Shazier is a *****

[Xc944]

Seeming to be heavier at MLB than OLB, is it out of the question to move Timmons to worlids OLB spot (which he was drafted for) and fill the MLB with a combo of spence shazier and Williams.

Do you not remember how bad timmons was the year he played olb.

 

[obxsteeler]

I'd say Tomlin got a nice, solid run defender in Timmons. The real issue I and many others have is that he's paid like a star and is apparently irreplaceable, despite being a limited guy who can't master the defensive QB position.

Sadly though, you're right. We've assembled nothing else whatsoever at LB, to the point we just panic-paid Worilds $10M to do Jason Worilds things for one year. So I don't hold out much hope for the pass rushers they're going to add. They've invested heavily in Timmons, Jarvis, Worilds (twice), and Fat Woodley to build a pass rush.

Were Woodley and Harrison a "fair pass rush" when Woodley was healthy?

 

[TDX27]

Sorry, but not accurate.

Troy was drafted in 2003, played some, and then made the Pro-Bowl in 2004 with an absolutely incredible season - 16 games started, 96 tackles. 5 interceptions, a forced fumble, and his 1st TD when he ran over Carson Palmer like he was a *****.

I thought he played his 3rd season. Either way, how many on here bitched about him being a bust in his first year? I am sure there were a ton.

 

[FordFairLane]

I have not given up hope on Shazier, I mean for gods sake he barely played. If nagging injuries ends up being a problem well sobeit. But if he can use his speed and get his knowledge of the playbook up this offseason he could be a nice weapon to have on defense. I feel he could play that TP role of blitzing or covering without the QB knowing and with his speed make up ground where others cannot.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I have not given up hope on Shazier, I mean for gods sake he barely played. If nagging injuries ends up being a problem well sobeit. But if he can use his speed and get his knowledge of the playbook up this offseason he could be a nice weapon to have on defense. I feel he could play that TP role of blitzing or covering without the QB knowing and with his speed make up ground where others cannot.

It is simply too soon to say. With Jones it's still early but the arrow is not pointing up, with Worilds we know what we have at this point and it ain't worth $10 million.
Just hoping the injuries aren't chronic and we end up with another Willie Colon.

 

[Coryea]

One thing I've noticed over the years in most sports, even at the highschool level. You can have all the skill/combine #'s in the world, but it doesn't mean much if you don't work hard.

 

[wig]

Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.

 

[steelhurt]

I did not like either pick, Uncle Jarvis or Shazier. I would have preferred Tyler Eiffert The ND TE instead of Jarvis and Mosley over Shazier. I know, Eiffert has been injured but we do not know and will never know if the same scenario would have played out had he been drafted here. Injuries happen but I think this kid will turn out to be an excellent TE. We would now have Miller, Eiffert and Spaeth at TE and Mosely and Timmons as ILB's. We would still have James and Worrilds at the OLB and be in the hunt to draft an OLB this draft and either sign Worrilds or bring in a F/A.

 

[bermudasteel]

Maybe Tomlin should have drafted the bigger, better Moseley instead of the pumped up safety.

If the reports are true - and most here know I wanted CJ - then all I can say is I hope we take a long and hard look at some of the LB's coming out of 'Bama - we missed on Upshaw and CJ...

 

[POP]

Ryan Shazier: 225 Bench:25, Vert Jump:42, Broad Jump:10'10", 3-Cone:6.91, 40-Yard:4.4
Patrick Willis: 225 Bench:22, Vert Jump:39, Broad Jump:9'11", 3-Cone:7.10, 40-Yard: 4.4

Shazier tested better than Patrick Willis and had just as much big game exposure...you really think he was going to go in the second round? He was taken exactly where he should have been.

