I would say they are very equal teams. I would say the KC oline and their coaching staff catching a rule breaker in the Philly Defense using motion to bind them won the game. That call ruined the end of the game.
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Juju was pretty good pre Matt Canada.
True......but I bet the fans of the other team thought it was a "ticky-tack" call.
It astounds me that the NFL has such a hard time establishing what a catch is and what a catch is not...hell, 12 year old kids playing backyard ball know what a catch is for crying out loud. So let me ask you this, if you go out back and play catch with your son, you throw him the ball, when does he catch the the ball? It's pretty obvious when he has possession of the ball. Not a single person would argue with when your son caught the ball...feet down, 3 steps, football move...it is all irrelevant. The ONLY reason there is such ridiculous discussions and rules over what is a catch is to get what the NFL wants, higher scoring and more "exciting" games. The NFL puts the officials in a tough spot, when it is the NFL rules for what is a catch that should be done away with.
To me what is decided after a video review by pro refs and a reviewer is what it is. Maybe debatable but is what it is.
Here is the whole problem with catch no catch. Do you want fumbles called that probably aren't one or catches called incomplete that probably are catches. Pick one.
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the football season ended many weeks ago.....what are you all going on about?
Practicing for next year........
Im not saying it was a bad call. I am just saying that different fans have different perspectives. If KC lost, they would go back to the non-call.
They are not mutually exclusive. A catch occurs when you have possession of the football. Anything that happens after that is a fumble. I would bet, that if you took the NFL rules out of it, showed 100 people 10 videos of someone catching a football, that 99 out of the 100 could tell you the moment that a person catches the ball. It is not hard to know when a person catches a ball.
Lol
I was on Reddit last night and there was a Seahawks fan site posting about all the whining Eagles fans after the game. I delicately posted that it reminded me of the Steelers-Seahawks SB and how the Seahawk fans still whine 20 years after.
I was informed this morning that I am no longer welcome to post on their forum.
99 percent of catches are easy to call. It's the one to 5 percent that are tricky. And fumble no catch created markers of what is considered a catch that create ripples for non catch fumble situations. Refs have markers. He had possession he turned he took steps. What did it look like in real time. In my opinion that play should never have even got to replay. It was clearly not a catch by definition of everything I've watched for years..literally in real time it was a heartbeat after the ball arrived.
Agreed the truth definitely is not in the invested fan opinion.
He caught the ball and turned up field...catch and a fumble. Take out the stupid NFL rules of taking steps, or football moves...etc. He caught the ball and dropped it when he was hit. That should be a catch and a fumble all day long. If you quit trying to use asinine rules to establish what is a catch and fumble and break it down to a simple rule that if you lose possession after catching the ball it is a fumble.
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You see that hold all the time. Some are saying JuJu wasn't able to catch the ball. That is irrelevant. Half the time when this type of penalty is called it on the other side the field and the players aren't even involved in the play. Don't grab the jersey and you are good. The ref sees jersey stretching he/she will throw the flag.
Definitely the Philly D comment. All week long all I heard about was that vaunted D. They showed me nothing. No sacks....hardly any pressure. D line invisible. This is with Mahomes playing injured. KC’s OLine won the game.
I was watching Eagles and KC’s centers the whole game. Kelce and Creed controlled everything. We have to draft that 10 year stud center. Broken record here.....but it just pisses me off that it could and should have been already done.
On the Eagles football forum it was quite interesting. The long time posters talking about how their defense was overrated all season,and what a fraud their DC has been. Some were actually glad he had been finally exposed on national TV. They are all calling his game plan out. The love and hype of drafting Jordan Davis is definitely gone. With many on there saying what a 6’4” safety like Kyle Hamilton would have done for their D. Interesting stuff.
But here in lies the problem. do you seriously believe that a jersey was not pulled earlier in the game? For real. He had to say to himself at that point unless he jumps on his back or is being pulled behind the receiver for two yards, I'm keeping the flag in my pocket. Why, cause we have all game. Let them play.
Then you have to live with the realities of the fumbles that will cause. Then define your rules of what is a catch for me please. he grasps the ball in his hands however briefly? He stops the rotation of the ball and exhibits some form of control. Lets hear your definition of what a catch is beyond he caught that.
However you define this there will be reaction in real time in the 16 games played per week and especially on the biggest stages of playoffs and Super Bowl.
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Maybe that ref hadn't seen it all game and when they did see it they just did their job.
Just read that JuJu got an extra one million last night. His contract said if he played 50% of snaps in SB and winning,bonus one million. Probably lots of players have these types of bonuses.
Great, bring on more fumbles. I would rather see more fumbles called and less video replays, challenges, and ridiculously ambiguous attempts to define what a catch is. Possession of the football is a catch, period. Whether you catch it one handed and tuck it into your body, or two hands and possess the football. Again, telling when someone catches a football is not rocket science. 99% of people watching a game knows when the ball was caught...the ambiguousness of it comes into defining when it is a fumble. So the rule should be simple, any loss of possession after the catch is a fumble. If you jump into the air, catch the football, get hit before landing and lose the ball, it is a catch and a fumble.
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What you are not seeing is that no matter how you define it there will be disagreement if What is a catch. The only thing that matters is the consistency of how it is called. The catch we are speaking of is absolutely consistent with everything we have seen as no catch for years.
you guys give me a headache
Yes. Consistency is the key… all game there was tons of handwork in both secondaries… you can’t argue that it wasn’t a play that technically wasn’t a penalty, but you can definitely say that the optics of it being called at that time after the way it was really not called much all year was really bad.
Its kind of like offensive pass interference in the 05 Super Bowl… they were doing that alot then finally got called to take away a td…
Call it in the less important times and it doesn’t stick out like a sore thumb when you call it at a super critical moment