Steelers losing out would be best case scenario

[Steelr4evr]

I don't want Tomlin to win another game but I can't root for losses. It's win win either way I guess.

If it was half way enjoyable and they looked like they had their **** together, it's easy to accept losing to better teams.

 

[madinsomniac]

I’ve been down this path too often to be fooled again..
This team will win two of tge next three and somehow win in Baltimore….

Maybe they make the playoffs and lose there horrendously to a team that is all backups or something, or maybe they just miss out and everyone says if only the injuries didn’t happen…

Either way Mikey will be back

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

Pickett gets no pass once he is working with what I deem to be an NFL offensive coordinator. Mitch Trubisky looked no better he was top 5? How would Bryce Young look in this. They paid up to get him. So you can throw a middle of the first round pick at that next year and see how that goes for you. I'd rather get a new coach and if they sink to bottom at least you get pick of the litter.

Trubisky is a proven failure and back up at best.

Pickett is inaccurate on slants and deep balls, he has poor pocket presence, he has done little to nothing to elevate the team to a higher level and be a difference maker on an individual level. You expect that from a quality starting QB.

Has he had good coaching and support? No

He should be evaluated on his merits and not given a pass for his time here, no one gives anyone else on the team a pass for not being good enough, he shouldn’t be any different

If they do get rid of Tomlin the new coach will not be giving Pickett or any other player a pass for what’s on film regardless of coaching when making roster decisions

 

[Burghfan58]

To be fair, think about how Ben could have had an even greater career if he had a competent HC for the majority of it. Ben was held back by Tomlin and still won in spite of him. Pickett can't do that, he needs help. Do I think Pickett is our guy going forward, probably not but Tomlin only makes it worse.

I was thinking about the Roethlisberger scenario and his legal troubles. When the "fit hit the shan," many wanted him gone. If that had happened we would have been left wondering what might have been and how many more Lombardis we would have on display. Reality, he stayed played great, set records, but still no more Lombardis that we had going into that mess. Just one of those things that make you go hmmm.

 

[CoolieMan]

Team is beyond salvageable for this year. Tomlin lost the locker room, No QB, no chance in the playoffs even if they were to somehow get in.
Better Draft pick, Higher odds of Tomlin getting canned. I just don't see a downside?

Burn it down

**** losing out

 

[Phinnster]

Team is beyond salvageable for this year. Tomlin lost the locker room, No QB, no chance in the playoffs even if they were to somehow get in.
Better Draft pick, Higher odds of Tomlin getting canned. I just don't see a downside?

Burn it down

Better yet, before you fire him, trade him for a 1st round pick. Personally I wouldn't give up a 7th for him, but some people think he's worth a 1st.

"It’s not unrealistic to think a Tomlin trade could yield the Steelers at least a first-round pick, depending on how desperate the other team would be for an established head coach."

https://heavy.com/sports/pittsburgh-steelers/mike-tomlin-trade-rumors-nfl/

 

[alancac98]

Gentlemen, we don't need better coaches - we need better teachers! These coaches are **** because they don't teach the game and the position. Remember what Smith-Shuster said in an interview after he was signed by the Chiefs? He said he has learned more about offense in 3 days than he did his entire time in Pittsburgh. That is the biggest deficiency you are seeing in this team. The coaches are saying do this, but not teaching the small nuances of the position or what to see and how to react to it!

 

[wig]

I’ve been down this path too often to be fooled again..
This team will win two of tge next three and somehow win in Baltimore….

Maybe they make the playoffs and lose there horrendously to a team that is all backups or something, or maybe they just miss out and everyone says if only the injuries didn’t happen…

Either way Mikey will be back

It's true.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Trubisky is a proven failure and back up at best.

Pickett is inaccurate on slants and deep balls, he has poor pocket presence, he has done little to nothing to elevate the team to a higher level and be a difference maker on an individual level. You expect that from a quality starting QB.

Has he had good coaching and support? No

He should be evaluated on his merits and not given a pass for his time here, no one gives anyone else on the team a pass for not being good enough, he shouldn’t be any different

If they do get rid of Tomlin the new coach will not be giving Pickett or any other player a pass for what’s on film regardless of coaching when making roster decisions

Think about it this way if Mitch is a fail and KP is a fail and about 20 other first round guys from Bryce Young to Trey Lance what is tgebpoint of taking another Q till there is a new coaching regime and this is a good sound football team.

 

[warriors42]

What a joke this team has become. 80% of this board wanted Ben gone two years before he left, Ben leaves and the team gets worse.

Canada is the whole problem with the offense, he must be fired. Canada gets fired and still the team gets worse. side note not a big Canada fan but I truly believe he was just the fall guy.

we have stars all over the defense yet the team continues to get worse.

We either have or want to shoot everyone in our ******* organization EXCEPT for the two people who are actually responsible for the destruction. the ******* owner and the ******* head coach.

I have lived through some very ****** seasons with both Noll and Cowher, hell there was a year that was so bad I actually tried to force myself to follow the lions because I lived in MI and we sucked so bad, but I just couldn't. I remember when we would lose and I would be so pissed it would take me three days after a win to get over the previous loss... NOT ANYMORE.

