Sean Spence gets clean bill of Health

[SteelerFan448]

Spence would play OLB in the 3-4. OLB will likely be the biggest need next year even if Jarvis has a breakout year. Worilds is likely gone next year no matter what.

They will need a starting OLB next year. If Jarvis is mediocre again, then they need a stud and better grab one very early. If Jarvis breaks out with 10 sacks, then they still need another pass rusher but they may be able to wait until later.

the only way OLB is not the top priority is if Worilds signs long term and has a great year, or if somebody like Carter or Moats or somebody else comes out of nowhere like James Harrison.

If Jarvis breaks out and they don't work out a long-term deal with Worilds they can franchise him and take an OLB early. Then he'd have a year to develop as Worilds play out his tag.

 

[ark steel]

I also just thought of something along the lines of Timmons calling the defense this year. Maybe since he did not have to in past years he did not put forth the effort to learn it the way many of us thought he should. And with the idea that the role would be thrust onto him this year maybe he has put forth the effort and learned the entire thing this year. We can hope, right

He was wearing the green dot at the end of last year. The defense looked better toward year end that at the beginning, but so did the whole team, so it may be correlation rather than causation.

I don't expect Timmons to be as smart as Foote at it.

Foote might have been limited physically, but he had a good head. No reasonable coach would have taken those duties from a smart guy with years of experience to give it to someone with less experience, unless you were going to take him completely out of the game. It was clear last year that whoever was behind Foote was not going to keep him off of the field.

When Foote got hurt, they tried people other than Timmons and it didn't work. I don't know why they did it that way, but I don't think it was be at Timmons is stupid or they wouldn't have given it to him at the end of the year with what seems to have had some success.

 

[Vader]

The defense got better? Take out the two games with the clowns (both in the 2nd half) and they gave up 27, 22, 34, 20, 31 points. That's 26.8 PPG. Which is horrible. They did well against horrible offenses like the clowns, Jets, Bills and Tenn. When they ran into a real QB they got hammered, even in the 2nd half. They gave up 370 yards to GB with a 4th string QB.

 

[Supersteeler]

The defense got better? Take out the two games with the clowns (both in the 2nd half) and they gave up 27, 22, 34, 20, 31 points. That's 26.8 PPG. Which is horrible. They did well against horrible offenses like the clowns, Jets, Bills and Tenn. When they ran into a real QB they got hammered, even in the 2nd half. They gave up 370 yards to GB with a 4th string QB.

And all because Timmons is horrible....and stupid.

 

[ark steel]

The defense got better? Take out the two games with the clowns (both in the 2nd half) and they gave up 27, 22, 34, 20, 31 points. That's 26.8 PPG. Which is horrible. They did well against horrible offenses like the clowns, Jets, Bills and Tenn. When they ran into a real QB they got hammered, even in the 2nd half. They gave up 370 yards to GB with a 4th string QB.

Oh, yeah I forgot we should take out a 1/4 of the games.....because, well.

 

[ark steel]

First half of the season looks great if you take out the 40 points and 34 points given up against the powerhouse Bears and Vikings. Tuck, if you take out the 55 given up to the *'s it is even mo betta.

 

[ark steel]

In the last 8 games of the year, the Browns played the Steelers twice. In the other six games, they averaged 23.67 points per game. In the two games against the Steelers, they averaged 9 points per game.

 

[Vader]

Oh, yeah I forgot we should take out a 1/4 of the games.....because, well.

So you want just the totals without any context? Or do you want the games that Timmons had the dot. Just give me the games. Let's look and see.

 

[ark steel]

So you want just the totals without any context? Or do you want the games that Timmons had the dot. Just give me the games. Let's look and see.

I do not know the exact game that he got the green dot. I don't obsess over Timmons like some people, I just happened to notice he was wearing the green dot during a game.

In my over-the-top accolades of Timmons, did you notice that I mentioned that it may just be correlation not causation, as if, the fact that Timmons had the green dot may have had nothing to do with anything getting better? Probably not, just the mere hint of Timmons praise cannot be allowed to pass.

 

[Vader]

In the last 8 games of the year, the Browns played the Steelers twice. In the other six games, they averaged 23.67 points per game. In the two games against the Steelers, they averaged 9 points per game.

So what? GB only averaged 23 PPG in their last 7 games excluding the Steelers and put up 31 points against them. Talk about taking stats out of your ***.

 

[Vader]

I do not know the exact game that he got the green dot. I don't obsess over Timmons like some people, I just happened to notice he was wearing the green dot during a game.

In my over-the-top accolades of Timmons, did you notice that I mentioned that it may just be correlation not causation, as if, the fact that Timmons had the green dot may have had nothing to do with anything getting better? Probably not, just the mere hint of Timmons praise cannot be allowed to pass.

How am I obsessing over Timmons when I don't even know when he got the dot? I asked you remember? My first comment was about the defense getting better (regardless of who had the dot). They didn't look any better to me. They played some bad offenses like the clowns, Jets and Bills during the year. But when they played a real QB they got hammered in both the first and second part of the season. That didn't change.

 

[ark steel]

So what? GB only averaged 23 PPG in their last 7 games excluding the Steelers and put up 31 points against them. Talk about taking stats out of your ***.

You are the one that wanted to exclude the Browns games. I suppose we were supposed to assume "Hey, it was the Browns, they can't score on anyone". Even with subpar QB's they had the leading receiver in the NFL (Total Yards) and were putting up points against everyone they played in the second half of the year. Well, you know, except the Steelers.

You pulled some stats out of your *** and I put them in context.

