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The Coronavirus thread

They should do a study to see how many "essential workers" have gotten the kung flu during this horseshit lockdown. I've gone to work every day, except weekends, and I haven't gotten sick. Neither have any of my co-workers or anyone that I know in the steel and chemical industries. I've gone to a bunch of different stores a bunch of different time and have never worn a mask. I haven't done any social distancing except at the drug store where the line at the pharmacy was taped off. I've dated two women since early March and there sure as hell was no social distancing between us. I think this whole thing is purely political and will go down as the biggest **** up in history.
 
How is mass transit usage quarantining and self isolation?

It. Is. Not.

it's producing herd immunity.

which is what you've been arguing for over the past 2-3 pages without realizing it. Dipshit.
 
It. Is. Not.

it's producing herd immunity.

which is what you've been arguing for over the past 2-3 pages without realizing it. Dipshit.

Uh no, ridership down 87% (of nearly 5 million) several lines shut down altogether.

Again, you all need to take a deep breath and regroup.
 
United States: 149 deaths per 1 million population
Can you cite a single piece of evidence showing that the death rate is significantly lower due to lockdowns?? I cannot find such data.

But one thing we know for sure, as an absolute fact: The total lockdown is destroying the economy, putting millions out of work and killing thousands, tens of thousands, and bankrupting us.

That is the only stat I ever cared about. It puts this whole thing into perspective.
149 out of a million people isn't squat.

Time to open this country up.
 
They should do a study to see how many "essential workers" have gotten the kung flu during this horseshit lockdown. I've gone to work every day, except weekends, and I haven't gotten sick. Neither have any of my co-workers or anyone that I know in the steel and chemical industries. I've gone to a bunch of different stores a bunch of different time and have never worn a mask. I haven't done any social distancing except at the drug store where the line at the pharmacy was taped off. I've dated two women since early March and there sure as hell was no social distancing between us. I think this whole thing is purely political and will go down as the biggest **** up in history.

Essential Healthcare workers have been the hardest hit by this aside from the elderly and those with comorbidities. Now that being said they also face a much higher rate of exposure but have also seen more severe cases in people without comorbidities. It is the one thing that gives me some pause in how much we open and how fast UNTIL we have proper PPE for our frontline nurses, doctors and aids. That is one thing we have failed at in this whole thing and I blame government inefficiencies and waste for that not the current administration alone but a generation of failure to properly prepare stemming back 3 administrations.
 
Just saw perhaps the DUMBEST hashtag in the history of ever....it was at the end of a TP commercial and to make us feel better, we are all asked to #Shareasquare.

Dear lord make all this **** stop.
 
Just saw perhaps the DUMBEST hashtag in the history of ever....it was at the end of a TP commercial and to make us feel better, we are all asked to #Shareasquare.

I suggest the nation use the defense production act to order that Nancy Pelosi's botoxed face be used in place of toilet paper.

Dear lord make all this **** stop.

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I suggest the nation use the defense production act to order that Nancy Pelosi's botoxed face be used in place of toilet paper.



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I don't want my *** to get a rash....I'll pass on using Pelosi's face as TP. And I didn't even notice my joke at the end.....
 
And I didn't even notice my joke at the end.....

Part of my duties here on SN. We can certainly understand, given some of the brain-dead moderators they have on the site. Good God, one of those bobbing feeding bird toys would be more effective.
 
You’re trying way to hard to make some stupid *** point.

First of all, I didn’t mentioned deaths, rather “rates” (per 100,000). And by suburbs I meant SUBURBS - Rockland, West Chester, Nassau, counties, etc. Check out the morbidity and mortality rates of those places.

You never cease to amaze.

Fine, let's go with continuing to highlight your stupidity.

1. You have harped 2 or 3 times about 3.1 million commuting into the city daily. WRONG. Cite a source. I gave you one. Your beloved NYT. 1.6 million commute into New York daily, yet you repeat it over and over and over. You are WRONG.

