The Death of Free Speech

[Tibs]

It is possible to completely abhor what is being said, but support the fact that is allowed to be said.

Reading this board do you get the sense Trump supporters and the Alt Right 'completely abhor' the Far Right nationalist movement? Maybe I didn't get the memo. The focus seems to be on those protesting against the Klan and Nazis. Reading this board, it's clear as day the leftists are the bad guys here, although peaceful protestors (see 40,000 in Boston) far outnumber the radical, violent few.

They are two distinct things that you seem to want to lump together for no apparent reasoning.

That's my apparent reasoning.

 

[Superman]

nah. the lefties are the epitome of hypocrisy.

i see a lot of the people here as mid-right. we tolerate hatred from both sides until it gets violent. then none of us condones it. say what you want. then we know who you are.
it's the fringe groups on both ends of the spectrum that are ****** up. KKK, AntiFA, BLM and now the BAMN ******** can all **** right off.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Reading this board do you get the sense Trump supporters and the Alt Right 'completely abhor' the Far Right nationalist movement? Maybe I didn't get the memo. The focus seems to be on those protesting against the Klan and Nazis. Reading this board, it's clear as day the leftists are the bad guys here, although peaceful protestors (see 40,000 in Boston) far outnumber the radical, violent few.

That's my apparent reasoning.

It's been duly noted you have a major filter problem, and you are seeing what you want to see. Fed, DBS, me and anyone else on the right has sung the same tune since day one. They have a right to Free Speech...and that's the only defense they've gotten from us.

We have also been "wholly" objective and recognized Charlottesville for all of the events that occurred. You and your ilk and the MSM will ONLY focus on one facet of Charlottesville. That is not an argument.

We see the problems with the White Supremacists, the KKK, the local Government, the Governor, the Police, AntiFA and 5 other major Alt Left groups. All of it. You and your ilk in the MSM wearing your blinders (for intentional political purpose) will only see and talk about those things in bold. And anyone else in the world that finds fault with these other groups not in bold are labeled Nazis themselves by you and your ilk in the MSM.

That is quite literally what is going down.

And that behavior is quite literally why someone like Trump is in office. And why you've lost 1,000 elections. This inability by you and your side to treat your political opponents as human beings and take them at their word. Instead Racist and Nazi labels are used by you, the media, Hollywood all too freely.

Scary **** man.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

[Reading this board do you get the sense Trump supporters and the Alt Right 'completely abhor' the Far Right nationalist movement? Maybe I didn't get the memo. The focus seems to be on those protesting against the Klan and Nazis. Reading this board, it's clear as day the leftists are the bad guys here, although peaceful protestors (see 40,000 in Boston) far outnumber the radical, violent few.

That's my apparent reasoning.

Says the guy who lives in a strongly nationalist country. Put your money where your mouth is, round up some like minded folks, paint some signs, and organize a protest at the capitol demanding that they let in Muslims. Let us know how it works out.
There is nothing wrong with being a nationalist, who by definition are going to be Right since the Left are the globalist-no-borders crowd (except for Bernie Sanders). The Left wants to blur the distinction between nationalists and Nazis-racists-Klan. No one here falls for it, which irritates you Leftys.

 

[IndySteel]

Anyone who is not an AntiFa/BLM Trump resister is a white supremacist Nazi, according to your run of the mill libtards.

**** right off with that bullshit.

 

[DBS1970]

Reading this board do you get the sense Trump supporters and the Alt Right 'completely abhor' the Far Right nationalist movement? Maybe I didn't get the memo. The focus seems to be on those protesting against the Klan and Nazis. Reading this board, it's clear as day the leftists are the bad guys here, although peaceful protestors (see 40,000 in Boston) far outnumber the radical, violent few.

That's my apparent reasoning.

Liar.

Nobody has an issue with peaceful protest. The issue we have is the assclowns pelting people with rocks and bottles, clubbing them with sticks and blocking streets and freeways. That coupled with the fact that the left has labeled everyone that disagrees with them as a "Nazi".

 

[Tibs]

I have no problem with the Far Right peacefully assembling and protesting whatever it is that's on their minds. I also have no problem with those that peacefully protest in opposition to them. The First Amendment guarantees that right for all. I condemn all forms of violence - and the call for violence - regardless who's perpetuating it. I go a step further and emphasize my opposition to all forms of racism, anti-semitism and bigotry. Just to be perfectly clear who's 'side' I'm on. But by all means the bigots and racists have every right to congregate and let their voices be heard.

