Steelers losing out would be best case scenario

[Steelr4evr]

That being the case I'd love to know what Tomlin believes he is paid to do - after all if it's the players responsibility to know their job and motivate themselves, why do the Steelers need a head coach?

The first part is alarming. They should be teachers. That's why some players have stated they learned a tremendous amount more playing elsewhere than they ever did playing for the Steelers.

This you're on your own **** is a massive reason why they will never reach elite status again.

The second part I'm with the coaches on. Motivation!

" If I have to motivate you, I will fire you " - Chuck Noll


You have to be self motivated. All of that rah rah **** doesn't last long. If you can't develop a deep drive to be the best, you're in the wrong profession. It has to be more than money.

With that being said, a toxic work environment filled with half *** workers can knock the wind out of anyone's sails. Especially when your success is dependent on a collective group functioning as one. If your bosses or coaches in this case are poor and give you no chance at reaching your collective goal, you have serious problems.

A very disgruntled workplace will follow. The workers vs fuckoffs. I'm sure every single person who has worked long enough has experienced this.

 

[xjx]

Let's say Tomlin is fired. Many think he will be hired right away by another team. Ok. Who wants to work under Tomlin other than the funkies he has now.

Working under Tomlin is a dead end. He will fail when he goes to another team.

 

[Steel G]

This pisses me off cause last year was the perfect time to bottom out when they were 2-6. But nooo, they had to beat a bunch of crappy backup QBs to rally and everyone thought Tomlin was a genius.

 

[SteelerSask2]

If he's Head Coach next year, they need to extend him - when he's been there 17 years if you go into the last year of his contract without an extension you're basically saying you don't have faith in him. If you think the players are half-assing now, wait until they go into a season knowing the organisation doesn't believe Tomlin is the future.

So they don't fire and don't let contracts run out. So is he HC till he dies at 88. Cause I doubt I make that.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Let's say Tomlin is fired. Many think he will be hired right away by another team. Ok. Who wants to work under Tomlin other than the funkies he has now.

Working under Tomlin is a dead end. He will fail when he goes to another team.

If Tomlin doesn't want to broadcast a team will snap him up in a heartbeat. Arizona, Chargers, Giants, Tampa would all kill for continously mediocre. All I know is I wish him all the best. I know in my brain and heart nothing great is happening with him in Pittsburgh. Not a f'ckn chance. Seen more than enough.

 

[warriors42]

If Tomlin doesn't want to broadcast a team will snap him up in a heartbeat. Arizona, Chargers, Giants, Tampa would all kill for continously mediocre. All I know is I wish him all the best. I know in my brain and heart nothing great is happening with him in Pittsburgh. Not a f'ckn chance. Seen more than enough.

This is exactly why I posted in another thread to put him on the trading block. Sean payton was traded for TWO first round picks, my bet is no one would offer us a second for him right now. I truly believe everyone is seeing through his bull **** except Art ll.

If we played some of the schedules that some of the Ben-less Cowher teams played right now, we wouldn't win two games. Tomlin is ******* lucky we are not 5-8 right now because our Defense won at least two games by scoring on turnovers, if they had not scored and the offense had to win; well the smart money would be on us being 5-8.

 

[SteelerSask2]

This is exactly why I posted in another thread to put him on the trading block. Sean payton was traded for TWO first round picks, my bet is no one would offer us a second for him right now. I truly believe everyone is seeing through his bull **** except Art ll.

If we played some of the schedules that some of the Ben-less Cowher teams played right now, we wouldn't win two games. Tomlin is ******* lucky we are not 5-8 right now because our Defense won at least two games by scoring on turnovers, if they had not scored and the offense had to win; well the smart money would be on us being 5-8.

So Sean Payton was done with the Saints went to broadcasting. The Saints traded rights to him. Coaches aren't like players you can't trade them as a commodity. It wouod have to be feelings mutual. But hypothetically I'm confident one of several teams would pony a first rounder. Payton has had roughly the same success as Tomlin. I know Tomlin needs to go. I'd lead the charge. But no market.......you are dreaming.
Sean Peyton career .622 Tomlin is .636 and Peyton has two more career playoff wins.

 

[Greg Lloyd]

Team is beyond salvageable for this year. Tomlin lost the locker room, No QB, no chance in the playoffs even if they were to somehow get in.
Better Draft pick, Higher odds of Tomlin getting canned. I just don't see a downside?

Burn it down

If this is the best Deuce can do, consider a change at that spot too. I know, I know, it's a family run biz and not in our control (nor is the coach for that matter). But isn't their another Rooney floating around involved in the team who may have a less antiquated attitude/view on things? Like in his 30's or 40's?

 

[MTC]

Very true, but being honest, how do you expect Pickett or any or our players to grow and improve with the lack of any sound coaching? We do the same crap over and over again and expect different results.

Exactly.

When Tomlin took over in 2007. He inherited a roster that was properly coached and more than likely gave the reigns to the veteran rich team.

He also seemingly relied on their experience and input because his flaws became more amplified as that 2007 roster aged and retired.


He did luck out with TJ, Highsmith, Cam Heyward.


But for the most part a lot of his guys have been bust or are just being utilized based off physical talent alone. There’s no real coaching that caters to their strengths and mask’ their weaknesses. Proper coaching addresses weakness in it’s players and designs a system to minimize those attributes.

