Target Down 5 Billion Since Embracing Trans Bathroom Policy

[Booted]

I identify as a German Shepard. I piss on trees and fire hydrants.

 

[Superman]

No, it mandated that all people use public restrooms in accordance with their biological gender at birth.

My bad.
You're correct on that.

I still don't agree that unfettered access should be allowed to public restrooms and that they're designated men/women for a reason - and that reason is not to shame anyone, but to allow privacy when relieving oneself or whatever you do in a restroom. The law is dangerous in that if it is not enforced then anyone can "identify" as a transgender and enter any restroom they choose.

 

[Troglodyte]

no

it allowed transgenders, or anyone, to use the restroom for which they "identify" as.
mens/womens was not specified.

Dude.

 

[Troglodyte]

Before, predators were not allowed in the restroom with little girls.

Think through that. "Not allowed" by what? An armed guard?

They were "not allowed" by a cultural norm that a symbol of a woman on a door means it's for women. A cultural norm that still exists.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

This is a complete made up issue, because anyone wanting complete privacy in a public restroom can use a stall.
Is anyone worried about someone watching them wash their hands.

Kids exposure to nudity is much greater on the internet than any public restroom.

Some of you need to research the world of porn and the rampantly increasing volume of voyeur videos.

I posted an article about the gentleman in Potomac Mills, who dressed as a woman and sat in a stall (ooh, the stalls are private, many of you have said!) and for 3 hours filmed women over the top of the stall and under the stall going to the bathroom. How did he get in? He pretended to be a woman and dressed as one.

In fact, I posted numerous articles of men doing this very thing.

Surreptitious videos of women going to the bathroom in college restrooms, or men pretending to be women and and getting into dressing rooms and filming women trying on clothes from the neighboring stall are massively on the rise.

And many of you continue to argue that people can use a stall for privacy. You're blind. Or that these incidents aren't occurring. You aren't looking.

Go delve into the world of voyeur porn. Research it. Then come back and tell me that allowing men to walk into the restroom or dressing room of their choice doesn't increase these incidents occurring.

I've posted the links and the articles. It is happening. But some of you just don't want to look out the window and see the snow falling right in front of your nose because you have a belief, and damnit, it must be right.

 

[oneforthebus]

Some of you need to research the world of porn and the rampantly increasing volume of voyeur videos.

I posted an article about the gentleman in Potomac Mills, who dressed as a woman and sat in a stall (ooh, the stalls are private, many of you have said!) and for 3 hours filmed women over the top of the stall and under the stall going to the bathroom. How did he get in? He pretended to be a woman and dressed as one.

In fact, I posted numerous articles of men doing this very thing.

Surreptitious videos of women going to the bathroom in college restrooms, or men pretending to be women and and getting into dressing rooms and filming women trying on clothes from the neighboring stall are massively on the rise.

And many of you continue to argue that people can use a stall for privacy. You're blind. Or that these incidents aren't occurring. You aren't looking.

Go delve into the world of voyeur porn. Research it. Then come back and tell me that allowing men to walk into the restroom or dressing room of their choice doesn't increase these incidents occurring.

I've posted the links and the articles. It is happening. But some of you just don't want to look out the window and see the snow falling right in front of your nose because you have a belief, and damnit, it must be right.

Tim, the point is this law will not change that. All it will prevent is law abiding people from using the restroom they wish. People who are willing to break the law by peeping or videotaping people are willing to break the law by disguising themselves as a woman. If they can pass as a woman what is going to happen? Who's going to police them, and how? If they can't pass as a woman, they are going to attract a lot of attention to themselves, which is not going to be conducive to secretly watching people or videotaping people. If they were willing to obey laws they wouldn't be peeping at or videotaping people in the first place.

All this does is put transgender people who don't want to break laws in an awkward, humiliating position, which I believe is the real goal here. I realize some of you have no compassion for them and don't care how they feel, but please don't try to couch it in some exaggerated concern for the safety of everyone else. You want them singled out and made to feel uncomfortable for what they are doing. That's what this is really about.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

i don't know how people are naive enough to not see the increased risk to women. Sure, prior to this, a man could have snuck into a women's room but he had to stay hidden. Prior to this, if a woman saw what she thought was a man, she would either leave the bathroom to get security or at the very least, her guard would be up.

