Shazier is a *****

[Ron Burgundy]

This is another reason why they should bring Deebo back

Well yeah, besides the fact that he's 36 years old, didn't go to training camp, spent half the season on his couch a la Max Starks, and was instantly their second-best linebacker, also like Max Starks. Kinda makes you wonder about Tombert's judgement, huh?

 

[Crimsonsteel]

Shazier is a rookie so i'm not worried yet. I still think he was the right pick over Mosely, who i view as a limited player. I don't think Mosely is much better than Vince Williams. Shazier is a special athlete and was worth the pick. I'd still draft Shazier over Mosely today. Actually, today i would have sent the 3rd rounder to somebody to move ahead of Chicago and draft Fuller.

I really wanted Moseley for obvious reasons, but when the Shazier pick was made I was patient. I watched youtube's, read articles, etc.... Now at the end of the season one of these is a Pro Bowler, and one isn't . Moseley is far and away better and more versatile than Vince Williams. I agree whole heartedly about Fuller though.

 

[Crimsonsteel]

Well yeah, besides the fact that he's 36 years old, didn't go to training camp, spent half the season on his couch a la Max Starks, and was instantly their second-best linebacker, also like Max Starks. Kinda makes you wonder about Tombert's judgement, huh?

And Butler's.

 

[steelreeling]

I just don't know what the hell we are going to do with coaches like Butler and Tomlin. MF'er. Uncle Jarvis just starts getting into a groove getting some pressure in week 4 and then gets hurt. What do the coaches do? go get Harrison and then sit Jarvi's *** on the effing bench when he gets healthy. They rode JH all damn season long and rotated in Uncle Jarvis for the breathers. And Moats? Eff him. Moats didn't look half bad. But screw him anyway; he was rotated in just like Jarvis to spell JH. I mean WTF? 1st rounder getting a heartbeat and then you bench his *** just when he's getting some confidence? I could not believe it.

1st rounder Shazier: same effing story. It was even worse with him; in the respect that, when he went down, Shaz was literally kicking people's ***** and taking their names. So then buddha-bellys Tomlin and Butler get this stupid fricken idea in their head that he's "soft"? WTF? Here we go again with another ego-trippin Redman-like saga.

The worst thing is, i think that with Shazier and Uncle Jarvis starting the rest of the way, Steelers probably do not get in as a wild-card. The flip side is that JJ and RS grow up thru the adversity and start showing flashes of Bowman and Willis-like ability. Steelers would be in MUCH BETTER shape had the coaching staff thrown these guys feet into fire. Of course the SAME thing was true last fricken year. As it sits now, the coaching staff has this unfounded grudge against two first round LBers with weird hope that: 1) a 37-year old LBer will come back and start next year?!#@ and 2) their starting ILBer Williams grows 2 inches taller and gets 0.6 sec faster in the short shuttle. Bad options brought about by bad coaching decisions.

 

[Xc944]

Sorry shazier was never kicking ***** and taking names. He was getting his *** kicked and manhood taken

 

[Joey Porters Taint]

Meanwhile Jarvis turns 30 this year

 

[Idioteque]

Maybe Tomlin should have drafted the bigger, better Moseley instead of the pumped up safety.

Mosley had a mile-long injury history

 

[Punxsutawney]

Mosley had a mile-long injury history

That didn't stop them from drafting Jones the previous year.

 

[thesteelcity]

Looks are deceiving on TV, but Shazier looks smallish?? He doesn't look like a menacing LB that will take your head off. Not that we necessarily want that or even drafted him for that reason, but he seems more of a Larry Foote than James Harrison. Again, that's not a bad thing, but if that's the case, the pick was very high for Larry Foote. Time will tell with experience and the weight room.

 

[Omar10213245]

The worst thing is, i think that with Shazier and Uncle Jarvis starting the rest of the way, Steelers probably do not get in as a wild-card. The flip side is that JJ and RS grow up thru the adversity and start showing flashes of Bowman and Willis-like ability. Steelers would be in MUCH BETTER shape had the coaching staff thrown these guys feet into fire. Of course the SAME thing was true last fricken year. As it sits now, the coaching staff has this unfounded grudge against two first round LBers with weird hope that: 1) a 37-year old LBer will come back and start next year?!#@ and 2) their starting ILBer Williams grows 2 inches taller and gets 0.6 sec faster in the short shuttle. Bad options brought about by bad coaching decisions.

While I agree with you that the personnel decisions being made are highly questionable, i think you're smokin' the good stuff if you think we're EVER gonna see "bowman or willis" performances from our young LB's, especially Jarvis.

 

[oicu8ad]

Not saying he is the next Troy but I'd love to be able to go back and see what so many on here said about Troy when he didn't start or play much until his third year. He turned out to be a lock for the HOF.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Superman]

at this point, i'd be glad if they just got onto the field without tripping over a yardage marker and hitting IR for the year.

 

[FordFairLane]

I don't know but if we miss on two first rounders and first round LB's to boot that might spell the end of it for Butler in my book. I remember them saying how he wanted another LB in 2013 with our second round pick and presumably that was Arthur Brown who the Ravens want to dump. I am holding off my judgement of Jarvis Jones until next year and if he has not put it together I would actually dump him during camp. I also would draft an insurance policy in the first four rounds to hopefully apply pressure to JJ for playing time. Howard Jones looked decent so he should get some opportunity as well but I find someone who can get after the QB pretty early next year also. And I'd see if Harrison will come back. League min and 100k per sack.

Shazier I will also hold off judgement. I do expect for him to man up next year and quit complaining about sand in his vagina. If he doesn't stay healthy I'd give him until camp 2016 and same thing if he doesn't perform dump or trade his ***.