On paper, you are right. But OSU is creating a reputation of creating monster athletes - with immense physical skills - but who don't produce in the NFL. Willis had NO question marks coming into the draft. I wanted Pgh to trade up to get him. I do think Shazier would have gone in the first round of the draft if Pgh didn't take him. I guess they went around the same pick (11 Willis, 15 for Shazier). But after 1 year (I know, I know, not long enough) Willis blew it up as a rookie and Shazier simply made no impact, for one reason (injured) or another (not effective on the field). I sure hope Shazier can end up producing like Willis, but, so far, I don't see it. Willis has ALWAYS looked like a beast on the field, Shazier looked like a safety trying to play ILB. Willis immediately looked like he could dominate at the NFL level, while Shazier looked somewhat scared ad lost. But maybe that was, in part, due to Dick's super rocket science system.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

I did not like either pick, Uncle Jarvis or Shazier. I would have preferred Tyler Eiffert The ND TE instead of Jarvis and Mosley over Shazier. I know, Eiffert has been injured but we do not know and will never know if the same scenario would have played out had he been drafted here. Injuries happen but I think this kid will turn out to be an excellent TE. We would now have Miller, Eiffert and Spaeth at TE and Mosely and Timmons as ILB's. We would still have James and Worrilds at the OLB and be in the hunt to draft an OLB this draft and either sign Worrilds or bring in a F/A.

Who's to say then that Mosley wouldn't have been injured here and Shazier wouldn't be enjoying a great career in Dallas? If you offer a pass to Eiffert for injuries, you have to offer the same to Shazier. It will be interesting to see how all these kids' careers turn out. Just a lil to early to tell imo.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

On paper, you are right. But OSU is creating a reputation of creating monster athletes - with immense physical skills - but who don't produce in the NFL. Willis had NO question marks coming into the draft. I wanted Pgh to trade up to get him. I do think Shazier would have gone in the first round of the draft if Pgh didn't take him. I guess they went around the same pick (11 Willis, 15 for Shazier). But after 1 year (I know, I know, not long enough) Willis blew it up as a rookie and Shazier simply made no impact, for one reason (injured) or another (not effective on the field). I sure hope Shazier can end up producing like Willis, but, so far, I don't see it. Willis has ALWAYS looked like a beast on the field, Shazier looked like a safety trying to play ILB. Willis immediately looked like he could dominate at the NFL level, while Shazier looked somewhat scared ad lost. But maybe that was, in part, due to Dick's super rocket science system.

Please do list all of these.

 

[Supersteeler]

Please do list all of these.

As a fan of the team, I admit that historically it's a fair argument.....although highly touted players from OSU have done better in recent years.......if you don't count Mike Adams that is lol. The Andy Katzemoyers and Beanie Wells types didn't pan out and it seemed like there were a lot of those type for awhile there. Players seem to be adjusting better to the pro game as of late.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

As a fan of the team, historically it's a fair argument although highly touted players form OSU have done better in recent years.......if you don't count Mike Adams that is lol. The Andy Katzemoyers and Beanie Wells types didn't pan out.

Those are guys from five to 10 years ago. Right now, we have players like Alex Boone, Philly Brown (UFA), AJ Hawk, Boom Herron, Cam Heyward, Carlos Hyde, James Laurinaitis, Corey Linsley, Nick Mangold, etc. etc. playing in the NFL. The myth of the tOSU football player being more athlete/workout warrior than football player is just that. Not all are stars, but there is a pretty fair representation of Buckeyes in the league. I'd challenge anyone to name a power five conference school who hasn't had players drafted high that busted out of the league.

Anyway, here's a list of Buckeyes in the league. It might surprise you to see how many there are that are starting and contributing if not stars.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/college/_/letter/o

 

[POP]

Please do list all of these.