Now you have told that woman that her guard should not be up. There is a 250 lb man in the shower area of her gym and she is being told to repress her instinctive flight response. And if somebody saw that guy go in the bathroom, they are not going to say anything.

My problem is not with a trans person using a bathroom. I'm sure that has gone on for years under an unofficial don't ask don't tell type situation. My problem is that for no reason other than political correctness, they have now written scenarios into LAW that make women far less safe.

 

[IndySteel]

Megan Kelly also interviewed some freak with a dick who looks like a woman. I don't want that thing anywhere near my daughters. Or me. Purple port-o-lets for those *******.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Tim, the point is this law will not change that. All it will prevent is law abiding people from using the restroom they wish. People who are willing to break the law by peeping or videotaping people are willing to break the law by disguising themselves as a woman. If they can pass as a woman what is going to happen? Who's going to police them, and how? If they can't pass as a woman, they are going to attract a lot of attention to themselves, which is not going to be conducive to secretly watching people or videotaping people. If they were willing to obey laws they wouldn't be peeping at or videotaping people in the first place.

All this does is put transgender people who don't want to break laws in an awkward, humiliating position, which I believe is the real goal here. I realize some of you have no compassion for them and don't care how they feel, but please don't try to couch it in some exaggerated concern for the safety of everyone else. You want them singled out and made to feel uncomfortable for what they are doing. That's what this is really about.

No the point is the law will INCREASE the incidences.

It's that simple.

 

[swal75]

Trans people skeeve me out but I can't believe this is an issue. I have daughters, and I understand that people are freaked out by weirdos and perverts. Places should be building more "family" style restrooms where an adult can go in and check out the room to see if it's clear and safe and then they can let their kids use the restroom and stand guard at the door.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

One thing going on here is that otherwise tolerant people are just sick of the being forced by the government to act as though abnormal **** is normal. There is an intuition that crossing that line creates problems. That intuition is well founded in my opinion.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Trans people skeeve me out but I can't believe this is an issue. I have daughters, and I understand that people are freaked out by weirdos and perverts. Places should be building more "family" style restrooms where an adult can go in and check out the room to see if it's clear and safe and then they can let their kids use the restroom and stand guard at the door.

Why the need for a family bathroom? The gov just told you it was safe.

by these laws, boys are now allowed to walk in on your daughters in their school bathrooms and locker rooms.

 

[MT~Forged]

The point of all this so called legislation is just to distract the populace from the REAL PROBLEMS they do not want you to notice.

 

[MT~Forged]

Why the need for a family bathroom? The gov just told you it was safe.

by these laws, boys are now allowed to walk in on your daughters in their school bathrooms and locker rooms.

Hell, as teen aged boys we all though about trying that, most of those brave enough got quite a show, while getting their ***** kicked by the collective group of pissed of girls.

 

[Troglodyte]

One thing going on here is that otherwise tolerant people are just sick of the being forced by the government to act as though abnormal **** is normal.

So you want a government that determines what is socially normal and then enforces that with strict laws? I bet you would have a real problem living among so many Muslims.

Again, this whole thing started with NC deciding to enforce an unenforceable law.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

So you want a government that determines what is socially normal and then enforces that with strict laws? I bet you would have a real problem living among so many Muslims.

Again, this whole thing started with NC deciding to enforce an unenforceable law.

You really come off as incredibly stupid sometimes.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

I worked with Special needs kids. Some kids needed help going to the bathroom. As a female para, I was NOT allowed into the boys' room to check on the kids or help them. I had to find a male staff member and get him to go check on the kids. So now...would this mean that I WOULD be allowed in the men's room to help the kids out? And how do you explain to a Sped kid who has been told that NO BOYS in the GIRLS ROOM and NO GIRLS IN THE BOYS ROOM suddenly doesn't apply anymore? I know of a few kids who would have total meltdowns if they saw a boy go into the girl's room.

 

[Troglodyte]

You really come off as incredibly stupid sometimes.

