Steelers select Dri Archer in Round 3

[CorpusDsteelers]

Joe said it all

 

[Tibs]

This board is now a desperate attempt to talk Dri Archer smack, and not much more.

Thank god you drop in every other page or so to point that out, otherwise we'd think we're carrying on about Steelers football. The blasphemy!

 

[Idioteque]

Thank god you drop in every other page or so to point that out, otherwise we'd think we're carrying on about Steelers football. The blasphemy!

Strong words from the guy who admittedly posts Archer stuff semi-daily to get a rise out of people.

It's not Archer discussion anymore. It's just turning most threads into Dri Archer threads for the sake of stirring some imaginary e-pot. T-man just started two new Archer threads in a two-day span for the sole purpose of e-sticking it to anyone who dared question the pick. (After all, he thinks Colclough and Adams were solid picks.)

 

[Wingman]

Get ready here comes the you're stalking me **** again

 

[Tibs]

Strong words from the guy who admittedly posts Archer stuff semi-daily to get a rise out of people.

Huh? I don't post anything to get a rise out of people and I've certainly never admitted to doing such. You pulling rabbits out of a hat at this point?

 

[Idioteque]

Get ready here comes the you're stalking me **** again

Another world beater

 

[Idioteque]

Huh? I don't post anything to get a rise out of people and I've certainly never admitted to doing such. You pulling rabbits out of a hat at this point?

A hat? Nope, just my computer screen.

Same with Tibs. He's a ****-stirrer, always has been. But that's his thing; he's here for fun and never takes this stuff seriously I'm sure.

Absolutely correct. I've always enjoyed the board....sometimes, we even get a little football talk in, which is icing on the cake

 

[Tibs]

Jeeezus, I was agreeing with this part of your sentence "...he's here for fun and never takes this stuff seriously." Which is basically true. Anyway, sorry the fact the Archer is looking pretty good thus far isn't quite working out the way you were anticipating. I hope he continues to improve and proves all you naysayers wrong.

 

[Idioteque]

"Sometimes we even get a little football talk in, which is icing on the cake"

Ahem

You spin faster than Tomlin did when he drafted Archer.

 

[Idioteque]

I can't wait for Tibs to make a list of the Real Steeler Fans, which I won't be on

I hate the Steelers, so I hope Archer sucks

 

[IndySteel]

Everyone probably knows this already but I just found out: Tomorrow's game is on NFL Network, for those of us out of the local viewing area...

Odds that Archer rips off another 40+? I'll say 2-1.

 

[t-man]

Strong words from the guy who admittedly posts Archer stuff semi-daily to get a rise out of people.

It's not Archer discussion anymore. It's just turning most threads into Dri Archer threads for the sake of stirring some imaginary e-pot. T-man just started two new Archer threads in a two-day span for the sole purpose of e-sticking it to anyone who dared question the pick. (After all, he thinks Colclough and Adams were solid picks.)

Munchack just said in an interview he feels Adams is coming along really well. I believe we were defining "busts" when we were talking, and since Colcolough wasn't great, but he also wasn't Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell, people seem to fail to realize as you go down in the rounds of the draft, talent evaluation gets more difficult, since there is usually a reason each person slides to a round after round 1.

At any rate, I never claimed to be any smarter than those draft people. You ******* jackholes did. I simply said lets wait and see. I'm still waiting on Adams, and the fact that you had to go alllllll the way back to 2004 for Ricardo is awesome. If memory serves me right, Ricardo was about as good at fielding punts as this Bryant guy is so far, ya know, the one we were supposed to take in the 3rd, AND who can of course return punts, since there is a very clear record of him doing it in college.

But hey, let's keep pretending I posted for 2800 ******* posts that we totally should have drafted Adams and Ricardo, cause of course, that's what happened. It wasn't in the middle of a discussion about multiple draft picks where you were attempting to label everyone not currently in the HOF as a bust. Nah, that wasn't it at all.

Joe

 

[t-man]

I also said that Gilbert sucked. It looks like I was wrong on that one, or at least I hope I am, since we just signed the guy. I know SOME of you would NEVER actually want that, to be wrong, and still have the team succeed, but I did say, at least three times here that Gilbert sucked. I thought he did suck. It does look like he's getting better. I suppose I'd have a more vested interest in defending my "he sucks" statement if I went on for ******* ever about how he sucks, and called everyone who disagreed with me stupid, but I didn't. And honestly, even if I had, I'd be right here, taking my ******* medicine, and not saying one ******* negative word.

When you yap yap yap on something you just MIGHT be wrong on, you want to be careful about how far out on that limb ya go, because sometimes it breaks.

Joe

 

[antdrewjosh]

I also said that Gilbert sucked. It looks like I was wrong on that one, or at least I hope I am, since we just signed the guy. I know SOME of you would NEVER actually want that, to be wrong, and still have the team succeed, but I did say, at least three times here that Gilbert sucked. I thought he did suck. It does look like he's getting better. I suppose I'd have a more vested interest in defending my "he sucks" statement if I went on for ******* ever about how he sucks, and called everyone who disagreed with me stupid, but I didn't. And honestly, even if I had, I'd be right here, taking my ******* medicine, and not saying one ******* negative word.

