaches are usually remembered for their “system / in game decisions / commandment of the game & situation, all of which Coach Tomlin appears to fall short. Is anyone ever going to say “no one could figure out his scheme & game planning”…….. doubtful.

Playoff records do count, PO wins count, building a team counts and yet here we are with a coach who will enter the HOF through excuses after excuses of everything imaginable.



Keep in mind that I’m blowing what I see of reality. Please NOTE that he is a Steelers coach and I will root for him through and through.





Salute the nation
 
I hear yaz stillwright.

Just because he has never had a losing season does not equate to an elite coach. Ben is as much a credit for that non-losing season award as Coach Tomlin is.

Coach Tomlin has consistently put his players in bad situations. A couple examples would be the obvious TJ Watt, the obvious B.Jones, other players just off the top Green at center / D.Bush / amongst others as well.

Elite coaches don’t keep sub-coaching around as long as Tomlin did………. O’Canada / Austin / Meyers to name a few….

Elite coaches are usually remembered for their “system / in game decisions / commandment of the game & situation, all of which Coach Tomlin appears to fall short. Is anyone ever going to say “no one could figure out his scheme & game planning”…….. doubtful.

Playoff records do count, PO wins count, building a team counts and yet here we are with a coach who

I've personally been a Tomlin defender, but have not been oblivious to the shortcoming. I want to play devil's advocate here to cast blame elsewhere....
(and admittedly ignored most context as I show my face for my yearly preseason-training camp arrival.)

I personally believe that Colbert had more of a say on roster construction than Tomlin.
Colbert was hired in what, 2000? Tomlin in 2007. I'll die on this hill after Colbert desperately tried to make his mark on the way out with Pickett.

We consistently reached in the later years for position of need - Pickett, Burns, Davis, Bush, Jarvis Jones, Green, etc.
Some of those showed flashes - Burns his rookie year, Bush before injury, etc.

Is there an argument that says Tomlin moved players around to fill bigger gaps? Jones moving to RT got him on the field when we needed a replacement for Chuks, without Jones, RT would have been a mess, because we saw Dan Moore was a disaster at RT while serviceable at LT.

The coaching tree is an entirely different conversation that I have no argument for. (and am not oblivious to for that matter, just like Tomlin's abysmal challenge decisions). Tomlin has never lost the locker room.

My main argument that Tomlin's biggest strength of fielding a "competitive," team is also our biggest weakness. Too good for a high draft pick, too bad for a super bowl run. But, to summarize my argument - I think that goes deeper than Tomlin. I look at who has run the organization, and who I believe had the most say and building the rosters, then see the guy who consistently makes us a fringe competitor. with subpar talent. We as fans overlook the fact that the team needed rebuilt. Defense post killer Bs was horrendous, then the entire OL and franchise HOF QB retired in the span of like 2 years.

I think the organizational leaders are too scared to lose that we've become stuck in the middle ground. Thus why we don't move often in the draft. The head coach gets ALL of the blame, but I think it is much, much deeper than what we want to see on the surface level.
 
I highly doubt Tomlin turns to Howard before Rudy.

100%.
And we can’t say he’s wrong here.
Our fan base has been painting Howard of to be a franchise savior when he’s a 6th round pick.

I’m excited for him. He was good at OSU & Kansas state, but he was a 6th rounder
Rudolph will be QB2 and Howard won’t get a helmet all year.

The writing is on the wall, we will likely take a first round QB in the draft next year. Barring injury or a Dak Prescott type preseason, Howard will likely not get a shot.
 
In 9, Bradshaw only threw for 90 some yards, I think, but he leads a clutch drive at the end with some great throws. So maybe I'll concede 9. But the rest? C'mon, the throw to Swann in 10 for the TD? Superlative. And they don't win 13 or 14 without Bradshaw. The defense was great, but not as dominant in those two years as it was previously.

The point in mentioning the crybaby cheater was coaches who are considered great had great QB play most of the time to win Super Bowls. It goes hand in hand. As I said, Tomlin deserves plenty of criticism, but saying he only won a Super Bowl because of a superlative effort by his QB is silly, because you could say that about most coaches.

We obviously have different definitions of superlative effort
A play or two doesn’t make that for me…that’s just a bit of redemption (or doing what you’re supposed to do at a minimum)

We’ll agree to disagree….or you can disagree to disagree and keep throwing **** at the wall that won’t convince me that he has or will ever be anything more than mediocre (unless a HOF QB comes along to drag him to “his” next bit of success). It’s one thing to be mediocre, it’s another thing to be mediocre your entire career, show no signs of growth AND actually be getting worse…which appears to be the case.

You think Tomlin has value
I recognize him as a hurdle

All the hoping/asserting in the world that a few of you do to make him seem better than mediocre at best won’t change the FACT that he can’t win a single playoff game without a HOF QB

Can’t say that about hardly any coaches with such a long tenure, but alas Art is “just glad he’s our coach” which further proves a fundamental issue with why this team is stuck in its mediocre GHD cycle.
 
We obviously have different definitions of superlative effort
A play or two doesn’t make that for me…that’s just a bit of redemption (or doing what you’re supposed to do at a minimum)

We’ll agree to disagree….or you can disagree to disagree and keep throwing **** at the wall that won’t convince me that he has or will ever be anything more than mediocre (unless a HOF QB comes along to drag him to “his” next bit of success). It’s one thing to be mediocre, it’s another thing to be mediocre your entire career, show no signs of growth AND actually be getting worse…which appears to be the case.