You not be able to argue your point doesn't have anything to do with me.

 

[Rod Farva]

Absolutely. We should not bar law abiding people from owning guns simply because a small percentage of miscreants will take advantage of it in order to harm people.

That portion was not directed at you, Bus. I did not expect a different response from you. You are far more rational and well thought out (usually) than the libs posting in this.



Yet any man who wants to show his dick to any little boy does not have, and has never had, those same barriers. Why don't we have men rampantly showing their dicks to little boys? I meant showing them to girls.Or gay men rampantly showing their dicks to other men? Because the vast, vast majority of people do not do that sort of thing. People who show their dicks inappropriately can and should be prosecuted, whether they are in a men's room, walking down the street, straight gay transgendered or anything else. Purposely engaging in lewd and lascivious behavior in public is already illegal, as it should be. We have redefined what lewd and lascivious behavior is here......so yeah, it's been legitimized and made easier to get away with.Which has to lead to the conclusion that fear of people showing their dicks is not the real issue here.
Are you telling me I have some other agenda than concern about the potential for perverse behavior in public? Please fill me in on my real agenda?

I can't say I really disagree with you...I'm not sure transgender isn't a mental illness, a hormonal imbalance, a fetish or a choice. No one however is asking to be "accommodated". You don't have to stand there and watch them go to the bathroom nor allow them to watch you. If someone is living life passing as a woman for whatever reason, they shouldn't have to announce their choice to be doing what they're doing by walking into a men's bathroom dressed completely as a woman. The government should not interfere with where I choose to go to the bathroom as long as I'm not bothering anyone else.

This entire scenario is about accommodation. Are you kidding? I agree the government shouldn't interfere with where you choose to squat. "AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT BOTHERING ANYONE ELSE." So, since it is pretty apparent this bothers the vast majority, do you want to rephrase that ?

Apparently you believe sexual predators are all men who are just looking for the legal ability to dress up as women and sneak into women's bathrooms. Despite all statistical and logical evidence to the contrary.

No. It is now legal for any man to enter any bathroom, shower, changing room, etc. that formerly they could not. They don't need to dress up. The don't need to mince. Or lisp. Just go on in. If challenged, the word's "I'm a woman" and you are free to go.

No sweetie, in fact I've said repeatedly that no one can say it would never happen, but the facts are that sex assaults by strangers are extremely rare. 93% of child sex abuse victims know their attacker. If you think the rest will now find their victims by sneaking into bathrooms dressed as women that's simply not very logical.

See above.

Think through that. "Not allowed" by what? An armed guard?

They were "not allowed" by a cultural norm that a symbol of a woman on a door means it's for women. A cultural norm that still exists.

Not allowed by a sensible and watchful public which has just been told by imperial decree that they're bigots and must stand down.

Tim, the point is this law will not change that. All it will prevent is law abiding people from using the restroom they wish. People who are willing to break the law by peeping or videotaping people are willing to break the law by disguising themselves as a woman. If they can pass as a woman what is going to happen? Who's going to police them, and how? If they can't pass as a woman, they are going to attract a lot of attention to themselves, which is not going to be conducive to secretly watching people or videotaping people. If they were willing to obey laws they wouldn't be peeping at or videotaping people in the first place.

Again we seem to be missing the point. This "law"....and I believe it's another presidential order, not a law, to the best of my knowledge does NOT address clothing or any characteristic other than "I say I am so I am."

All this does is put transgender people who don't want to break laws in an awkward, humiliating position, which I believe is the real goal here. I realize some of you have no compassion for them and don't care how they feel, but please don't try to couch it in some exaggerated concern for the safety of everyone else. You want them singled out and made to feel uncomfortable for what they are doing. That's what this is really about.

So their mental disorder is now somehow more important than the very real concerns of those who simply wish to leave things as they have been. If they feel humiliation or awkward we must feel likewise? Share the shame? C'mon?

i don't know how people are naive enough to not see the increased risk to women. Sure, prior to this, a man could have snuck into a women's room but he had to stay hidden. Prior to this, if a woman saw what she thought was a man, she would either leave the bathroom to get security or at the very least, her guard would be up.