The culture of this team is gone. there was a time where this organization not only didn't accept losing but they actually didn't know how to lose. Now we are an organization that accepts average is good enough and we have become a team that doesn't know how to win anymore. you can look at a number of teams that have this same culture that we use to laugh at and make fun of. Now we are the team being mocked and made fun of.

I honestly think you can see it on the faces of a lot of the players now, they don't go into a game expecting to win they go in expecting to lose.

 

[Sarge]

On SiriusXM today they were talking Tomlin up, about how amazing it is that he got even 7 wins out of this team. I’m like “ He built the ******* team.” These talking heads act like Kahn just handed him a team and said “Here ya go Mike. This is your team. Good luck.” Like Tomlin has zero say in anything. Give me a break.

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

Think about it this way if Mitch is a fail and KP is a fail and about 20 other first round guys from Bryce Young to Trey Lance what is tgebpoint of taking another Q till there is a new coaching regime and this is a good sound football team.

The point is it’s about trying to win, you don’t just shrug your shoulders and say well it’s too risky what if we make another bad pick?

You don’t say yeah but who would be better? That’s how Tomlin gets defended, you’re the Pittsburgh Steelers, it’s your job to find someone better and not settle for mediocrity

 

[keslerclan]

Nice analysis Maowv. A good chunk of the issues you identified could be fixed with an offensive line coach. The blocking schemes are horrendous, I mean protections always work from the A gap outwards, yet these bozos are letting the A and B gaps exposed trying to take the edge rushers leaving the RB to take the blitz. WHAT? In terms of technique, they are equally as bad. They often times step with the wrong foot and/or punch with the wrong lead hand. If you can get this group serviceable (The talent level is what it is) then the QB's can work through progressions and wouldn't have happy feet. It would also allow intermediary routes to open down field and allow double moves for chunk plays. It would open the playbook up as well because right now, how many plays can they run when the QB's only have 2.5 seconds to make their reads.

This offense needs to be a 60-40 run to pass ratio offense and 90 percent of the plays should be under center with play action. This allows the QB to get into a rhythm and flow and gives the offense timing. I would have Naj and Warren on the field together for most of the packages so defenses would have to account for this two headed monster.

THIS ^^^
All of our Qbs (including BB) have had issues with the OL and their failure to provide adequate (2+ seconds) pass protection. Nobody can play QB effectively with the scheme that any PeeWee coach could defend. The plays and lazy route progressions are sooo easy to anticipate that nobody can get open. We are left with hooks/come-back routes and 50/50s that are our best hope as they can be executed sometimes even when the defender knows the play IF the timing is there w the Qb. This is awful design. The runs are even more predictable, which is why our backs are contacted behind the line more often than any other team in the league. BOTH problems start up front and can be fixed with better design and technique. WE HAVE the players that have executed well on the OL for other teams with a different scheme/technique. I'm sure Duece asked for a ball-control offense, he just didn't get the coaching and schemes to make it work. We should be able to run the ball with the OL we have. Though a dominant Center would help, other teams have had much greater success with MUCH worse talent. Yes, IF we want to run the damn ball effectively, we must be more deliberate and putting two backs in the designed hole would help instead of running predictable "diversions" with our help. Our "lead" blocking is also atrocious. All 3 TEs block poorly on the move and the predictability of the play design doesn't help. I don't know if its the play is harder to block when the defense knows its coming or if these guys are getting poor coaching. Any way you look at it, our offensive players get worse the longer they play here. That is coaching/scheme/design related. In my mind, we need Munchak (who as recently as this past season said he would love to come back) or Jeff Southland (Philly's OL coach) to be hired as an OL/RGC who can develop their own schemes/plays to get the running game where it wants to be. Then, we can concentrate our OC hire on a PGC similar to Bobby Slowik to design the passing game OFF OF the running game. HCMT isn't going anywhere in 2024 but should be told to keep his hands off of the offense at least. Finding a new DC will be much more difficult as they all know he will be a DC in name only...for a year, at least.
P.S.- DId everyone see how well protected Zappe was last night against our supposed strength? No words.

 

[TDX27]

Team is beyond salvageable for this year. Tomlin lost the locker room, No QB, no chance in the playoffs even if they were to somehow get in.
Better Draft pick, Higher odds of Tomlin getting canned. I just don't see a downside?

Burn it down

It won't matter. They already have enough wins so they will get a middle-of-the-road or worse draft pick. The way this team is playing, the best they do is go .500 the rest of the way and finish 9-8 and out of the playoffs. Losing out and finishing 7-10 would move them up a few picks. Not sure who they will get but they certainly won't be picking a QB.

 

[SteelerSask2]

The point is it’s about trying to win, you don’t just shrug your shoulders and say well it’s too risky what if we make another bad pick?

You don’t say yeah but who would be better? That’s how Tomlin gets defended, you’re the Pittsburgh Steelers, it’s your job to find someone better and not settle for mediocrity

My point is I explicitly do not want any more scapegoats or explain aways or false hope for Mike Tomlin. I do not want him to get some other quarterback make the playoffs and get another 3 year deal. Sink or swim with Kenny. He was Tomlins choice. Let him sink if that's what it is.