You think Tomlin has value
I recognize him as a hurdle

All the hoping/asserting in the world that a few of you do to make him seem better than mediocre at best won’t change the FACT that he can’t win a single playoff game without a HOF QB

Can’t say that about hardly any coaches with such a long tenure, but alas Art is “just glad he’s our coach” which further proves a fundamental issue with why this team is stuck in its mediocre GHD cycle.
Well, I'm not sure what the hell you mean by superlative then, because in Super Bowl 43, Ben was solid until that last spectacular drive. So maybe you don't understand superlative.

You are the definition of throwing shiit against the wall. Oh, let's find another way to state the idea that Tomlin sucks. He needed a superlative performance by his QB. The lack of success since then isn't enough, you have to invent things. I believe most coaches that have won a Super Bowl had superlative efforts from players. It's part of it. It's like saying the guy that won the triathlon had to have a great swim or run or bike to win. Well, no shiit. Having great efforts is kinda important to success.

I'm not sure how my clearly saying there are plenty of things to be critical of Tomlin about is some ringing endorsement or some evaluation of his value.

For the love, I have stated multiple times I wished they moved on from Tomlin. I agree he is the reason they are stuck. I don't know why Art doesn't see it. It's frustrating.
 
Worst case scenario and sadly very likely.......Rodgers sucks early enough for us to get a long look at Howard, Howard is clearly not the guy and Mason finishes off a whimper of a playoffless season.
What if Howard isn't ready? Maybe letting him sit and learn for a year is the best thing for him long term?
 
Well, I'm not sure what the hell you mean by superlative then, because in Super Bowl 43, Ben was solid until that last spectacular drive. So maybe you don't understand superlative.

You are the definition of throwing shiit against the wall. Oh, let's find another way to state the idea that Tomlin sucks. He needed a superlative performance by his QB. The lack of success since then isn't enough, you have to invent things. I believe most coaches that have won a Super Bowl had superlative efforts from players. It's part of it. It's like saying the guy that won the triathlon had to have a great swim or run or bike to win. Well, no shiit. Having great efforts is kinda important to success.

I'm not sure how my clearly saying there are plenty of things to be critical of Tomlin about is some ringing endorsement or some evaluation of his value.

For the love, I have stated multiple times I wished they moved on from Tomlin. I agree he is the reason they are stuck. I don't know why Art doesn't see it. It's frustrating.

Meh, then stop stalking me with your Tomlin nut hugging under the guise that you’re not a nut hugger. You literally take offense with any poster that doesn’t lap up his mediocrity and go on senseless banters of throwing **** at the wall to support your BS. I don’t need to invent a thing…what was invented?? Historical facts, lmao you dense MFer

Stating facts like Tomlin has never won a playoff game without a HOF QB is a FACT…not debatable, but you’ll forever try with his nuts in your mouth.

Try google
Sometime…search definitions of superlative and maybe you’ll be less confused.
 
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Isn't that what it takes the vast majority of teams to win a playoff game?
Chadd Henne, Markus Mariotta, and all the QBs that Cowher won playoff games with before Ben are just a few examples of slightly above average QBs with decent not great games that have won playoff games without heroic efforts.

Tomlin has only won playoff games with Ben in his prime. Tomlin will half to win a playoff game with a 42 year old Rodgers, Rudolph, or a rookie this year.

The point is good coaches can win playoff without stellar QB play, Tomlin has yet to do that, one of his many glaring flaws
 
Hahaha. It seems you are far more obsessed with him than I am.
We’re fed up with no playoff wins in 8 years, many of those games haven’t been close,you have no defense for it

Why do you as a Steelers fan tolerate that level of performance?

You act high mighty and academic and say calling you an apologist shuts down conversation, then you call him obsessed. Hypocrite much?
 
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TOMLIN has never won a playoff game WITH a HOF QB

FACT
I didn’t think you could make any dumber posts than you already have, I stand corrected.

Most idiotic post ever, by that logic no coach has ever won a playoff game with a hall of fame QB. As if Ben won’t be in the HOF…..

Congratulations on being the dumbest person here
 
Chadd Henne, Markus Mariotta, and all the QBs that Cowher won playoff games with before Ben are just a few examples of slightly above average QBs with decent not great games that have won playoff games without heroic efforts.

Tomlin has only won playoff games with Ben in his prime. Tomlin will half to win a playoff game with a 42 year old Rodgers, Rudolph, or a rookie this year.

The point is good coaches can win playoff without stellar QB play, Tomlin has yet to do that, one of his many glaring flaws
I said vast majority not all. Bill didn't get his Trophy until he got Ben. Belicheat didn't win **** before or after Brady. Reid Was only a good coach until he got Mahomes. Harbaugh was on his last leg in Baltimore before he bet the farm on Lamar. He got lucky winning with an on fire Flacco who played that season like a hall of Fame QB with some help from the refs on Pi calls. It can be done but particularly after the first round it is rare.
 
I said vast majority not all. Bill didn't get his Trophy until he got Ben. Belicheat didn't win **** before or after Brady. Reid Was only a good coach until he got Mahomes. Harbaugh was on his last leg in Baltimore before he bet the farm on Lamar. He got lucky winning with an on fire Flacco who played that season like a hall of Fame QB with some help from the refs on Pi calls. It can be done but particularly after the first round it is rare.
Reid was only a good coach until Mahomes?? Donovan McNabb says hi from Philly.

What do you think would have happened if Mahomes and McNabb got drafted by Tomlin? Would they be revered and accomplished as they are now?

The Ravens taylored their offensive approach, and changed offensive coaching staff to specifically fit Jackson, Tomlin gave Pickett Canaduh who was already a proven failure by the time he was drafted

An even better question would be what if Tomlin had the past 8 years he’s had in Phllly? Would he still be employed there?
 
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