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The Coronavirus thread

And the part I don't understand is why it has to be one (the Pandemic) or the other (immigration). It's both, and one is leading to the other. If you are letting sick people across the border, and housing them in close quarters with those that are not sick, there is a good chance you are going to make a lot more sick people. Then release them into the country where you can't track them or find them. At the same time, you tell your own citizens they are ********, racists, anti-science, whatever and blame them for the dumb **** you are doing. And on top of that, tell them that the flu is down because everyone is wearing masks, but covid is spreading because no one is wearing masks (and some people are actually buying that nonsense). How does anyone trust this government to be honest and upright with them? It's mind numbing.
I had a debate with someone today on the Book of Face. A died-in-the-wool Liberal. Quite literally believes everything he is told.

Masks work? By God it's fact.
The science says social distancing works? By God that too is fact.
His elected leaders tell him white people are all inherently racist? Believes that as fact too.

It's mind numbing to me how many people are too intellectually lazy to think. Who simply follow orders. And doctrine. That they get from their Government (they trust without question) and their media (they trust without question).

Nuts. And dangerous.
 
It's mind numbing.

You're suggesting a few hundred covid+ immigrants who've entered the country at the southern border are fueling the roughly 60,000/day new covid positive cases in the US?
 
You're suggesting a few hundred covid+ immigrants who've entered the country at the southern border are fueling the roughly 60,000/day new covid positive cases in the US?
My Goodness, you prove Sarge's point with evert post.
 
We are sliding down that rocky hill at an accelerated pace. The brakes are gone and a cliff up ahead.
everywhere I look and think on events, I don't see an alternative. over we are going.

bye, bye what this country was about.

And Tibs is probably thinking, that's not so bad while living in Hungary.
 
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Here dumbass, here's some 'typical fearmongering' from your beloved Foxnews. It really is a race to the bottom with some of you folks. Hope you make it through ok.


Vile Comrade Tibs, useful idiot, proving it again. Did you even read the article?

"There isn't a country in the world right now that is seeing a big increase in this B.1.1.7 that isn't locking down. We're the exception," Osterholm said,

He referred to the variant as a "game changer" and insisted that the focus needs to be on getting through the next two to three months – as long as people continue to receive vaccinations and follow basic health guidelines, including hand-washing, mask-wearing and social distancing.



Its clearly terrible. Your expert provided no details, other than noting that kids are good at transmitting the virus.......as every parent knows.

Again, does the kids getting the virus -- no worries about negative outcomes so long as they wash their hands ---- not speed the herd immunity???
 
You're suggesting a few hundred covid+ immigrants who've entered the country at the southern border are fueling the roughly 60,000/day new covid positive cases in the US?
Your government is releasing sick, unvaccinated, covid positive people free into the country and your reaction is "Meh, it's just a few hundred people. No big deal." There is no point discussing this further as you have basically proven my point.
 
And, if as suggested by Tibs' post earlier in this thread, this P1 variant is as terrible as they say, we shouldn't be letting anyone in the country at all.
 
You're suggesting a few hundred covid+ immigrants who've entered the country at the southern border are fueling the roughly 60,000/day new covid positive cases in the US?

Tibs Nye, where did you get that number?

per https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ the new cases are a tick over 2,000
if 60,000 new cases per day were indeed happening, in a country of 332 million, then we're on track for every single person in this country to have the Wuhan Flu - per your logic - in 5,533+/- days. If that happens, the death rate of .018 will ensure that nearly 6 million people will die.

is that the hill you're tryna die on? that 6 million people are going to die from this?

because if so, you're then advocating for not only masking up, doubling up on the stabbyjab but also for - follow along and read this slowly - preventing the influx of new variants into the country by way of immigrations. If you really do not understand how those go hand in hand, then you're as willfully obtuse and ignorant as the rest of the board believes you to be without being willful.
 
Yup, just like I wrote, roughly 60k new cases a day in the US. 67,989 on Sat Apr 3rd, 65,933 Fri Apr 2, 74,912 Apr 1st, and so on.