 

[SCSteeler4life]

Look no further than Tomlin's coaching tree or should I say coaching stick. Not a single offensive or defensive coordinator has been hired away and became a head coach. That is unheard of for a coach of his tenure not to have some head coaches somewhere. Only good ones I remember was Arians (fired I think) , Munchak that left us for another job and the guy last year Brian Flores who I would have loved to kept at DC or head coach. That's proof enough.

 

[madinsomniac]

The point is it’s about trying to win, you don’t just shrug your shoulders and say well it’s too risky what if we make another bad pick?

You don’t say yeah but who would be better? That’s how Tomlin gets defended, you’re the Pittsburgh Steelers, it’s your job to find someone better and not settle for mediocrity

Tge real point should be that we need to spend several more high round picks on the Oline and Dline before we start talking skill again…

Also even if we fire Tomlin now I 10000% guarantee that the team goes into next season with Pickett as tge starter because they believe that players aren’t a final product in year 2… which is why they hung on to a myriad of high picks…

If you are looking for new qbs The best you can hope for is that if Mitch is careless with the football, maybe a new backup is here… but probably just a new low round or refub third string guy…

Also Tomlin can lose out and still get another shot next year.. that’s almost a guaranteed thing… he will have to have multiple losing seasons to be publicly fired

 

[madinsomniac]

Look no further than Tomlin's coaching tree or should I say coaching stick. Not a single offensive or defensive coordinator has been hired away and became a head coach. That is unheard of for a coach of his tenure not to have some head coaches somewhere. Only good ones I remember was Arians (fired I think) , Munchak that left us for another job and the guy last year Brian Flores who I would have loved to kept at DC or head coach. That's proof enough.

Arians was forcibly retired for his inability to protect Ben from sacks… he immediately became OC in Indy and assumed the head coaching position when their HC had a heart attack and couldn’t coach… that led to him being HC at Tampa.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Tomlin not being HC of this team next season is a pipe dream. Bigger issue is if they extend him or not. That is the big one.

 

[Troglodyte]

Team is beyond salvageable for this year. Tomlin lost the locker room, No QB, no chance in the playoffs even if they were to somehow get in.
Better Draft pick, Higher odds of Tomlin getting canned. I just don't see a downside?

Burn it down

The better draft pick thing is hypothetical. I’d only root for them to lose out if it meant Tomlin gets shitcanned.

 

[Superman]

On SiriusXM today they were talking Tomlin up, about how amazing it is that he got even 7 wins out of this team. I’m like “ He built the ******* team.” These talking heads act like Kahn just handed him a team and said “Here ya go Mike. This is your team. Good luck.” Like Tomlin has zero say in anything. Give me a break.

and in all truth, this is a talented team.

on paper.

our OL - aside from Mason Cole - is good or very good (Jones).
Pickett should be making strides. Trubisky should be the veteran clipboard holder nurturing Kenny.
Our WRs, even with the drops - are good.
TEs are solid.

Defense... good across the board.

but, what is the issue? You simply cannot throw guys together and expect them to lead themselves. Despite their pedigree. Or lack thereof. Despite their own hardwork (Watt, Cam), or lack thereof. I doubt these dudes just sit around all week and **** off. They have practices, but how intense are those? We've heard of some lax practices over the years... are these now coming to a head? It would seeem so.

but, who is responsible for these lax practices, the players themselves ******* off, lining up wrong, installing **** game plans, not adjusting at half...

Mike Tomlin.

Fire him. Bring in a guy who knows how to work hard. Who knows what it takes to overcome adversity and achieve success. Not only success, bit achieve the highest success in his chosen profession. The guy who was never the most talented, but put in more work than the most talented.

Hines Edward Ward. Head Coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers, 2024.

 

[jitter77]

I do not want us to lose out just because that means watching more crap football. I do not know how we are going to hang w/ Indy. Minshew may make some mistakes, but he is not afraid to sling it around and Indy's offense is way better than the Pats. The defense suddenly cant get pressure and our coverage can not hold up.

 

[MT~Forged]

Tomlin is on record sayin, if you don’t know your position, they can’t help you. He has also said that he expects the players to be self motivated as men should be.

 

[Aussie_Steeler]

Tomlin is on record sayin, if you don’t know your position, they can’t help you. He has also said that he expects the players to be self motivated as men should be.

That being the case I'd love to know what Tomlin believes he is paid to do - after all if it's the players responsibility to know their job and motivate themselves, why do the Steelers need a head coach?

 

[Aussie_Steeler]

Tomlin not being HC of this team next season is a pipe dream. Bigger issue is if they extend him or not. That is the big one.

If he's Head Coach next year, they need to extend him - when he's been there 17 years if you go into the last year of his contract without an extension you're basically saying you don't have faith in him. If you think the players are half-assing now, wait until they go into a season knowing the organisation doesn't believe Tomlin is the future.