Ken Fritz
2 Dallas Cowboys Doug Donley Wide Receiver
4 110 Philadelphia Eagles Calvin Murray Runningback
5 131 San Diego Chargers Keith Ferguson Linebacker
6 163 Dallas Cowboys Vince Skillings Defensive Back
1 4 Baltimore Colts Art Schlichter Quarterback
1 304 Cincinnati Bengals Gary Williams Wide Receiver
1 27 New York Giants William Roberts Offensive Guard
2 56 San Francisco 49ers John Frank Tight End
1 16 Miami Dolphins Eric Kumerow Outside Linebacker
3 56 Atlanta Falcons Alex Higdon Tight End
156 Miami Dolphins George Cooper Running Back
1 19 Green Bay Packers Vinnie Clark Cornerback
1 1 Cincinnati Bengals Dan Wilkinson Defensive Tackle
1 30 Cleveland Browns Craig Powell Linebacker
3 98 San Diego Chargers Preston Harrison Linebacker
1 28 New England Patriots Andy Katzenmoyer Linebacker
1 29 St. Louis Rams Ryan Pickett Defensive Tackle
6 181 Pittsburgh Steelers Rodney Bailey Defensive End
3 101 Denver Broncos Maurice Clarett Running Back
18 Dallas Cowboys Bobby Carpenter Linebacker
76 New York Jets Anthony Schlegel Linebacker
1 9 Miami Dolphins Ted Ginn, Jr. Wide Receiver
3 18 Indianapolis Colts Quinn Pitcock Defensive End
5 138 Oakland Raiders Jay Richardson Defensive Tackle
5 174 Baltimore Ravens Troy Smith Quarterback
1 6 New York Jets Vernon Gholston Defensive Line
7 214 San Francisco 49ers Larry Grant Linebacker
1 31 Arizona Cardinals Chris Wells Running back
2 36 Cleveland Browns Brian Robiskie Wide receiver
4 116 Pittsburgh Steelers Thaddeus Gibson Defensive End
7 242 Pittsburgh Steelers Doug Worthington Defensive Tackle
2 56 Pittsburgh Steelers Mike Adams Offensive Tackle
3 68 Houston Texans DeVier Posey Wide Receiver
6 191 Cincinnati Bengals Dan Herron Running Back
6 197 New England Patriots Nate Ebner Safety

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Ken Fritz
2 Dallas Cowboys Doug Donley Wide Receiver
4 110 Philadelphia Eagles Calvin Murray Runningback
5 131 San Diego Chargers Keith Ferguson Linebacker
6 163 Dallas Cowboys Vince Skillings Defensive Back
1 4 Baltimore Colts Art Schlichter Quarterback
1 304 Cincinnati Bengals Gary Williams Wide Receiver
1 27 New York Giants William Roberts Offensive Guard
2 56 San Francisco 49ers John Frank Tight End
1 16 Miami Dolphins Eric Kumerow Outside Linebacker
3 56 Atlanta Falcons Alex Higdon Tight End
156 Miami Dolphins George Cooper Running Back
1 19 Green Bay Packers Vinnie Clark Cornerback
1 1 Cincinnati Bengals Dan Wilkinson Defensive Tackle
1 30 Cleveland Browns Craig Powell Linebacker
3 98 San Diego Chargers Preston Harrison Linebacker
1 28 New England Patriots Andy Katzenmoyer Linebacker
1 29 St. Louis Rams Ryan Pickett Defensive Tackle
6 181 Pittsburgh Steelers Rodney Bailey Defensive End
3 101 Denver Broncos Maurice Clarett Running Back
18 Dallas Cowboys Bobby Carpenter Linebacker
76 New York Jets Anthony Schlegel Linebacker
1 9 Miami Dolphins Ted Ginn, Jr. Wide Receiver
3 18 Indianapolis Colts Quinn Pitcock Defensive End
5 138 Oakland Raiders Jay Richardson Defensive Tackle
5 174 Baltimore Ravens Troy Smith Quarterback
1 6 New York Jets Vernon Gholston Defensive Line
7 214 San Francisco 49ers Larry Grant Linebacker
1 31 Arizona Cardinals Chris Wells Running back
2 36 Cleveland Browns Brian Robiskie Wide receiver
4 116 Pittsburgh Steelers Thaddeus Gibson Defensive End
7 242 Pittsburgh Steelers Doug Worthington Defensive Tackle
2 56 Pittsburgh Steelers Mike Adams Offensive Tackle
3 68 Houston Texans DeVier Posey Wide Receiver
6 191 Cincinnati Bengals Dan Herron Running Back
6 197 New England Patriots Nate Ebner Safety