Now you have told that woman that her guard should not be up. There is a 250 lb man in the shower area of her gym and she is being told to repress her instinctive flight response. And if somebody saw that guy go in the bathroom, they are not going to say anything.

My problem is not with a trans person using a bathroom. I'm sure that has gone on for years under an unofficial don't ask don't tell type situation. My problem is that for no reason other than political correctness, they have now written scenarios into LAW that make women far less safe.

Again is this law? Or just a whimsical little PO?

So you want a government that determines what is socially normal and then enforces that with strict laws? I bet you would have a real problem living among so many Muslims.

Again, this whole thing started with NC deciding to enforce an unenforceable law.

No. Government should not thrust one man's idea of normality on the rest of us, especially when it flies so obviously in the face of what IS obviously normal. And that's exactly what's happened here.

I worked with Special needs kids. Some kids needed help going to the bathroom. As a female para, I was NOT allowed into the boys' room to check on the kids or help them. I had to find a male staff member and get him to go check on the kids. So now...would this mean that I WOULD be allowed in the men's room to help the kids out? And how do you explain to a Sped kid who has been told that NO BOYS in the GIRLS ROOM and NO GIRLS IN THE BOYS ROOM suddenly doesn't apply anymore? I know of a few kids who would have total meltdowns if they saw a boy go into the girl's room.

**** 'em. That's not me saying that. That's Obama.

 

[oneforthebus]

No. It is now legal for any man to enter any bathroom, shower, changing room, etc. that formerly they could not. They don't need to dress up. The don't need to mince. Or lisp. Just go on in. If challenged, the word's "I'm a woman" and you are free to go.

Men could do that now! There are no security guards posted at most women's bathrooms. They don't do it because it's socially unacceptable and because what's the point? Do you guys have some fantasy about what goes on in women's bathrooms? We don't shower together. My daughters are 16 and have never even showered at school at all. While we might discreetly change our pants or shirt in front of each other, most of us don't strip naked in front of each other. There are generally curtains and stalls for people who don't want to do even that. You guys keep veering back and forth between "weirdos will use this to dress as women and peep at women", something they can do regardless, and "men can now walk right into a women's bathroom dressed any way they want", something that would seem rather pointless as all that would do is freak all the women out and cause them to cover up or get the hell out of there. Social norms prevent this behavior from occurring except in very rare cases. The idea that women will be helpless victims who will now be forced to strip down, lather up or change their tampons right in front of men is just silly. I don't do any of those things in front of women, I'm certainly never going to feel obligated to do them in front of men.

So their mental disorder is now somehow more important than the very real concerns of those who simply wish to leave things as they have been. If they feel humiliation or awkward we must feel likewise? Share the shame? C'mon?

We won't feel humiliated or awkward because most of us won't even know they are there. Just like we don't know they are there now.

 

[Superman]

so, voyeur porn is not what it is.
Damn you, Tim, for lying.

the fact is, unless the law is enforced, the number of sex crimes could very well increase. NOT because of trannies. But because of those who take advantage of the ability to, as you say, enter a women's restroom right now. Yes, it can be done right now - we all agree on that. As Lyn says, right now in some minds, boys dont enter girls restrooms. men dont enter womens restrooms. to the sexual predator, this may also be the case in their minds. But, make a communal restroom and ... well ... it's highly logical that the number of crimes could increase, as predators know that they can enter their "own sex" restroom without raising an eyebrow.

 

[Troglodyte]

No. Government should not thrust one man's idea of normality on the rest of us, especially when it flies so obviously in the face of what IS obviously normal. And that's exactly what's happened here.

The State of North Carolina made it a law that you must use the restroom that matches your birth gender and you take that as the government thrusting one man's abnormal belief upon the rest of us. How so?

 

[Steelin]

But you're ok with him going to the restroom with your sons?

Well, no, since you put it that way. People saying that the stalls are private have a point. That's not what bothers me though. It's the fact that you are in a closed area with someone who shouldn't be there. I'm totally uncomfortable if that someone is obviously a man.

 

[IndySteel]

 

[Steelin]

Another thing, I'm also more concerned about locker rooms. These often don't have stalls and are very open.