2. You and SteelPride have been arguing over "death rates" comparing Stockholm and New York City. I used absolute deaths. Fine, let's go with Death Rates. You stated, and I quote: "The highest rateS are in the NYC suburbs, not NYC itself. The 3.1 million that cram into trains and subways and sit or stand within a couple feet of each other."

Your words: The highest RATES. Plural. Are...in....the....suburbs. Again, you are WRONG.

Again, I'll quote your beloved NYT:

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Deaths per 100,000 people and infections per 100,000 people. The infections rate is absolutely higher in the suburbs, but that hasn't been your point. Yours has been deaths.

The death rate in NYC is higher than the death rate in Rockland, Suffolk, New York and Westchester counties, all NYC commuter/suburb counties. Only Nassau County, which DIRECTLY connects to Queens, has a higher death rate.

1 of 5 suburb counties of New York City has a marginally higher death rate. ONE out of FIVE.

The suburbs (plural) DO NOT have a higher death rate than New York City.

Wrong again Flog. Wrong again.
 
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I have an idea that's overly simplistic and rather Archie Bunker-ish in nature, think of his solution to airline hijackings.

Anyway, why not put all those at high risk of death on house arrest until this all blows over? The government can bring food and supplies to them and no one leave the house.
This way the young and healthy can continue to work, and even if they do contract the virus, in most cases, it would be symptom free. And if it get serious for them, there would still be adequate facilities to treat them.

Only downside as I see it would be an increase in spousal homicides.

I posted this over a month ago with a degree of humor intent, now I think I may be prophetic.
 
I posted this over a month ago with a degree of humor intent, now I think I may be prophetic.

You are Cassandra-like in your prognostication. I recall from my college days that Cassandra was blessed and cursed by the gods. Blessed in that she could foretell the future; cursed in that nobody believed her. Blessed that she had wished for eternal life; cursed as she forgot to ask for eternal youth.
 
I don't mean to sound too harsh towards the medical community. But we have listened to WHO, the CDC, and physicians and reacted. Overwhelmingly, knee-jerk reacted. This article shows advancement in health care. It also highlights, physicians still really don't get it. But we follow.

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Special Report: As virus advances, doctors rethink rush to ventilate

BERLIN (Reuters) - When he was diagnosed with COVID-19, Andre Bergmann knew exactly where he wanted to be treated: the Bethanien hospital lung clinic in Moers, near his home in northwestern Germany.

The clinic is known for its reluctance to put patients with breathing difficulties on mechanical ventilators - the kind that involve tubes down the throat.

The 48-year-old physician, father of two and aspiring triathlete worried that an invasive ventilator would be harmful. But soon after entering the clinic, Bergmann said, he struggled to breathe even with an oxygen mask, and felt so sick the ventilator seemed inevitable.

Even so, his doctors never put him on a machine that would breathe for him. A week later, he was well enough to go home.

Bergmann’s case illustrates a shift on the front lines of the COVID-19 pandemic, as doctors rethink when and how to use mechanical ventilators to treat severe sufferers of the disease - and in some cases whether to use them at all. While initially doctors packed intensive care units with intubated patients, now many are exploring other options.

Machines to help people breathe have become the major weapon for medics fighting COVID-19, which has so far killed more than 183,000 people. Within weeks of the disease’s global emergence in February, governments around the world raced to build or buy ventilators as most hospitals said they were in critically short supply.

Germany has ordered 10,000 of them. Engineers from Britain to Uruguay are developing versions based on autos, vacuum cleaners or even windshield-wiper motors. U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration is spending $2.9 billion for nearly 190,000 ventilators. The U.S. government has contracted with automakers such as General Motors Co and Ford Motor Co as well as medical device manufacturers, and full delivery is expected by the end of the year. Trump declared this week that the U.S. was now “the king of ventilators.”