 

[Vader]

You are the one that wanted to exclude the Browns games. I suppose we were supposed to assume "Hey, it was the Browns, they can't score on anyone". Even with subpar QB's they had the leading receiver in the NFL (Total Yards) and were putting up points against everyone they played in the second half of the year. Well, you know, except the Steelers.

You pulled some stats out of your *** and I put them in context.

Bullshit. They put up 13 points against the Jets the week before. They were the 27 scoring offense in the league. Scoring 19 PPG. Yea, context... riiiight.

 

[ark steel]

But when they played a real QB they got hammered in both the first and second part of the season. That didn't change.

Not arguing otherwise. Bad and good teams scored on them in the first half of the year.

 

[ark steel]

Bullshit. They put up 13 points against the Jets the week before. They were the 27 scoring offense in the league. Scoring 19 PPG. Yea, context... riiiight.

You understand what an average is right? You want to pick and choose a stat with no context. In the two games before they scored a whole 11 points vs the Steelers, in the first game, they scored 24 and 20 versus the Ravens and Bengals. For the next three games, they scored 28, 26 and 31 versus Jags, Patriots and Bears. Then they had the 13 against the Jets and 9 versus the Steelers.

 

[Vader]

Not arguing otherwise. Bad and good teams scored on them in the first half of the year.

And bad team scored on them in the 2nd half of the year as well. You can't take opponents out of the equation either. Just like the clowns against the Bears. Just looking at the score you see 38-31 but what you don't see is that the clowns offense wasn't that good. They scored 14 points off TOs. One pick for a TD and one fumble return for a TD. Then they got a TD with less than a minute to go against a prevent D. Their offense is horrible and was all year.

 

[Vader]

You understand what an average is right? You want to pick and choose a stat with no context. In the two games before they scored a whole 11 points vs the Steelers, in the first game, they scored 24 and 20 versus the Ravens and Bengals. For the next three games, they scored 28, 26 and 31 versus Jags, Patriots and Bears. Then they had the 13 against the Jets and 9 versus the Steelers.

Yes, I know what an average is. Do you know what context is? Have you even looked at their games? Or are you just taking the score?

 

[ark steel]

I apologize to everyone for posting an opinion without getting approval and/or showing any optimism toward the way the Steelers played toward the end of the year.

Carry on.

 

[Superman]

per this, Foote injured his bicep against the Titans.
I know we moved Troy down into a more hybrid LB/S role at some point and put Vince Williams in as well.

per this, Timmons did not do so bad:
http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...on-player-exit-meetings-ilb-lawrence-timmons/

<p>To make Timmons’ job even more difficult, he lost his running mate, <b>Larry Foote</b>, in the opening game of the season, and was forced to pair with <b>Kion Wilson</b> and <b>Vince Williams</b>, two players that were not on the team in 2012.</p>
<p>That loss reshaped the way the Steelers played defense in 2013. For one, it put more responsibility on Timmons, including play-calling responsibility on occasion. More globally, it resulted in the Steelers playing far more sub-package football than they likely intended or wanted to, taking both a lineman and a linebacker off the field in favor of two defensive backs.</p>
<p>Timmons often found himself with nobody next to him, almost like a middle linebacker, which can disrupt keys and angles. I believe this took some time for Timmons to adjust to.</p>
<p>As the season progressed, he found himself paired more and more often with <b>Troy Polamalu</b>, playing a quasi-linebacker role. Polamalu is not a linebacker, and sometimes is not sufficiently able to emulate what a linebacker would do.</p>
<p>In short, Timmons spent much of the season trying to compensate for the rest of the defense and all the changes going on around him. And he often did. He still made plenty of impressive plays that only his superior athleticism allows him to do. I’ve broken him down in several individual games this past season, isolating both highs and lows.</p>
<p>It wasn’t the statistics at issue, either. He had 126 tackles, three sacks, two interceptions, and a forced fumble. Statistically, that’s a good season. And he did have a ‘good’ season. But the Steelers need him to have a great season in order for the defense to function at a high level again.</p>

Wexell reports that Timmons is more comfortable in the role now:
http://pit.scout.com/2/1406338.html

Last season was a merry-go-round on the defensive side with Troy playing out of position, Williams thrust into a starting role at times, Kion Wilson being a starter at other times, Shamarko seeing extended reps, and our entire DL ups and downs. I do not think it would be prudent nor fair to place all that blame at the feet of Lawrence Timmons, as some seem to want to do. To do so shows that there is an underlying agenda that some could read as Timmons Hate.

 

[ark steel]

per this, foote injured his bicep against the titans.
I know we moved troy down into a more hybrid lb/s role at some point and put vince williams in as well.

Per this, timmons did not do so bad:
http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...on-player-exit-meetings-ilb-lawrence-timmons/



wexell reports that timmons is more comfortable in the role now:
http://pit.scout.com/2/1406338.html

last season was a merry-go-round on the defensive side with troy playing out of position, williams thrust into a starting role at times, kion wilson being a starter at other times, shamarko seeing extended reps, and our entire dl ups and downs. I do not think it would be prudent nor fair to place all that blame at the feet of lawrence timmons, as some seem to want to do. To do so shows that there is an underlying agenda that some could read as timmons hate.

****. You...

 

[Superman]

I apologize to everyone for posting an opinion without getting approval and/or showing any optimism toward the way the Steelers played toward the end of the year.

Carry on.

apology accepted. by all means, continue.

 

[Vader]

I apologize to everyone for posting an opinion without getting approval and/or showing any optimism toward the way the Steelers played toward the end of the year.

Carry on.

Sorry Ark. I don't mean to get down on you.

 

[Supersteeler]

Probably not, just the mere hint of Timmons praise cannot be allowed to pass.

Now you got it. Because I badmouthed him when he was drafted.