The Coronavirus thread

[Troglodyte]

Again, you prove math is hard; being a moron is hard; math for morons is nigh impossible.

10,000 out of 51 MILLION is not worse than 60,000 out of 320 million. Get it?

Again, he was referring to SWEDEN. Population 10.4m. It’s an entirely different country from South Korea. Get it?

 

[Troglodyte]

FYI, the population density of Stockholm is 18,000 per sq. mile. The population density of New York is 24,000 per sq. mile. So about a 25% increase of New York over Stockholm. Not the staggering numbers you are trying to peddle, as the density is far more important than the total population.

The highest rates are in the NYC suburbs, not NYC itself. The 3.1 million that cram into trains and subways and sit or stand within a couple feet of each other.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

If we ever discover that China either intentionally released this or more likely intentionally covered it up causing the deaths of probably 60 to 70 thousand in the US alone by not letting us prepare, then at least from an abstract point of view, the comparison is somewhat justified. How much money and lives did we spend for 2 decades following 9/11 in wars? It isn't apples to apples but it isn't entirely an unfair comparison either.

It is one of the greatest stretch comparisons I've ever seen. Sorry but to say even in the abstract there is a remote comparison is a further stretch. I could likewise say Democrats have declared war on the indefensible. Children. How much money has been spent funding murder? Funding opposition to abortion? The number of deaths that have ensued from abortion clinic bombings. The number of illegal abortions committed by the likes of Kermit Gosnell and countless others. In the abstract, this is sort of the same....but...not at all.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Anyone that tries to equate Covid-19 to 9/11 had better not even think about opening their mouth when other people compare Covid-19 to any other virus, disease, or any other morbidity.

 

[Troglodyte]

You are now comparing this to 9/11???

When we faced the threat from Al Quaeda, did we put 22Million and rising out of work? Did we shut down the entire country for months on end with no end in sight?? Did we intentionally ruin our economy and implement near or actual martial law for months on end???

For you to compare these two....OMG. Just...OMFG.

SIL already made the comparison long ago responding to YOU in this very thread. Suddenly, you get all dramatic about it? LOL! Let’s see if 20 years later the economic shutdown has killed several thousand more, wounded tens of thousands and the 22 million are still unemployed.

 

[wig]

If it’s infinitesimal, what were the 3,000 that died on 9/11?

huh... wazzup. Did somebody call me?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

The highest rates are in the NYC suburbs, not NYC itself. The 3.1 million that cram into trains and subways and sit or stand within a couple feet of each other.

You wanna walk that back?? New York City is always referred to as having a population of 8+million people.

But those numbers come from considering all of the "boroughs" that aggregated create what we refer to as New York City: Manhattan, the Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, and Staten Island.

Per the JHU Covid tracker, these are the deaths to date per locale, ranked by the hardest hit counties in the state:

#1 - Queens County (Queens): 3,002 Deaths
#2 - Kings County (Brooklyn): 2,929 Deaths
#3 - Bronx (The Bronx): 2,207 Deaths
#6 - New York (New York): 1,316 Deaths
#16 - Richmond (Staten Island): 485 Deaths

New York City Total: 9,939 Deaths

New York State has 20,792 Deaths

48% of the states deaths come from New York City. Not the suburbs like Westchester County, Rockland, Nassau County, Suffolk. Further, countless commute from CT (Fairfield primarily and New Jersey (320,000 daily).

Further, 1.6 million are estimated to commute into the city daily, not the arbitrary 3.1 Million you use: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/nyregion/crowdsourcing-the-commute.html?auth=login-facebook

320,000 of those come from New Jersey.

Likely you've never been to Manhattan. You're speaking about that which you know little about. Stick to what you know. Limited list of topics, I realize.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

My comparison with 9/11 is in deference to the potentially malicious actions of China not a direct comparison to this disease as a purely natural phenomenon. I think it does hold value in that sense only if it is proven true that China acted maliciously or highly negligently, at that point it almost becomes an act of war or terror giving it some weight of comparison.

 

[Superman]

The highest rates are in the NYC suburbs, not NYC itself. The 3.1 million that cram into trains and subways and sit or stand within a couple feet of each other.

so ... what you're saying is that isolation and quarantine doesn't work.

allow yourself to re-read what you posted:

The highest rates are in the NYC suburbs, not NYC itself. The 3.1 million that cram into trains and subways and sit or stand within a couple feet of each other.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

SIL already made the comparison long ago responding to YOU in this very thread. Suddenly, you get all dramatic about it? LOL!