However, as doctors get a better understanding of what COVID-19 does to the body, many say they have become more sparing with the equipment.

Reuters interviewed 30 doctors and medical professionals in countries including China, Italy, Spain, Germany and the United States, who have experience of dealing with COVID-19 patients. Nearly all agreed that ventilators are vitally important and have helped save lives. At the same time, many highlighted the risks from using the most invasive types of them - mechanical ventilators - too early or too frequently, or from non-specialists using them without proper training in overwhelmed hospitals.

Medical procedures have evolved in the pandemic as doctors better understand the disease, including the types of drugs used in treatments. The shift around ventilators has potentially far-reaching implications as countries and companies ramp up production of the devices.

“BETTER RESULTS”

Many forms of ventilation use masks to help get oxygen into the lungs. Doctors’ main concern is around mechanical ventilation, which involves putting tubes into patients’ airways to pump air in, a process known as intubation. Patients are heavily sedated, to stop their respiratory muscles from fighting the machine.

Those with severe oxygen shortages, or hypoxia, have generally been intubated and hooked up to a ventilator for up to two to three weeks, with at best a fifty-fifty chance of surviving, according to doctors interviewed by Reuters and recent medical research. The picture is partial and evolving, but it suggests people with COVID-19 who have been intubated have had, at least in the early stages of the pandemic, a higher rate of death than other patients on ventilators who have conditions such as bacterial pneumonia or collapsed lungs.

This is not proof that ventilators have hastened death: The link between intubation and death rates needs further study, doctors say.

In China, 86% of 22 COVID-19 patients didn’t survive invasive ventilation at an intensive care unit in Wuhan, the city where the pandemic began, according to a study published in The Lancet in February. Normally, the paper said, patients with severe breathing problems have a 50% chance of survival. A recent British study found two-thirds of COVID-19 patients put on mechanical ventilators ended up dying anyway, and a New York study found 88% of 320 mechanically ventilated COVID-19 patients had died.

More recently, none of the eight patients who went on ventilators at the Cleveland Clinic Abu Dhabi hospital had died as of April 9, a doctor there told Reuters. And one ICU doctor at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta said he had had a “good” week when almost half the COVID-19 patients were successfully taken off the ventilator, when he had expected more to die.

The experiences can vary dramatically. The average time a COVID-19 patient spent on a ventilator at Scripps Health’s five hospitals in California’s San Diego County was just over a week, compared with two weeks at the Hadassah Ein Kerem Medical Center in Jerusalem and three at the Universiti Malaya Medical Centre in the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur, medics at the hospitals said.

In Germany, as patient Bergmann struggled to breathe, he said he was getting too desperate to care.

“There came a moment when it simply no longer mattered,” he told Reuters. “At one point I was so exhausted that I asked my doctor if I was going to get better. I was saying, if I had no children or partner then it would be easier just to be left in peace.”

Instead of putting Bergmann on a mechanical ventilator, the clinic gave him morphine and kept him on the oxygen mask. He’s since tested free of the infection, but not fully recovered. The head of the clinic, Thomas Voshaar, a German pulmonologist, has argued strongly against early intubation of COVID-19 patients. Doctors including Voshaar worry about the risk that ventilators will damage patients’ lungs.

The doctors interviewed by Reuters agreed that mechanical ventilators are crucial life-saving devices, especially in severe cases when patients suddenly deteriorate. This happens to some when their immune systems go into overdrive in what is known as a “cytokine storm” of inflammation that can cause dangerously high blood pressure, lung damage and eventual organ failure.

The new coronavirus and COVID-19, the disease the virus causes, have been compared to the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918-19, which killed 50 million people worldwide. Now as then, the disease is novel, severe and spreading rapidly, pushing the limits of the public health and medical knowledge required to tackle it.

When coronavirus cases started surging in Louisiana, doctors at the state’s largest hospital system, Ochsner Health, saw an influx of people with signs of acute respiratory distress syndrome, or ARDS. Patients with ARDS have inflammation in the lungs which can cause them to struggle to breathe and take rapid short breaths.