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Yup, just like I wrote, roughly 60k new cases a day in the US. 67,989 on Sat Apr 3rd, 65,933 Fri Apr 2, 74,912 Apr 1st, and so on.


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so let's roll with your numbers.

60k new cases. per day.

how do we combat that? do we let MORE people come into the country who - as you dutifully claim - bring about variants of variants that we have zero vaccine for, or do we close the border until we can get this under control, thereby protecting the mass population as best as we can?
 
This is how you say "yep I got it wrong not once, not twice...but three times?" :LOL::ROFLMAO::LOL::ROFLMAO::LOL:

No dumbshit, let me repeat AGAIN - go READ the article itself. When I posted the article, I had read it, you know, prior to posting it. Therefore I knew it was a prediction. I even, in stupid *** rebuttals with your annoying ***, pointed out that the article and he said words like "may" and "might". The article was posted on its face value - we may be at or very near herd immunity.

You attempt to needle and back people into corners. It's your schtick. Once again, you ****** up. You didn't read the article. You accused me of making the quote. Then the Dr. for making the quote. Then mistook the dates. One of your more colossal **** ups. I applaud you on screwing this one up 6 days to Sunday and back.



SD and ND are leading the nation in current case ratios. Their stance, to let it ride, worked. It's not spreading there any more. Yet it still runs rampant in some of your fave states like NY, CA, PA, VA, MD. Hats off again to SD and ND to go through a hard phase to get to where they are today....states that have combined only 4,000 total cases. Bravo!

By the way, deaths are down 22% over the past 14 days. Bravo!!

You sir have banged on the US Death Rate drum since the beginning. No switching arguments mid stream now floggy. Our Death Rate is bad because we are soooooo unhealthy. Keep sticking your pig head in the sand all you like, you're denying a FACT because it goes against your religion, your ideology. We had a higher death rate because we are so damned fat (36% of us) and nearly 11% of us have diabetes.

MSNBC and the CDC and scientists around the world agree with me. But please, it's utterly comical to watch you continue to disagree with this. Go on, I encourage it.


FROM THE ARTICLE (said so you don't believe I may have said this...again):

Being overweight makes the coronavirus worse. According to a March report by the World Obesity Federation:



The report adds that “of the 2.5 million COVID-19 deaths reported by the end of February 2021, 2.2 million were in countries where more than half the population is classified as overweight.” There may be other factors at play; air-conditioning, climate, time spent indoors, etc. But in a survey of its own, also in March, our own CDC found that, in the United States, more than half of coronavirus patients in hospitals were medically obese, and an additional 28 percent were overweight. These findings could resolve an essential quandary concerning coronavirus spread and intensity, explaining why some countries and other regions with inferior medical systems or starkly differing coronavirus-mitigation strategies have fared far better than those with apparently superior systems or strategies. It may be that the preexisting health of a population has more to do with how that population deals with the coronavirus than almost anything else, because, generally speaking, a person who is healthy and fit is better-equipped than someone who is neither to deal with the coronavirus. As U.K. prime minister Boris Johnson, who had a particularly nasty bout of coronavirus, bluntly put it after he recovered: “I was too fat.”
There’s two articles, Tim. The February 18th WSJ Makary OPINION, and the idiotic March 29th Townhall misrepresentation of that opinion that YOU posted. The Townhall article is in the present tense as if “Well, it’s April, so herd immunity is here!” If you knew it was an outdated prediction from when average daily new cases were down 77% instead of up 17%, why didn’t a light go off telling you the Townhall article was a bunch off bullshit?

Again, what was your point in posting it? Why not post the WSJ article instead? You seem to be now arguing that you were aware the Townhall article was bullshit all along. Bizarre. I suspect you weren’t aware at all due to the alternative facts bubble you live in.

And you’re clueless about ND and SD. They are still in the top half of the country in average daily new cases despite being two of the most SPARSELY populated states. CA is currently among the lowest.

You’re also clueless about a “let it ride” the more cases the better approach. No state achieved natural herd immunity. Nobody that understands the pandemic believes that.
 
so let's roll with your numbers.