 

[Superman]

I have no problem with the Far Right peacefully assembling and protesting whatever it is that's on their minds. I also have no problem with those that peacefully protest in opposition to them. The First Amendment guarantees that right for all. I condemn all forms of violence - and the call for violence - regardless who's perpetuating it. I go a step further and emphasize my opposition to all forms of racism, anti-semitism and bigotry. Just to be perfectly clear who's 'side' I'm on. But by all means the bigots and racists have every right to congregate and let their voices be heard.

do you realize that the AntiFA ******** are the ones instigating the violence? i don't give a **** if someone is exercising their FA and 2A at the same time. That is no reason to begin throwing **** at them nor try to hit them with baseball bats.

 

[SteelChip]

Liar.

Nobody has an issue with peaceful protest. The issue we have is the assclowns pelting people with rocks and bottles, clubbing them with sticks and blocking streets and freeways. That coupled with the fact that the left has labeled everyone that disagrees with them as a "Nazi".

 

[Tibs]

do you realize that the AntiFA ******** are the ones instigating the violence?

Yes that is why I've condemned AntiFa multiple times on the board, and will continue to do so if they partake in violence.

 

[Troglodyte]

All of us have openly condemned the white supremacists....The far right isn't initiating the violence. They Aryan Nation isn't showing up to DNC candidates rallies and rioting and assaulting people.

Condemn and then defend. Where have we seen this before?

 

[IndySteel]

AntiFa and BLM are full of bigots and racists.

 

[DBS1970]

Condemn and then defend. Where have we seen this before?

Defending the First Amendment. Also pointing out the hypocrisy of the left. So try again scooter you failed this time.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Condemn and then defend. Where have we seen this before?

Defending the First Amendment. Also pointing out the hypocrisy of the left. So try again scooter you failed this time.

Again, like most on the Left you're not smart enough to know the difference. Just regurgitate the talking points your party gives you.

 

[Steelin]

Maybe you should tell little Timmy to stop hounding me thread after thread, making an *** of himself. That would significantly lessen the chances of being called a ******* moron. Life is about the choices we make.

Hounding you? Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were a victim. My bad. Way to justify your bad behavior there.

 

[IndySteel]

Hounding you? Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were a victim. My bad. Way to justify your bad behavior there.

It's not surprising once you remember that you're talking to the board's biggest hypocrite.

 

[Spike]

Music is verboten in the neo-fascist socialist world



University Of Maryland Will No Longer Play ‘Maryland, My Maryland’ At Events

The University of Maryland’s marching band will no longer play “Maryland, My Maryland,” the official state song of Maryland, at school sporting events because of its ties to the Confederacy.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/08/28/umd-maryland-my-maryland/

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Music is verboten in the neo-fascist socialist world

White people's music is racist and we can't listen to black people's music because that would be cultural appropriation.

"And you best not touch my James Brown."

 

[Superman]

Condemn and then defend. Where have we seen this before?

through a wide variety of Tibs' posts?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Yes that is why I've condemned AntiFa multiple times on the board, and will continue to do so if they partake in violence.

It's these subtle nuances that expose the double standards by which you operate.

All KKK and White Supremacists are evil. The problem - you and the Left lump everyone into this bucket, undeservedly.

Case in point. San Franciso this past week and the Patriot Prayer group. I looked up and read numerous (more than a half dozen) articles about their event and the counter protests. Every single publication I read listed the Patriot Prayer Group as an Alt Right and/or White Supremacist organization.

Patriot Prayer is an American Right Wing conservative advocacy group whose stated aim is to support free speech and the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. The group is known for provocatively organizing rallies and protests in predominately liberal areas. Some of the rallies have drawn controversy due to the attendance of white nationalists, though the group's founder Joey Gibson has disavowed them and denounced racism. The Southern Poverty Law Center does not list Patriot Prayer as a hate group, nor does it regard Gibson as an extremist

Without care...no, by design...the MSM is now lumping ANY conservative organization into this bucket. Without thought or research, a Conservative organization is now by default "Alt Right" and has White Supremacist ties.

You do this. The MSM does this. Without thought and in an instant something labeled Conservative is now synonymous with Alt Right and the KKK. You universally condemn these organizations without care, dismissing counter evidence.

Yet in reverse...you will denounce AntiFA IF they partake in violence.

Let's have a race. Let's go and see who can come back with the most videos of AntiFA or the Patriot Prayer Group engaging in violence....

AntiFA wins...by...a LANDSLIDE....