“Initially we were intubating fairly quickly on these patients as they began to have more respiratory distress,” said Robert Hart, the hospital system’s chief medical officer. “Over time what we learned is trying not to do that.”

Instead, Hart’s hospital tried other forms of ventilation using masks or thin nasal tubes, as Voshaar did with his German patient. “We seem to be seeing better results,” Hart said.

CHANGED LUNGS

Other doctors painted a similar picture.

In Wuhan, where the novel coronavirus emerged, doctors at Tongji Hospital at the Huazhong University of Science and Technology said they initially turned quickly to intubation. Li Shusheng, head of the hospital’s intensive care department, said a number of patients did not improve after ventilator treatment.

“The disease,” he explained, “had changed their lungs beyond our imagination.” His colleague Xu Shuyun, a doctor of respiratory medicine, said the hospital adapted by cutting back on intubation.

Luciano Gattinoni, a guest professor at the Department of Anaesthesiology, Emergency and Intensive Care Medicine, University of Göttingen in Germany, and a renowned expert in ventilators, was one of the first to raise questions about how they should be used to treat COVID-19.

“I realised as soon as I saw the first CT scan ... that this had nothing to do with what we had seen and done for the past 40 years,” he told Reuters.

In a paper published by the American Thoracic Society on March 30, Gattinoni and other Italian doctors wrote that COVID-19 does not lead to “typical” respiratory problems. Patients’ lungs were working better than they would expect for ARDS, they wrote - they were more elastic. So, he said, mechanical ventilation should be given “with a lower pressure than the one we are used to.”

Ventilating some COVID-19 sufferers as if they were standard patients with ARDS is not appropriate, he told Reuters. “It’s like using a Ferrari to go to the shop next door, you press on the accelerator and you smash the window.”

The Italians were swiftly followed by Cameron Kyle-Sidell, a New York physician who put out a talk on YouTube saying that by preparing to put patients on ventilators, hospitals in America were treating “the wrong disease.” Ventilation, he feared, would lead to “a tremendous amount of harm to a great number of people in a very short time.” This remains his view, he told Reuters this week.

When Spain’s outbreak erupted in mid-March, many patients went straight onto ventilators because lung X-rays and other test results “scared us,” said Delia Torres, a physician at the Hospital General Universitario de Alicante. They now focus more on breathing and a patient’s overall condition than just X-rays and tests. And they intubate less. “If the patient can get better without it, then there’s no need,” she said.

In Germany, lung specialist Voshaar was also concerned. A mechanical ventilator itself can damage the lungs, he says. This means patients stay in intensive care longer, blocking specialist beds and creating a vicious circle in which ever more ventilators are needed.

Of the 36 acute COVID-19 patients on his ward in mid-April, Voshaar said, one had been intubated - a man with a serious neuro-muscular disorder - and he was the only patient to die. Another 31 had recovered.

“IRON LUNGS”

Some doctors cautioned that the impression that the rush to ventilate is harmful may be partly due to the sheer numbers of patients in today’s pandemic.

People working in intensive care units know that the mortality rate of ARDS patients who are intubated is around 40%, said Thierry Fumeaux, head of an ICU in Nyon, Switzerland, and president of the Swiss Intensive Care Medicine Society. That is high, but may be acceptable in normal times, when there are three or four patients in a unit and one of them doesn’t make it.

“When you have 20 patients or more, this becomes very evident,” said Fumeaux. “So you have this feeling - and I’ve heard this a lot - that ventilation kills the patient.” That’s not the case, he said. “No, it’s not the ventilation that kills the patient, it’s the lung disease.”

Mario Riccio, head of anaesthesiology and resuscitation at the Oglio Po hospital near Cremona in Lombardy, Italy’s worst-hit region, says the machines are the only treatment to save a COVID-19 patient in serious condition. “The fact that people who were placed under mechanical ventilation in some cases die does not undermine this statement.”