60k new cases. per day. how do we combat that? do we let MORE people come into the country who - as you dutifully claim - bring about variants of variants that we have zero vaccine for, or do we close the border until we can get this under control, thereby protecting the mass population as best as we can?

Are you on crack? They're not 'my' numbers, I'm not 'dutifully claiming' anything. It's the CDC's official website. Lord Jesus, help us.
 
I suspect you weren’t aware at all due to the alternative facts bubble you live in.

This seems to be an entirely different pandemic here on the board. A pandemic within a pandemic, if you will.
 
Are you on crack? They're not 'my' numbers, I'm not 'dutifully claiming' anything. It's the CDC's official website. Lord Jesus, help us.
oh, my bad. didnt mean to trample your skirt. those were the numbers YOU posted, so those must be the numbers YOU agree with. In such a situation, I referred to them as "your numbers", Ms. Petty.
 
oh, my bad. didnt mean to trample your skirt. those were the numbers YOU posted, so those must be the numbers YOU agree with. In such a situation, I referred to them as "your numbers", Ms. Petty.

Do you not trust or refer to CDC's official Covid numbers at face value? Do you have your own secret set of numbers hidden on a Breitbart server somewhere? Some of you guys have gone so far off the deep end, it's not even funny anymore.
 
They have been talking about variants since the end of last summer. Seriously. That they are coming. There is no evidence whatsoever yet that any new variants re-infect those who have had it, that they are more deadly, etc. Fear is the tool they have used and they don't want that tool going away. It's too powerful.

By the way, can someone tell me how many Flu cases there were in the US this winter?
Not many. The mitigation efforts that reduced Covid cases were even more effective against far less contagious diseases. Imagine that! The more you know...
 

Indy, your the poster child for fake news. CDC has 65K flu cases in 2019 and you post something referring to 38 million.
If flu cases are low from mask wearing, social distancing, hand washing, maybe we need to continue these practices forever.
 
Do you not trust or refer to CDC's official Covid numbers at face value? Do you have your own secret set of numbers hidden on a Breitbart server somewhere? Some of you guys have gone so far off the deep end, it's not even funny anymore.
goddamn.

if those are the numbers that the CDC are saying are legit, then lets have a ******* conversation about how that impacts the ******* country. or do you want to continue this circular conversation over whose numbers they are?

care to address the rest of the post or do you want to see if we can determine precisely who at the CDC came up with these numbers, how they were retrieved, who reported those, the method of reporting, the accuracy of the numbers being reported, who obtained the data orginially and their political/social leanings?
 
Not many. The mitigation efforts that reduced Covid cases were even more effective against far less contagious diseases. Imagine that! The more you know...

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I don't understand why it is so difficult to follow, save for Liberals being intentionally obtuse about it so as to obfuscate.

For a year we have been told to social distance and to wear a mask
Church gatherings were banned, because they were dangerous
People by and large universally supported stopping immigration from basically everywhere so as to slow the progression of COVID
Beijing Joe has contemplated using Executive orders for nationwide mask mandates. He HAS implemented one for Federal facilities
We are about to see Americans subjected to HAVING to have COVID vaccine papers in order to freely move

Beijing Joe comes into office. He stops the further construction of the border wall. Immigrants wearing custom-printed T-shirts screaming for Biden to let them in (where did they get those??) approach and flow across the border because they know Liberals have an "open door" policy.

As...if...they...just...forgot...about...the...pandemic....tens and hundreds of thousands of ILLEGAL aliens will be welcomed into our country, countless infected with COVID, stuffed together shoulder to shoulder in facilities (have you seen the photos?? They are stacked on each other) because IT FITS THE LIBERAL AGENDA.....

But meanwhile Beijing Joe himself derided the Texas Rangers for saying opening day would be max capacity in the stadium for fans.

Americans are sick and tired of Liberals lecturing us about masks, social distancing and getting vaccines while they allow...no dare I say encourage and welcome...untested illegal immigrants to flow through our borders and inserting them into our population in the most dangerous of fashions.

It's the ultimate hypocrisy.
Michigan leads the country in new cases. ******* Canadian illegal aliens!
 
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