When you yap yap yap on something you just MIGHT be wrong on, you want to be careful about how far out on that limb ya go, because sometimes it breaks.

Joe

One day everyone will get that this is the reason this thread went 145 pages

 

[Idioteque]

Munchack just said in an interview he feels Adams is coming along really well. I believe we were defining "busts" when we were talking, and since Colcolough wasn't great, but he also wasn't Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell, people seem to fail to realize as you go down in the rounds of the draft, talent evaluation gets more difficult, since there is usually a reason each person slides to a round after round 1.

You told me they were solid second-round picks.

At any rate, I never claimed to be any smarter than those draft people. You ******* jackholes did.

The only poster I've seen claim to be smarter than the FO was Del. I've said the opposite repeatedly, so many times I've lost count.

And as I've stated repeatedly.. you have never, ever, not one time, seen me call a poster stupid without first being provoked. Zero times.

I simply said lets wait and see. I'm still waiting on Adams, and the fact that you had to go alllllll the way back to 2004 for Ricardo is awesome. If memory serves me right, Ricardo was about as good at fielding punts as this Bryant guy is so far, ya know, the one we were supposed to take in the 3rd, AND who can of course return punts, since there is a very clear record of him doing it in college.

I didn't want Bryant in the 3rd. Goddamn you're bad at this.

But hey, let's keep pretending I posted for 2800 ******* posts that we totally should have drafted Adams and Ricardo, cause of course, that's what happened. It wasn't in the middle of a discussion about multiple draft picks where you were attempting to label everyone not currently in the HOF as a bust. Nah, that wasn't it at all.

Joe

You stated very clearly that Sweed was our only recent poor second-round pick. (I think you mentioned Zo Jackson, too, which goes back wayyyyy before Colclough.) When I brought up Colclough, McFadden, Worilds, Adams, and Gilbert, you countered that they were all solid picks. And before you rant about how "Idiot thinks he outsmarted the FO that drafted those guys," note that I liked the McFadden and Adams picks at the time and had high hopes for both. I even defended the Zo pick, for the love of ****.

 

[Idioteque]

I know SOME of you would NEVER actually want that, to be wrong, and still have the team succeed

I'm sure you have SOME example of me doing this, right? Since I do it, and do it often.

Or some example of claiming to be right about something I was wrong about? After all, I've listed NUMEROUS examples of players I was wrong about (listed it numerous times, actually).

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

I also said that Gilbert sucked. It looks like I was wrong on that one, or at least I hope I am, since we just signed the guy. I know SOME of you would NEVER actually want that, to be wrong, and still have the team succeed, but I did say, at least three times here that Gilbert sucked. I thought he did suck. It does look like he's getting better. I suppose I'd have a more vested interest in defending my "he sucks" statement if I went on for ******* ever about how he sucks, and called everyone who disagreed with me stupid, but I didn't. And honestly, even if I had, I'd be right here, taking my ******* medicine, and not saying one ******* negative word.

When you yap yap yap on something you just MIGHT be wrong on, you want to be careful about how far out on that limb ya go, because sometimes it breaks.

Joe

I think the board would be a more "enjoyable" place if people took this attitude.

If you happen to have a unfavorable opinion on a Steeler player/coach/GM? Voice it and provide reason. But when youre wrong- admit it and be glad that it worked out.

Instead, there are somewho sit back gladly wanting the Steeler's to fail. And when theyre wrong? Never admit it, and just move on to another topic to b*tch about about.

 

[Superman]

I dont think anyone can be faulted for being excited about Archer.

He brings one element to the offense we have not had in awhile. Wallace wasn't even this fast.
We've seen speed work against our defense, so now we have speed on offense.

It will be VERY interesting to see how Archer is used during the season, as hopefully he is not sent up the middle each time he gets the ball.

 

[Idioteque]

I think the board would be a more "enjoyable" place if people took this attitude.

If you happen to have a unfavorable opinion on a Steeler player/coach/GM? Voice it and provide reason. But when youre wrong- admit it and be glad that it worked out.

Instead, there are somewho sit back gladly wanting the Steeler's to fail. And when theyre wrong? Never admit it, and just move on to another topic to b*tch about about.

Who does that? Names?

 

[t-man]

You told me they were solid second-round picks.



The only poster I've seen claim to be smarter than the FO was Del. I've said the opposite repeatedly, so many times I've lost count.

And as I've stated repeatedly.. you have never, ever, not one time, seen me call a poster stupid without first being provoked. Zero times.



I didn't want Bryant in the 3rd. Goddamn you're bad at this.



You stated very clearly that Sweed was our only recent poor second-round pick. (I think you mentioned Zo Jackson, too, which goes back wayyyyy before Colclough.) When I brought up Colclough, McFadden, Worilds, Adams, and Gilbert, you countered that they were all solid picks. And before you rant about how "Idiot thinks he outsmarted the FO that drafted those guys," note that I liked the McFadden and Adams picks at the time and had high hopes for both. I even defended the Zo pick, for the love of ****.