Originally nicknamed “iron lungs” when introduced in the 1920s and 1930s, mechanical ventilators are sometimes also called respirators. They use pressure to blow air - or a mixture of gases such as oxygen and air - into the lungs.

They can be set to exhale it, too, effectively taking over a patient’s entire breathing process when their lungs fail. The aim is to give the body enough time to fight off an infection to be able to breathe independently and recover.

Some patients need them because they’re losing the strength to breathe, said Yoram Weiss, director of Hadassah Ein Kerem Medical Center in Jerusalem. “It is very important to ventilate them before they collapse.” At his hospital, 24 of 223 people with COVID-19 had been put on ventilators by April 13. Of those, four had died and three had come off the machines.

AEROSOLS

Simpler forms of ventilation - face masks for example - are easier to administer. But respirator masks can release micro-droplets known as aerosols which may spread infection. Some doctors said they avoided the masks, at least at first, because of that risk.

While mechanical ventilators do not produce aerosols, they carry other risks. Intubation requires patients to be heavily sedated so their respiratory muscles fully surrender. The recovery can be lengthy, with a risk of permanent lung damage.

Now that the initial wave of COVID-19 cases has peaked in many countries, doctors have time to examine other ways of managing the disease and are fine-tuning their approach.

Voshaar, the German lung specialist, said some doctors were approaching COVID-19 lung problems as they would other forms of pneumonia. In a healthy patient, oxygen saturation - a measure of how much oxygen the haemoglobin in the blood contains - is around 96% of the maximum amount the blood can hold. When doctors check patients and see lower levels, indicating hypoxia, Voshaar said, they can overreact and race to intubate.

“We lung doctors see this all the time,” Voshaar told Reuters. “We see 80% and still do nothing and let them breathe spontaneously. The patient doesn’t feel great, but he can eat and drink and sit on the side of his bed.”

He and other doctors think other tests can help before intubation. Voshaar looks at a combination of measures including how fast the patient is breathing and their heart rate. His team are also guided by lung scans.

“HAPPY HYPOXICS”

Several doctors in New York said they too had started to consider how to treat patients, known as “happy hypoxics,” who can talk and laugh with no signs of mental cloudiness even though their oxygen might be critically low.

Rather than rushing to intubate, doctors say they now look for other ways to boost the patients’ oxygen. One method, known as “proning,” is telling or helping patients to roll over and lie on their fronts, said Scott Weingart, head of emergency critical care at Stony Brook University Medical Center on Long Island.

“If patients are left in one position in bed, they tend to desaturate, they lose the oxygen in their blood,” Weingart said. Lying on the front shifts any fluid in the lungs to the front and frees up the back of the lungs to expand better. “The position changes have radically impressive effects on the patient’s oxygen saturations.”

Weingart does recommend intubating a communicative patient with low oxygen levels if they start to lose mental clarity, if they experience a cytokine storm or if they start to really struggle to breathe. He feels there are enough ventilators for such patients at his hospital.

But for happy hypoxics, “I still don’t want these patients on ventilators, because I think it’s hurting them, not helping them.”

QUALITY, SKILL

As governments in the United States and elsewhere are scrambling to raise output of ventilators, some doctors worry the fast-built machines may not be up to snuff.

Doctors in Spain wrote to their local government to complain that ventilators it had bought were designed for use in ambulances, not intensive care units, and some were of poor quality. In the UK, the government has cancelled an order for thousands of units of a simple model because more sophisticated devices are needed.

More important, many doctors say, is that the additional machines will need highly trained and experienced operators.

“It’s not just about running out of ventilators, it’s running out of expertise,” said David Hill, a pulmonology and critical care physician in Waterbury, Connecticut, who attends at Waterbury Hospital.