This has been more so the theme that showed as early as 2009.

Tomlin also experienced player backlack in the early part of his career. Faneca had a dislike for him and Willie Parker also called Tomlin out.

I don’t buy he’s this want to “play for” guy as advertised. A true x’s and o’s player will sign elsewhere. This team is country club at the moment

 

[MTC]

Pickett gets no pass once he is working with what I deem to be an NFL offensive coordinator. Mitch Trubisky looked no better he was top 5? How would Bryce Young look in this. They paid up to get him. So you can throw a middle of the first round pick at that next year and see how that goes for you. I'd rather get a new coach and if they sink to bottom at least you get pick of the litter.

Bryce hasnt looked all that effectively in Carolina. He’d look horrible here

 

[SteelerSask2]

You need coach and scheme and then if Kenny isnt your guy by all means go get him.

 

[Greg Lloyd]

If we played some of the schedules that some of the Ben-less Cowher teams played right now, we wouldn't win two games. Tomlin is ******* lucky we are not 5-8 right now because our Defense won at least two games by scoring on turnovers, if they had not scored and the offense had to win; well the smart money would be on us being 5-8.

Shades has proven a FOOL, a straight up Buffoon, at trying to manage an NFL offense. And I hope his new team - or, God help us, this team - knows enough to take away ALL responsibility/accountability away from him when it comes to the offense. He has proven time and again, he is incompetent in managing/running an offense. And I'm not so confident on his ability to run a D either; he has shown huge inadequacies at running the D: 7 yards off the ball on 3rd and 2, playing way off a WR at goalline. He has proven he needs competent coordinators on both sides of the ball guys who run their own area, not who just sign off on what paranoid, pee-your-pants Shades wants.

 

[warriors42]

So Sean Payton was done with the Saints went to broadcasting. The Saints traded rights to him. Coaches aren't like players you can't trade them as a commodity. It wouod have to be feelings mutual. But hypothetically I'm confident one of several teams would pony a first rounder. Payton has had roughly the same success as Tomlin. I know Tomlin needs to go. I'd lead the charge. But no market.......you are dreaming.
Sean Peyton career .622 Tomlin is .636 and Peyton has two more career playoff wins.

you are correct and that is one reason a trade would never happen. Tomlin is smart enough to know he would never get the job security he has here anywhere else in the league.

 

[Greg Lloyd]

You know years back if you would have told me we would lose back to back game at home to 2-10 teams, and not just lose them, but get handled by them. I'd say no way in the hell.


This thing is done.

This "thing" includes the buffoon head coach and it is ""done." Enough of those apologists mentioning no ""losing" season for Shades. He is incompetent at this stage.

 

[SteelerSask2]

you are correct and that is one reason a trade would never happen. Tomlin is smart enough to know he would never get the job security he has here anywhere else in the league.

If I'm in charge I pull him in a room and say Mike we are going different direction. We can have a slow painful year together next year and not renew or you can give me a list of top three cities you'd be interested in that are in coach need. I think Carolina could be interesting as I think he is somewhat from around there. But anyhow. We shop you to those three and you cash a mega deal.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Now is the time for above. Cause they are either going to renew contract or I don't really know what as I agree don't see him going into final year. If they renew.......Holy ****. Pass the Tylenol.

 

[MTC]

Now is the time for above. Cause they are either going to renew contract or I don't really know what as I agree don't see him going into final year. If they renew.......Holy ****. Pass the Tylenol.

Will aleve and sapporo help?

 

[steel dino]

Will go into ravens game at 8-8 ..I think we beat Cincy at home…
Go into Baltimore with slim playoff hopes ..
Ravens rest Lamar and others ..
Kenny returns from injury and we win to go 9-8
Kenny looks like the answer
And Coach T keeps his non losing season streak alive.

 

[speedicut]

Will aleve and sapporo help?

For me it's handcuffs and a blow to the back of the head.
Still might not be enough though.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Will aleve and sapporo help?

Yes

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Will go into ravens game at 8-8 ..I think we beat Cincy at home…
Go into Baltimore with slim playoff hopes ..
Ravens rest Lamar and others ..
Kenny returns from injury and we win to go 9-8
Kenny looks like the answer
And Coach T keeps his non losing season streak alive.

Never a losing season.
Greatest coach everrrr….

 

[Litos]

Gentlemen, we don't need better coaches - we need better teachers! These coaches are **** because they don't teach the game and the position. Remember what Smith-Shuster said in an interview after he was signed by the Chiefs? He said he has learned more about offense in 3 days than he did his entire time in Pittsburgh. That is the biggest deficiency you are seeing in this team. The coaches are saying do this, but not teaching the small nuances of the position or what to see and how to react to it!

But they also suck at coaching

 

[MTC]

Yes

Lol. I got you

 

[Confluence]

On SiriusXM today they were talking Tomlin up, about how amazing it is that he got even 7 wins out of this team. I’m like “ He built the ******* team.” These talking heads act like Kahn just handed him a team and said “Here ya go Mike. This is your team. Good luck.” Like Tomlin has zero say in anything. Give me a break.

The local Pittsburgh media seems to have turned. That matters, a lot.
This ain't America's team, it's Pittsburgh's team.

I have never cared about Rich Eisen's opinions, and will never, regardless of the iterative steps the Steelers take.

 

[Confluence]

Will aleve and sapporo help?

Puff, puff pass