Now, please show me where the tOSU bust rate is higher than any other school from a power five conference. Btw, it seems you are using an awful lot of 3rd through 7th rounders to make your point. And please you're using guys going to the freaking 70's; that has no realistic correlation to today. Also, guys like Herron and Posey, as I said, are not stars, but they are solid contributors.

 

[POP]

Now, please show me where the tOSU bust rate is higher than any other school from a power five conference. Btw, it seems you are using an awful lot of 3rd through 7th rounders to make your point. And please you're using guys going to the freaking 70's; that has no realistic correlation to today. Also, guys like Herron and Posey, as I said, are not stars, but they are solid contributors.

Your screen name may just indicate a certain bias. You didn't specify that they had to only be draft picks from the last few years, did it? And there are plenty busts from 1-3 rounds. Adams, a 2nd round pick is worse than most undrafted free agents. He is god awful, one of the worst draft picks in Steeler history. Robiskie, a 2nd rounder, couldn't even make any one's roster, period. A 2nd rounder should at least be a starter, if not a star, and he couldn't even make 4th string. Chris Wells, a FIRST ROUNDER, is a turd. Vernon Gholston, another player with immense physical gifts, couldn't even make a practice squad - pathetic. Thaddeus Gibson, another with great physical skills, couldn't even make a roster any where. Ted Ginn, a high 1st round pick, is still in the league, but not even starting WR and has bounced around all over the league - not what you would expect from a 1st round pick. Maurice Clarett, once touted as a high 1st round pick, spent more time in jail than on any NFL roster and never did ANYTHING in the league. Another failed OSU top talent. I remember when he was on the cover of SI with the headline, "One and Done" where he was to be the 1st player to enter the NFL as a 19 year old. Another 1st round pick, Andy Katzenmoyer, never did a damn thing in the NFL, nothing. He was terrible. Bobby Carpenter, another 1st rounder, was always terrible. He was soft, even though he had these great measurables. And one of the best examples, all day, is Big Daddy Wilkerson, the #1 pick over all, who stuck in the league for a while, but never produced crap, especially as the 1st round over all pick.Terrible. But, you are right. OSU never has any busts.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Your screen name may just indicate a certain bias. You didn't specify that they had to only be draft picks from the last few years, did it? And there are plenty busts from 1-3 rounds. Adams, a 2nd round pick is worse than most undrafted free agents. He is god awful, one of the worst draft picks in Steeler history. Robiskie, a 2nd rounder, couldn't even make any one's roster, period. A 2nd rounder should at least be a starter, if not a star, and he couldn't even make 4th string. Chris Wells, a FIRST ROUNDER, is a turd. Vernon Gholston, another player with immense physical gifts, couldn't even make a practice squad - pathetic. Thaddeus Gibson, another with great physical skills, couldn't even make a roster any where. Ted Ginn, a high 1st round pick, is still in the league, but not even starting WR and has bounced around all over the league - not what you would expect from a 1st round pick. Maurice Clarett, once touted as a high 1st round pick, spent more time in jail than on any NFL roster and never did ANYTHING in the league. Another failed OSU top talent. I remember when he was on the cover of SI with the headline, "One and Done" where he was to be the 1st player to enter the NFL as a 19 year old. Another 1st round pick, Andy Katzenmoyer, never did a damn thing in the NFL, nothing. He was terrible. Bobby Carpenter, another 1st rounder, was always terrible. He was soft, even though he had these great measurables. And one of the best examples, all day, is Big Daddy Wilkerson, the #1 pick over all, who stuck in the league for a while, but never produced crap, especially as the 1st round over all pick.Terrible. But, you are right. OSU never has any busts.