Long-term ventilation management is complex, but Hill said some U.S. hospitals were trying to bring non-critical care physicians up to speed fast with webinars or even tip sheets. “That is a recipe for bad outcomes.”

“We intensivists don’t ventilate by protocol,” said Hill. “We may choose initial settings,” he said, “but we adjust those settings. It’s complicated.”

(This story was refiled to correct link to graphic; adds dropped name of hospital in section 2)
 
UN Food Chief Says World Is Facing the Threat of 'Multiple Famines of Biblical Proportions'

World Food Program Executive Director David Beasley gave a warning to the UN Security Council on Tuesday that unless urgent action is taken now, the coronavirus crisis will result in "multiple famines of biblical proportions."

Beasley isn't talking about the world's breadbaskets like the U.S. heartland and Ukraine being unable to grow crops. What he's pointing to is a massive disruption in food supply networks around the world so that those who are already vulnerable to starvation are threatened.

New York Post:

“Forgive me for speaking bluntly, but I’d like to lay out for you very clearly what the world is facing at this very moment,” Beasley said. “At the same time while dealing with a COVID-19 pandemic, we are also on the brink of a hunger pandemic.”

Millions of civilians living in conflict-scarred nations are being “pushed to the brink of starvation” amid the crisis, with famine “a very real and dangerous possibility,” he said.

It's not just civilians in war zones, either. Ordinarily, there are almost a billion people on the planet who are uncertain where their next meal is coming from. The pandemic's fallout has the potential of pushing these people over the edge to where their lives and health are severely threatened.

The World Food Program had already warned that 135 million people across the world are facing “crisis levels of hunger or worse” — but their updated projections during the pandemic nearly double that number.

That’s in addition to the 821 million people already chronically hungry, Beasley said.

Lockdowns and economic recessions will likely lead to a major loss of income among the working poor, he said.

Beasley told the Security Council, “In a worst-case scenario, we could be looking at famine in about three dozen countries, and in fact, in 10 of these countries we already have more than one million people per country who are on the verge of starvation."

“I must warn you that if we don’t prepare and act now — to secure access, avoid funding shortfalls and disruptions to trade. We could be facing multiple famines of biblical proportions within a short few months,” he said.

In the U.S., there were early fears that an economic shutdown would lead to food shortages. But while some meat and produce supplies have been disrupted, there is still meat on the shelves of most stores. And even though many meat processing plants have shut down, supplies appear to be adequate.

But for how long is anyone's guess. The amazing thing is that supply is adjusting to the new reality. That's what a free market will do. And while there will continue to be disruptions of some product supplies and farmers will continue to dump produce, eggs, and milk, the U.S. consumer is not in danger of going hungry anytime soon.

The same cannot be said for a large portion of people on the planet. But what can we do? Most of us have less disposable income than we did before, which means we can't donate to these international relief agencies. They are going to have to depend on other governments funding them.

And most governments have their own problems with food supplies. It appears that Beasley's prediction of global famine may come to pass unless we can find a way to defeat the coronavirus and get back to some semblance of normalcy.
 
Oh Floggie isn't gonna like to hear this one little bit.....

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Sweden resisted a lockdown, and its capital Stockholm is expected to reach ‘herd immunity’ in weeks

  • Unlike its neighbors, Sweden did not impose a lockdown amid the coronavirus outbreak.
  • The strategy — aimed at building a broad-base of immunity while protecting at-risk groups like the elderly — has proved controversial.
  • But Sweden’s chief epidemiologist has said “herd immunity” could be reached in Stockholm within weeks.

Its neighbors closed borders, schools, bars and businesses as the coronavirus pandemic swept through Europe, but Sweden went against the grain by keeping public life as unrestricted as possible.

The strategy — aimed at allowing some exposure to the virus in order to build immunity among the general population while protecting high-risk groups like the elderly — has been controversial. Some health experts liken it to playing Russian roulette with public health.

