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Steelers surprised by no-huddle

I think at this point the new speed has not been accounted for in the scheme and it needs to be.We are getting too far too fast and getting out of position. Speed is great but patience and the ability to read the play correctly on the fly are needed. Until The new guys learn the finer points we will be susceptible to misdirection. I also think we need McCullers in there to give them some breathing room and to be a roadblock to help slow things down.

Which is what I saw on Sunday. The problem is that it isn't just the rookies doing this. Timmons, Troy and Worilds all should know better. Worilds looked horrible holding the point and only got a sack because of coverage and because he was being blocked by a TE. Timmons and Troy looked like the flying Wallendas. They've got to calm down and make better tackles.
 
not you Hollywood Bags and Franco, those two *** clowns who never have anything constructive to say just hate. Vader you are an evil *******(just like you name) but a sometimes reasonable one who can add to the conversation not just spew hate.

Well, gee... a team is down big at the start of the second half, and the Steelers are totally dumbfounded that they come out using the no huddle. Who should we blame for that? Myron Cope? Terry Hanratty?
 
The difference was in the past it was balanced by a few veterans like a slow Foote who could not over pursue if he wanted too and would be there for the cut back even if by mistake. Now you have 2 very fast ILB's who can get to the play quickly or out of the play just as quickly. One of them will have to learn to play under control. My bet is on it being Shazier as I think he will be a smarter player than Timmons. I like Timmons but think he is an instinctual not a cerebral player. We can't have both ILB's freelancing one has to understand the defense and keep control. Jarvis is playing with fire but he is trying too hard and need to learn when to let the play come too him and not to always try and prove everyone wrong on every play and get out of place. I think he might end up OK. We have to hold are gaps on the line and not get out of their responsibility. We might have too much athletic ability now on the line as crazy as that sounds they are trying too hard to make a play rather than just playing their responsibility and trusting the system.
 
Well, gee... a team is down big at the start of the second half, and the Steelers are totally dumbfounded that they come out using the no huddle. Who should we blame for that? Myron Cope? Terry Hanratty?
My point is for you and Franco try do something other than just hating. I think we know by now you hate Tomlin. Anyone not know this? Anyone? good we have that covered. Now try moving on to actual discussion that might contribute to the conversation and not just beat a dead and decaying horse. It gets really ******* old.
 
My gameplan would be this. No Martyball no matter how big the lead. Don't get comfortable. Run that score up, no run, run, pass punt crap.
 
The difference was in the past it was balanced by a few veterans like a slow Foote who could not over pursue if he wanted too and would be there for the cut back even if by mistake. Now you have 2 very fast ILB's who can get to the play quickly or out of the play just as quickly. One of them will have to learn to play under control. My bet is on it being Shazier as I think he will be a smarter player than Timmons. I like Timmons but think he is an instinctual not a cerebral player. We can't have both ILB's freelancing one has to understand the defense and keep control. Jarvis is playing with fire but he is trying too hard and need to learn when to let the play come too him and not to always try and prove everyone wrong on every play and get out of place. I think he might end up OK. We have to hold are gaps on the line and not get out of their responsibility. We might have too much athletic ability now on the line as crazy as that sounds they are trying too hard to make a play rather than just playing their responsibility and trusting the system.

It's really hard to tell right now. Since these guys haven't played much tackle football since last year. In today's NFL you can only have so many contact drills with pads. And now the starters only play a few series in the preseason. It's going to take time to work out. However, I'm very worried about the defense. They don't look right at all. Timmons should know this by now. Troy has obviously lost a step or two. Ike looks like ****. Worilds and Jones are getting pushed around. I can see Jones needing some time but Worilds is making 10 Million just for this year. Yea, he got a sack but that doesn't make up for him being pushed around like he was on roller skates for 2 qtrs. I just don't get this defense right now. Hopefully DL can work it out.
 
My point is for you and Franco try do something other than just hating. I think we know by now you hate Tomlin. Anyone not know this? Anyone? good we have that covered. Now try moving on to actual discussion that might contribute to the conversation and not just beat a dead and decaying horse. It gets really ******* old.

How about Tomlin actually do some good coaching instead of being a buffoon on the sideline?
 
Oh good Christ Hollywood dbag is back. He HATED this forum....ran to another badmouthing everyone here. Still has the screen name of a respected man no longer with us. Football season starts and this *** is back. No good football talk to be had with that one.
 
Oh good Christ Hollywood dbag is back. He HATED this forum....ran to another badmouthing everyone here. Still has the screen name of a respected man no longer with us. Football season starts and this *** is back. No good football talk to be had with that one.

I think you exaggerate too much. And you have 2 posts - aren't you the one who's technically "back"?
 
Been here since 2010. New board, re-registration, no explanation needed. No exaggeration, you fled here to another board and crucified this one and everyone on it. So what's changed that you're back...suddenly a better board with better (but yet the same) posters.....
 
Been here since 2010. New board, re-registration, no explanation needed. No exaggeration, you fled here to another board and crucified this one and everyone on it. So what's changed that you're back...suddenly a better board with better (but yet the same) posters.....

Because he is a sad little fuckhead who has nothing better to do than sit around and **** with people on the interwebs?

The Ignore function is your friend, regardless of what Dobre or Idio will tell you.
 
****, it isn't the no huddle. It was the fact that the Browns went to the pistol formation/read option/no huddle with Brian Hoyer. The Steelers probably figured that was a special Johnny Football package. That's what got them more than the no huddle per say.
 
Been here since 2010. New board, re-registration, no explanation needed. No exaggeration, you fled here to another board and crucified this one and everyone on it. So what's changed that you're back...suddenly a better board with better (but yet the same) posters.....