They operate BY violence. Violence is their tool. One state has already listed them AS terrorists. A movement is underway to have them named terrorists nationwide.

But you will continue to denounce them IF they engage in violence.

How very brave and objective of you Tibs.

 

[IndySteel]

So now instead of "Trump & Russia!" the libtard lefties are screaming "That's Racist!" at everything. They are even attacking our National Anthem.

http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2017/08/29/salon-national-anthem-neo-confederate-despite-authorship-50-years-civil-war/

Unbelievable. The left is insane. Surely Hurricane Harvey is racist too, somehow.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

The political right along with their shills at FoxNews and Breitbart are using this as a tactic to drum up their base. The thing is they are framing everyone that disagrees with them politically as violent AntiFa/ BLM anarchists. And the rightists like Spike, Indy, Tim, DBS1970 are perfectly fine with it because they tell themselves they are morally justified because they "care" about people. They will keep escalating until they get shut down or open Balkan style civil war breaks out.

Like others have pointed out TIbs isn't that EXACTLY what the left is doing as well? I hate calling you hypocrite but that is what you are being on this.

 

[Steelr4evr]

It's these subtle nuances that expose the double standards by which you operate.

All KKK and White Supremacists are evil. The problem - you and the Left lump everyone into this bucket, undeservedly.

Case in point. San Franciso this past week and the Patriot Prayer group. I looked up and read numerous (more than a half dozen) articles about their event and the counter protests. Every single publication I read listed the Patriot Prayer Group as an Alt Right and/or White Supremacist organization.



Without care...no, by design...the MSM is now lumping ANY conservative organization into this bucket. Without thought or research, a Conservative organization is now by default "Alt Right" and has White Supremacist ties.

You do this. The MSM does this. Without thought and in an instant something labeled Conservative is now synonymous with Alt Right and the KKK. You universally condemn these organizations without care, dismissing counter evidence.

Yet in reverse...you will denounce AntiFA IF they partake in violence.

Let's have a race. Let's go and see who can come back with the most videos of AntiFA or the Patriot Prayer Group engaging in violence....

AntiFA wins...by...a LANDSLIDE....

They operate BY violence. Violence is their tool. One state has already listed them AS terrorists. A movement is underway to have them named terrorists nationwide.

But you will continue to denounce them IF they engage in violence.

How very brave and objective of you Tibs.

Antiiqueef is anti USA. That is the bottom line with them. How these ***** are able to operate is beyond me. That crap they're doing isn't protest. Not by a long shot.

The whole narrative of attacking conservatives with the same b.s. they've used for 50 years is nothing new. The media being all in promoting this **** is. Just wait until election time. If these groups are not put down by then it's going to get really bloody . They're going to get something they couldn't possibly prepare for. All of the black masks in the world won't help them.

 

[fedderone]

Reading this board do you get the sense Trump supporters and the Alt Right 'completely abhor' the Far Right nationalist movement? Maybe I didn't get the memo. The focus seems to be on those protesting against the Klan and Nazis. Reading this board, it's clear as day the leftists are the bad guys here, although peaceful protestors (see 40,000 in Boston) far outnumber the radical, violent few.

That's my apparent reasoning.

I really don't want to go back and forth with this.
You're unfairly lumping in people who like the letter R behind their name, and/or classify themselves as conservatives, and/or right leaning, or whatever other moniker you want to tag to those with an opposite political view than yours with Nazi's and alt right and Klansman and every other extreme bigoted niche group.
It'd be the equivalent of saying all people with Ds behind their name or believe in socialized healthcare or liberal beliefs should be lumped in with Antifa and other liberal organized Berkeley groups that prevent conservative leaning people from speaking on their campuses. Even gay ones, which liberal democrats should really be supporting.
I'm not casting aspersions or throwing stones at any one person on this board, or any particular grouping of people.
We need to LISTEN to one another, and not shout them down when they're speaking.
We need to stop buying into the us against them mentality.
We need to have debate and conversation.
It's why I love this board.
So many views, so many opinions, so many different outlooks on society.
Kumbya, Steelernation.
Let's have some good debates. Let's point out things others may not know is out there.
But don't just lump groups of people together with other groups of people out of laziness or drawing lines in the sand or any other uneducated reason.

 

[IndySteel]

The main goal of Tibs idols, antifa, is globalism and the destruction of America. Their chant is "No Trump! No Wall! No USA at all!" Time to start cracking their skulls.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/20308/antifa-gone-wild-no-trump-no-wall-no-usa-all-hank-berrien