SIL is rational. You are not. But by all means feel free to copy and quote his comments and show us how his were the same as yours. I'll wait.

Let’s see if 20 years later the economic shutdown has killed several thousand more, wounded tens of thousands and the 22 million are still unemployed.

It will kill. I've posted all the hard data about this anyone needs to read and its not arguable this shut down is going to result in the death of likely six figures plus.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

My comparison with 9/11 is in deference to the potentially malicious actions of China not a direct comparison to this disease as a purely natural phenomenon. I think it does hold value in that sense only if it is proven true that China acted maliciously or highly negligently, at that point it almost becomes an act of war or terror giving it some weight of comparison.

Then you are saying that China may have declared war against the entire globe?

 

[wig]

One has to decide if A) China REALLY has a mortality rate of 3 people per million as they've reported to worldometer.

Then, one of 2 things is true.

1) China has a vaccine and they have kept it to themselves.

2) China is full of **** and continues to lie to the world about every single facet of the Kung Flu.

Choose.

 

[Steeltime]

One has to decide if A) China REALLY has a mortality rate of 3 people per million as they've reported to worldometer.

Then, one of 2 things is true.

1) China has a vaccine and they have kept it to themselves.

2) China is full of **** and continues to lie to the world about every single facet of the Kung Flu.

Choose.

This ^^^

I have yet to hear a rational explanation for how Beijing and Shanghai, two of the most densely populated cities outside of India, suffered essentially zero deaths while New York City has had more than 10,000 deaths.

To anybody who squeals, "Quarantine!", I respond, "no ******* quarantine for 11 million Wuhan residents for a disease that began in November, 2019 until January, 2020, so are you ******* saying that zero infected traveled from Wuhan to Beijing or Shanghai over a span of more than two months but apparently thousands traveled to ******* Seattle and NYC??"

If you claim quarantine stopped the virus in China, you are making **** up. Tens of thousands, hell hundreds of thousands, traveled from Wuhan to the rest of ******* China in November, December and the first part of January. What, the disease simply disappeared for those citizens? How? Why basically zero deaths in two of the heaviest populated cities in the world, in the same ******* country as where the disease took off in late 2019?

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Then you are saying that China may have declared war against the entire globe?

Yeah at least in a fashion and I think economically we should treat them that way. As should the world in general. They ****** us all over and they should pay one way or the other at least in economically. We should end most manufacturing with them and really put the screws to them until they start to change their behavior.

 

[Troglodyte]

You wanna walk that back?? New York City is always referred to as having a population of 8+million people.

But those numbers come from considering all of the "boroughs" that aggregated create what we refer to as New York City: Manhattan, the Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, and Staten Island.

Per the JHU Covid tracker, these are the deaths to date per locale, ranked by the hardest hit counties in the state:

#1 - Queens County (Queens): 3,002 Deaths
#2 - Kings County (Brooklyn): 2,929 Deaths
#3 - Bronx (The Bronx): 2,207 Deaths
#6 - New York (New York): 1,316 Deaths
#16 - Richmond (Staten Island): 485 Deaths

New York City Total: 9,939 Deaths

New York State has 20,792 Deaths

48% of the states deaths come from New York City. Not the suburbs like Westchester County, Rockland, Nassau County, Suffolk. Further, countless commute from CT (Fairfield primarily and New Jersey (320,000 daily).

Further, 1.6 million are estimated to commute into the city daily, not the arbitrary 3.1 Million you use: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/nyregion/crowdsourcing-the-commute.html?auth=login-facebook

320,000 of those come from New Jersey.

Likely you've never been to Manhattan. You're speaking about that which you know little about. Stick to what you know. Limited list of topics, I realize.

Nice “gotcha” try. Regardless if it 1.6 or 3.1, it’s still the entire population of Stockholm using the NYC mass transit system on a daily basis. You can’t extrapolate based on Sweden’s morbidity. Furthermore, to suggest that we could have had 300,000+ deaths due to a pandemic and society wouldn’t have shut itself down is off-the-charts naive.

I’ve been to Manhattan several times. I don’t know where you’ve been, but your view of the world emanates from small town West Virginia, that’s for sure.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Furthermore, to suggest that we could have had 300,000+ deaths due to a pandemic and society wouldn’t have shut itself down is off-the-charts naive.