So, you are "back", then. That's what I said.
I didn't "flee" anywhere. I simply apologized for the classless behavior of *some* of this site's immature fans on another team's message board. As two respected franchises with no animosity between the fan bases, I didn't want them to get the impression that all Steeler fans were a all bunch of douchebags.
 
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It's really hard to tell right now. Since these guys haven't played much tackle football since last year. In today's NFL you can only have so many contact drills with pads. And now the starters only play a few series in the preseason. It's going to take time to work out. However, I'm very worried about the defense. They don't look right at all. Timmons should know this by now. Troy has obviously lost a step or two. Ike looks like ****. Worilds and Jones are getting pushed around. I can see Jones needing some time but Worilds is making 10 Million just for this year. Yea, he got a sack but that doesn't make up for him being pushed around like he was on roller skates for 2 qtrs. I just don't get this defense right now. Hopefully DL can work it out.

The Good:
- Everyone on the defense NOW knows what they are doing wrong with poor judgement and over-pursuit. (including the Vets like Timmons and Troy, who as you said should know better)
- Unlike some here, I didn't see our DL "getting pushed around" too much. The outside zone makes it look that way though. (Play or play-fake to left...everyone slides to left...OL keeps them moving in the direction they are already moving AS ACTUAL PLAY GOES BACK TO RIGHT)
- Cleveland has a very accomplished OL (at least on the left side) C Mack, LG Bitonio and LT Thomas might be the most dominant left side in football. Bitonio might be a rookie but he is a good one who plays with a tenacity that NONE of our OL have.
- Philly and NOW Cleveland has exposed our weakness when it comes to over-pursuit and up-tempo, if we fail to find a solution it shouldn't be related to understanding WHAT we are doing wrong.
- Baltimore has a lot softer OL who shouldn't be as tough to handle coming off the Cleveland game.

The Bad:
- The inability to schematically eliminate the "outside zone" has been a work in progress for too many years to describe it as 'personnel related'. We haven't been able to stop it going back to the old days when it first came about.
- We do not have the pressure NOR the run support from EITHER OLB spot which makes it more difficult to scheme effective remedies to play-action fakes.
- As has been pointed out, are younger players are not alone in failing to temper their aggression and play under control.
- Our DBs have been so relied upon for run-support that the play-action is ALSO drawing them off their coverage assignments.
- We have never been able to stop the "explosive plays" while playing a single high S with Troy in the box. He doesn't make nearly as many tackles up front nor does he cover well against anyone...so get him the hell outa there. He plays best when he is lined up BEHIND the ILBs historically.
- IF we don't ask Timmons and Shazier to penetrate, we run the risk of them not being able to get off their blocks which neither has been noted for. It may be either shoot the gaps and HOPE you are right or sit back and fill lanes and HOPE to get of the block that's coming.

All in all, it looks a bit to me like watching pee-wee football where the misdirection is the winning solution over these undisciplined youths. The flea-flicker works as do counters, reverses and double-reverse plays. We are following the flow (which is the "trap") instead of following the ball. Maybe we can put a 'chip' in the ball and use COD technology to give them a cross-hair pointer showing where it is all the time?
 
I posted this in another thread. Tomlin said the D was in position most of the time but was looking to the sidelines when the Browns snapped the ball. They weren't ready for the play to start. He said it was "communication issues". Not sure who you blame that on. I believe Timmons is calling the plays on the field this year. Hopefully, the "communication issues" are easily rectified.

What the ... ?? Is the communication so complex that the defense cannot get set before the snap? Jesus, how about we let this guy convey the signs:

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We have problems defending an up-tempo, no-huddle offense that uses zone blocking schemes?

the 2nd half showed a soft defense that wilted when the going got tough - no scheme for missed arm tackles.
 
How about Tomlin actually do some good coaching instead of being a buffoon on the sideline?

I dont know we hold out hope you will come around and discuss actual football........maybe im stupid to assume you have any ounce of football aptitude, because sure havent displayed any. Not one speck of flyshits worth.
 
How about Tomlin actually do some good coaching instead of being a buffoon on the sideline?

How about you make some rational comments and constructive thoughts rather than being a buffoon on a message board? Have you ever posted a positive thought in the football forum?
 
How about you quit being a stupid **** and licking all of Tomlin's fat ***.
 
I dont know we hold out hope you will come around and discuss actual football........maybe im stupid to assume you have any ounce of football aptitude, because sure havent displayed any. Not one speck of flyshits worth.

Coming from a complete moron like you this means nothing, go wave your pom poms *****. Being surprised a team is down by 24 and decides to run a no huddle sums up Tomlin's stupidity in a nutshell. Going for 2 from the 12 yard line, unleashing hell in December, losing to Tebow in the playoffs by letting him pass for over 300 yards, etc etc etc etc etc etc
 
Hey *******, we won last week. It's week ******* one. I expect this defense to play better as the year goes on, and so should you. It's not like we were the Ravens last week. ****, what did they do besides expose their D's inability to stop a team from scoring, and expose their QB to ineptitude. It could be worse, we could be Ray-Ban fans.

Keep Calm

and

Shoot a Raven
 
How about you quit being a stupid **** and licking all of Tomlin's fat ***.
I am more than willing to have rational discussions about Tomlin's strengths and weaknesses, I am not a blind supporter of everything he does or does not do. I do not think he is anywhere near as bad you feel he is but he is certainly not perfect. Regardless you never actually support any your drivel you just hate without reason. The only thing you add to this board is comic relief with incessant predictable anti Tomlin rage. Perhaps you just need your diaper changed.
 
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