But now, the country’s chief epidemiologist said the strategy appears to be working and that “herd immunity” could be reached in the capital Stockholm in a matter of weeks.

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Remember what this felt like? People enjoy the warm spring weather at Hornstull in Stockholm on April 21, 2020, during the new coronavirus COVID-19 pandemic.


“In major parts of Sweden, around Stockholm, we have reached a plateau (in new cases) and we’re already seeing the effect of herd immunity and in a few weeks’ time we’ll see even more of the effects of that. And in the rest of the country, the situation is stable,” Dr. Anders Tegnell, chief epidemiologist at Sweden’s Public Health Agency, told CNBC on Tuesday.

Herd immunity among a population, usually achieved through vaccination, is reached when around 60% of citizens are deemed immune. Without a vaccine for the coronavirus, however, scientists are looking at whether exposure to and recovery from Covid-19 leads to long-term immunity. Reinfections of coronavirus have been reported.

Tegnell said sampling and modeling data indicated that 20% of Stockholm’s population is already immune to the virus, and that “in a few weeks’ time we might reach herd immunity and we believe that is why we’re seeing a slow decline in cases, in spite of sampling (testing for the coronavirus) more and more.”

“Unfortunately the mortality rate is high due to the introduction (of the virus) in elderly care homes and we are investigating the cause of that,” he said.

The major part of Sweden’s 15,322 confirmed cases are in Stockholm and its surrounding areas, with very small incidences of the virus in the rest of Sweden — a country of around 10 million that has a low population density outside its urban hubs.

The number of cases in Sweden is almost double that in neighboring Denmark (it has 8,108 cases and has reported 370 deaths) and Finland (with just over 4,000 cases and 141 deaths) that imposed strict lockdown measures. Since their populations are each about 5 million — half of Sweden’s — the rates are about the same, although the comparison could be skewed by testing numbers in each country. Still, Sweden’s 1,937 death toll is far higher than its neighbors.

Sweden originally tested only people who came into a hospital but is now testing more key workers and those in care homes. Tegnell said the decision to test more groups of people was a reason for the number of confirmed cases not declining as quickly as it could have.

Sweden is testing around 20,000 people a week and hopes to increase that to 100,000 in a few weeks’ time, Tegnell said.

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damn it. Just starting to get my TP supply up.

So what’s the next hot item so I can jump on that stock. Tuna? Mmmm love eating fish. To bad kid is not allowed to leave house.
 
If this is a “next year” thing like the flu. Countries that got scared and hid are ******. I’m getting (or trying too) my anti body test next week. I’d love to donate my plasma but the BAC is to high.
 
Over A million people died of aids last year worldwide... thats still way down from where it used to be and yet i have not heard one liberal suggesting that the government should mandate that people with hiv not be allowed to have sex or legally be required to wear a condom...



The governor of NY admitted that its now believed that 14 to 21 percent of tge state has had coronavirus based on antibody testing... even at the low side estimates thats 3million people... that puts coronavirus at half the death rate of a mild flu...
 
Tucker Carlson with a great take on the dims criticism of protestors. The part of this that really kills me is reminiscing about Occupy Wallstreet which the crazies supported and its violent, filthy legacy. I guess it lines up with their values after all.

https://youtu.be/jmghNve6QFY
 
Now we are hearing the sunlight, heat, and humidity kill the virus. So scientists can do genetic analysis of this thing, but they can't take five minutes, put it out in the sun and see if that kills it? Why is this information still not definite after so long? This event is going to set back the general confidence in science back quite a bit.

One of the major themes of a horror films class I took (yes, awesome elective) was how scientists were portrayed on film at different times in America. For example, in the original 1951 The Thing, scientists were portrayed as useless hand-wringing weanies, and men of action were the heros. That was the general feeling in the 50s. The space race turned that around and there have been cycles since. I think we will be moving back to more of the "scientists are useless hand-wringing weanies", at least in the general population. Hollywood seems broken for good.
 
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