 

[Steelerfan]

Not saying he is the next Troy but I'd love to be able to go back and see what so many on here said about Troy when he didn't start or play much until his third year. He turned out to be a lock for the HOF.

Oooh, that's gonna hurt.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Meanwhile Jarvis turns 30 this year

Or he'll turn 26 during next season...

 

[slashsteel]

I've never heard Jarvis act like you describe. I'm not sure he will make it in the NFL but he does speak humbly:

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...1/7/7505945/steelers-jarvis-jones-2014-season

I would like to see some more action from the guy though. I'm giving him 1 more year before I use the word bust.

sometimes it is what you don't see or hear

When I was at Latrobe High School Jarvis, was down with a "groin".

Everyone at one point was standing supporting the team, and ol Jarvis was camping out on the bench.

Yep all except for JJ.

Heyward told him to get the **** off the bench and join his teammates.

At that point I questioned his work effort.

and now that the season has ended going forward I still question it.

If he busts out, a part of it will be because of his lack of work ethic........mark it down.

 

[POP]

Are you saying no one thought Shazier shouldve been taken that high? I'm pretty sure EVERYONE thought he was going that high. Especially Dallas. Shazier will be fine. I' m alot less concerned about him than Jones.

I agree Jones is even a bigger concern. I saw Shazier listed for late 1st to middle 2nd. <shrugs shoulders>

My main point is Steelers get too cute, trying to prove how brilliant they are, while the Ravens just take the obvious player. Ozzie says he takes the sure double instead of swinging for the fences, and often missing all together.

 

[steelc1ty]

I saw Shazier listed for late 1st to middle 2nd. <shrugs shoulders>

Ryan Shazier: 225 Bench:25, Vert Jump:42, Broad Jump:10'10", 3-Cone:6.91, 40-Yard:4.4
Patrick Willis: 225 Bench:22, Vert Jump:39, Broad Jump:9'11", 3-Cone:7.10, 40-Yard: 4.4

Shazier tested better than Patrick Willis and had just as much big game exposure...you really think he was going to go in the second round? He was taken exactly where he should have been.

 

[Hines57]

Can't give true feedback on someone who was hurt so much. Same for Jones. Let's hope they come back healthy next year and can play 16 games without major injury.

 

[6Rings]

When I played little league football, we played games in the sleet. I remember, my 11 year old team in 1983 played a whole game in the sleet. No one thought a thing about it. It was just the way football was played. We all had a ball, in spite of the cold weather. We went on to play in the championship game, and it was in the high 30s that night. It is a generational thing. I use to tell my young nephews that my generation's youth teams would have broken his generation into lol..The whole football experience has been pussified...

 

[Steeltime]

Not saying he is the next Troy but I'd love to be able to go back and see what so many on here said about Troy when he didn't start or play much until his third year.

Sorry, but not accurate.

Troy was drafted in 2003, played some, and then made the Pro-Bowl in 2004 with an absolutely incredible season - 16 games started, 96 tackles. 5 interceptions, a forced fumble, and his 1st TD when he ran over Carson Palmer like he was a *****.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Ryan Shazier: 225 Bench:25, Vert Jump:42, Broad Jump:10'10", 3-Cone:6.91, 40-Yard:4.4
Patrick Willis: 225 Bench:22, Vert Jump:39, Broad Jump:9'11", 3-Cone:7.10, 40-Yard: 4.4

Shazier tested better than Patrick Willis and had just as much big game exposure...you really think he was going to go in the second round? He was taken exactly where he should have been.

Shazier was on the phone with Dallas when the steelers took him so he was drafted exactly where he was slated to go.

Shazier Bench 25, Vert 42, Broad 10'10, 3 cone 6.91, 40 yard at pro day 4.38
Mosely Bench 15, vert 35, Broad 9'10 , 3 cone 7.3, 40 yard at pro day 4.63

Do people really not understand why Shazier was the correct pick?

Shazier is no guarantee. Nobody is a guarantee but he is a rare athlete at the position. Shazier wasn't just a workout guy. His senior year at OSU was very impressive. He showed he was a smart player who could make game changing plays against the run and the pass.

 

[Crimsonsteel]

Shazier was also impressive in preseason. I'm hopeful year 2 will see him blossom. JJ on the other hand, not so sure.... Year 3 is a sink or swim year as far as his career as a Steeler is concerned. Love to see the focus in the draft shift to Db's and Lb's. Question is, can they accurately assess lb talent like they used to with Cowher? Yes, I'm perfectly aware of Cowher's misses, but Tomlin hasn't "hit" on linebacker except Timmons, and half of this board debates that notion.

 

[Idioteque]

Shazier was also impressive in preseason. I'm hopeful year 2 will see him blossom. JJ on the other hand, not so sure.... Year 3 is a sink or swim year as far as his career as a Steeler is concerned. Love to see the focus in the draft shift to Db's and Lb's. Question is, can they accurately assess lb talent like they used to with Cowher? Yes, I'm perfectly aware of Cowher's misses, but Tomlin hasn't "hit" on linebacker except Timmons, and half of this board debates that notion.

I'd say Tomlin got a nice, solid run defender in Timmons. The real issue I and many others have is that he's paid like a star and is apparently irreplaceable, despite being a limited guy who can't master the defensive QB position.

Sadly though, you're right. We've assembled nothing else whatsoever at LB, to the point we just panic-paid Worilds $10M to do Jason Worilds things for one year. So I don't hold out much hope for the pass rushers they're going to add. They've invested heavily in Timmons, Jarvis, Worilds (twice), and Fat Woodley to build a pass rush.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Seeming to be heavier at MLB than OLB, is it out of the question to move Timmons to worlids OLB spot (which he was drafted for) and fill the MLB with a combo of spence shazier and Williams.