Screen name has nothing to do with it. Two things I noticed about your list were the large number of names from the 70s, 80s and 90s and the fact that you include a large number of "busts" from the 3rd through 7th rounds (rounds that you can't objectively look at and expect more stars than failures). Also, as I asked, please show me where the tOSU bust rate is higher than any other school from a power five conference. I could comprise a list like that for just about any school from the B1G, Big 12, SEC, ACC and PAC.

But, I did provide a list of tOSU players currently in the NFL and as I said, not all are stars but most are contributors. Same with just about any power five conference school.

I get it, you didn't like the Shazier pick. He's on PEDs according to you and now he's too small, etc. Newsflash, for a guy who has "a certain bias", I wasn't on board with the pick myself. I wanted a CB. But, now that he's here, I'll give him more than the half a season he's played before I label him a bust.

And I guess we'll just have to disagree about tOSU players in the NFL.

 

[xjx]

Players were afraid "not" to play for Cowher. Players are on vacation when reporting to Tomlin. There is the difference.

 

[POP]

Players were afraid "not" to play for Cowher. Players are on vacation when reporting to Tomlin. There is the difference.

In all honesty, I think players were afraid "not" to play with Lloyd, Woodson, Lake, Greene, Porter, Ward, Bus, et all leading the team. Cowher helped them attain their status, and rewarded those who did, but veteran leaders make a big difference.

 

[POP]

Screen name has nothing to do with it. Two things I noticed about your list were the large number of names from the 70s, 80s and 90s and the fact that you include a large number of "busts" from the 3rd through 7th rounds (rounds that you can't objectively look at and expect more stars than failures). Also, as I asked, please show me where the tOSU bust rate is higher than any other school from a power five conference. I could comprise a list like that for just about any school from the B1G, Big 12, SEC, ACC and PAC.

But, I did provide a list of tOSU players currently in the NFL and as I said, not all are stars but most are contributors. Same with just about any power five conference school.

I get it, you didn't like the Shazier pick. He's on PEDs according to you and now he's too small, etc. Newsflash, for a guy who has "a certain bias", I wasn't on board with the pick myself. I wanted a CB. But, now that he's here, I'll give him more than the half a season he's played before I label him a bust.

And I guess we'll just have to disagree about tOSU players in the NFL.

I was down on the Shazier pick immediately, but then thought maybe I was wrong and gave him a chance, but ever since, he has shown nothing, other than he looks more like a bigger safety than an average sized ILB. Willis has always looked like a beast, day one. The NFL never seemed to big for Willis, but Shazier looked intimidated and scared out there.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

I was down on the Shazier pick immediately, but then thought maybe I was wrong and gave him a chance, but ever since, he has shown nothing, other than he looks more like a bigger safety than an average sized ILB. Willis has always looked like a beast, day one. The NFL never seemed to big for Willis, but Shazier looked intimidated and scared out there.

Opinions are good. Especially ones that are stated. I guess we'll see if yours is right or not. Again, personally if they were going to take a Buckeye, I wanted them to find a way to get Roby, but he wasn't projected as a good value at 1:15.

 

[topseed]

According to Tomlin. If anybody heard his end of year press conference, it's clear Tomlin thinks Shazier had minor injuries that he could have played with, but chose not to.

This whole team could use some toughening up. That was the main takeaway from the ravens game. The ravens are tough, the Steelers are soft.

According to Tomlin, the arrow is pointing up for both Worilds and Mitchell, so trying to logically interpret anything the guy says is a crapshoot.

 

[steelreeling]

Where are they now? Special Edition: Maurice Clarett. Are you listening Johnny Manzel? lol

 

[TazManianDevil]

Apparently Steelers draft OSU players because they're more familiar with their program.

Ravens draft Oklahoma players because they're more familiar with their program.....

I think Ive found the reason why Ravens have been far more physical than us lately....we draft from ***** University.