Yet a million people die every year from Heart Disease and Cancer and NOBODY bats an eye...perspective.

 

[Steeltime]

Again, he was referring to SWEDEN. Population 10.4m. It’s an entirely different country from South Korea. Get it?

What the **** are you talking about, 10,000 deaths in Sweden? You are making **** up. My mistake was believing that you were dealing in facts, not make-believe.

Sweden is on the downside of the damage, like the rest of Europe and the United States. Sweden thus far has sustained 2,021 deaths from the disease.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Sweden is not - REPEAT, NOT - projected to have 10,000 deaths, or five times the current level. Instead, at the current level, Sweden is projected to sustain PERHAPS 2,400 deaths, based on a mortality rate of 4% for the remaining infected.

2,400/10.1 million = 1 fatality per 4,208 citizens.

Lockdown States of America projected 60,000 cases out of 320 million population.

60,000/320 million = 1 fatality per 5,333 residents.

So your fake numbers make a case; the real numbers show the lockdown was a shakedown.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I’ve been to Manhattan several times.

Then clearly you are a dumbass not knowing that New York City is 5 boroughs, trying to lay claim that the majority of the deaths are in the suburbs, not understanding the "suburbs" you refer to are in fact New York City.

I think you meant to say "Manhattan" but too stupid to understand the difference.

 

[Superman]

Flog is saying quarantining doesnt work. he just doesn't know it.

 

[Troglodyte]

so ... what you're saying is that isolation and quarantine doesn't work.

allow yourself to re-read what you posted:

How is mass transit usage quarantining and self isolation?

 

[Steeler Pride]

Sweden is on the downside of the damage, like the rest of Europe and the United States. Sweden thus far has sustained 2,021 deaths from the disease.

Not saying it will hold up, but...
https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden

 

[Steeltime]

Furthermore, to suggest that we could have had 300,000+ deaths due to a pandemic and society wouldn’t have shut itself down is off-the-charts naive.

Why are you simply ignoring the data? The data thus far show that the lockdown lowers the mortality totals, but nowhere near the levels predicted. Not close. Sweden and South Korea - no total lockdown, quarantine for the infected and susceptible. United States, UK, Spain, Italy, Belgium, etc. - LOCKDOWN, baby, LOCK. DOWN.

So do the data support the lockdown crowd? NO, THE DATA DOES NOT. Let's compare number of deaths for 1,000,000 citizens among the nations listed. For the love of God, if the lack of a complete lockdown made the problem appreciably worse, as you argue, then Sweden and South Korea should be getting ravaged ... but they're not. They are doing appreciably better than most lockdown countries:

Sweden: 200 deaths per 1 million population
South Korea: 5 - FIVE - deaths per 1 million population
United States: 149 deaths per 1 million population
United Kingdom: 276 deaths per 1 million population
Italy: 423 deaths per 1 million population
Spain: 474 deaths per 1 million population
Belgium: 560 deaths per 1 million population

Can you cite a single piece of evidence showing that the death rate is significantly lower due to lockdowns?? I cannot find such data.

But one thing we know for sure, as an absolute fact: The total lockdown is destroying the economy, putting millions out of work and killing thousands, tens of thousands, and bankrupting us.

 

[Steeltime]

I’ve been to Manhattan several times.

How did you like "Cats" the fourth time you saw it?

 

[Troglodyte]

Then clearly you are a dumbass not knowing that New York City is 5 boroughs, trying to lay claim that the majority of the deaths are in the suburbs, not understanding the "suburbs" you refer to are in fact New York City.

I think you meant to say "Manhattan" but too stupid to understand the difference.

You’re trying way to hard to make some stupid *** point.

First of all, I didn’t mentioned deaths, rather “rates” (per 100,000). And by suburbs I meant SUBURBS - Rockland, West Chester, Nassau, counties, etc. Check out the morbidity and mortality rates of those places.

 

[Troglodyte]

Then clearly you are a dumbass not knowing that New York City is 5 boroughs, trying to lay claim that the majority of the deaths are in the suburbs, not understanding the "suburbs" you refer to are in fact New York City.

I think you meant to say "Manhattan" but too stupid to understand the difference.

You’re trying way to hard to make some stupid *** point.

First of all, I didn’t mentioned deaths, rather “rates” (per 100,000). And by suburbs I meant SUBURBS - Rockland, West Chester, Nassau, counties, etc. Check out the morbidity and mortality rates of those places.