I said Sweed was our only recent 2nd round B U S T. Can you read, ************? If I indeed did say the rest were "solid" I meant to say "They went on to play for other teams, and see some success". I didn't mean "They are Hall of ******* famers". Go look up NFL BUST, and see if you can find Ricardo or Adams on that list.

And again, I was replying, in this thread, to the fact that we haven't drafted poorly in the first two rounds overall. That's a pretty solid statement, and I stand by it. I'm not sure if we've missed on Adams yet or not. I know Colcolough played here, then cleveland, then Carolina, then KC. Remind me again how many places Sweed played after here? Hell, even Zo Jackson had a little stint in Philly after he left here.

But remember, I'm the guy saying wait till the guy plays a few years till ya judge him. Here in this thread. And YOU are the guy saying "there will be 10 players we will wish we had taken instead of him" B E F O R E he ever took a snap.

Now you can pretend you really, aw shucks, weren't trying to imply you were all that smart about this whole drafting thing. But, if you could, perhaps, point to where I said we would be sorry if we didn't take Ricardo BEFORE that ************ ever played a down. Or Adams, I'd be ever so ******* grateful.

Joe

 

[Idioteque]

I dont think anyone can be faulted for being excited about Archer.

He brings one element to the offense we have not had in awhile. Wallace wasn't even this fast.
We've seen speed work against our defense, so now we have speed on offense.

It will be VERY interesting to see how Archer is used during the season, as hopefully he is not sent up the middle each time he gets the ball.

A fast, versatile player IS an exciting thing, which is why Archer's preseason has been exciting. But if he has an identical profile to the 10-20 collegians every year whose speed/versatility don't matter because they wash out of the league.. then it's 100% fair to question the player. (I think that if Archer had been drafted by the Browns or Raiders, this board would mock their scouting department and move on.) And I think I can confidently say that no player with Archer's combination of size, durability, fumbling, and lack of experience issues has ever been a successful player.

I've never stated, in this thread or elsewhere, that I have the clairvoyant ability to have visually seen a 2017 in which Archer is out of the NFL. What I've stated is that I wouldn't gamble an early pick on him being the FIRST player in history to overcome ALL of his red flags simultaneously and buck EVERY trend in NFL history. TMC put it very well: there may someday be a great NFL tackle who weighs 275# and had tons of injuries and two false starts per game in college. But I wouldn't be the one drafting him, hoping against hope that all of those red flags just go away.

 

[t-man]

By the way, 1 of your 10 is out, I'm curious to see in the next few weeks how many get cut and not picked up. I know you're not smarter than the front office and all, just so very ******* smart that you feel there are 10 people YOU could have selected who would be vastly better than Archer. Wanna take an over under as to how many are bagging groceries in the next month?

Joe

 

[SteelerAl]

And I think I can confidently say that no player with Archer's combination of size, durability, fumbling, and lack of experience issues has ever been a successful player.

And every time a LEGITIMATE comparison is brought forward, you reject it based on "one inch taller" or "played at a different college." Your argument is truly that no one with Dri Archer's social security number has ever succeeded in the NFL.

 

[Idioteque]

I said Sweed was our only recent 2nd round B U S T. Can you read, ************? If I indeed did say the rest were "solid" I meant to say "They went on to play for other teams, and see some success". I didn't mean "They are Hall of ******* famers". Go look up NFL BUST, and see if you can find Ricardo or Adams on that list.

Next time, I'll peer into your head to see what you REALLY meant.

Either You're setting weird goalposts here, or you don't know what you're talking about. Colclough washed out of the league with us and never recorded a tackle again; he played seven games on ST for the Chiefs and didn't make the Browns' roster. McFadden had an awful season with Arizona, then an awful one with us, then never played again. Adams and Gilbert have been benched for each other since being drafted. If they weren't busts, who is?

Or is your point that second-rounders CAN'T be busts, because they were just second-rounders?

And again, I was replying, in this thread, to the fact that we haven't drafted poorly in the first two rounds overall. That's a pretty solid statement, and I stand by it. I'm not sure if we've missed on Adams yet or not. I know Colcolough played here, then cleveland, then Carolina, then KC. Remind me again how many places Sweed played after here? Hell, even Zo Jackson had a little stint in Philly after he left here.

Wikipedia failed you here. Colclough never dressed for the Browns, and never recorded so much as a tackle for the Chiefs.

But remember, I'm the guy saying wait till the guy plays a few years till ya judge him. Here in this thread. And YOU are the guy saying "there will be 10 players we will wish we had taken instead of him" B E F O R E he ever took a snap.

Then we shouldn't even have a goddamned board. We should just record the pick and refuse to discuss it. But then how would you post your attention-whoring bullshit?

 

[t-man]

I'll type it here, I was wrong, Ricardo was a ******* train wreck in the nfl, he totally and completely sucked. We shall use that measuring stick for your list of 10, I'm comfortable with that. Ricardo was picked up by several teams from 2004-2009 across the nfl, so, any players who play for NFL teams for less time that that, on your list, are complete train wrecks. Fair enough. I think for this specific argument, I like your definition of bust a lot more than mine.

Joe