You obviously know jack **** about football.
The disconnect between the OC and the QB
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Might want to lear a little about the game before you spew your stupidity.Mediocre QBs around the league have been outscoring Ben for years.
Last 20+ years of Superbowl winning QBs:
Aikman x 3
Steve Young
Brett Favre
John Elway x 2
Kurt Warner
Trent Dilfer
Tom Brady x 3
Brad Johnson
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning x 2
Dree Brees
Ben Roethlisberger x 2
Aaron Rodgers
Joe Flacco
Russell Wilson
2 Medicore QB's (Dilfer and Johnson) in the whole bunch. Your right you dont need a franchise QB. Hows your logic look now idiot. Thanks for playing. Crawl back in your idiot hole.
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The franchise QB that has won 2 Super Bowls had the lowest QB rating of any Super Bowl winner against Seattle and was outscored offensively by the Cards, no great defense and Ben is just not worth a hsit, see the last 3 seasons. Again he can't score oints and journey,em around the league outscore him all the time.
2012 3200 yds, 26TDs and 8 INTS
2013 4200 yds, 28TDs and 10 INTS
Ben seems to be pulling his weight.....now the rest of the team, besides AB. Nope. Piss poor coaching and poor drafts is why this team is average at best. The QB isn't our problem.
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In his entire career Ben has been mediocre in scoring points all your excuses aside.
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And this is why Bradshaw took so long to come back to Pittsburgh.
It's so easy to find a QB today, Minnesota, Tennessee, Miami, Houston, Oakland, NYJ, Cleveland, Washington, Buffalo, Tampa Bay...they are just ushering these QB's right into the league for great success. How many QB's have the Browns started since they came back into the league? How many have they drafted in the first round? Minnesota has drafted two in the last three years. Spare me the "it's easier to find QB's now" crap. It's no easier now than it was before. For every Russell Wilson, there's five Jake Lockers.
Tell me again how it was that we ran 15 times in the first quarter, but didn't attempt one play action pass? Tell me again how having your QB hand the ball off TWENTY ONE TIMES and passing NINE times before the 2 min warning of the first half allows him to get into ANY type of rhythm at all. And one of those passes, doesn't count as an attempt as we got the pass interference call out of it. I'm all for getting the running game going, but you need to be a balanced offense to be effective. I haven't seen the same offensive team twice this year from the Steelers. Every week it's something completely different. We barely see the no huddle being run, what worked SO great against Cleveland the first time is how our offense should be ALL the time.
We got the ball into our playmakers hands in space, we ran the ball effectively, but didn't over do it. We passed the ball with quick hitters, play action, screens, etc. We had them on their heals, not know what we were going to do. Since then we have become pretty predictable. All you have to do is watch the first series. After that, we are going to stick to that plan, and not waver from it at all. Even down by 21 points, Haley is calling dumb running plays straight up the gut. No creativity at all. We barely moved Brown around, he was almost exclusively out wide. The whole gameplan sucked from the get go, but we stuck with it.
So yeah, blame Ben...SMH
It's so easy to find a QB today, Minnesota, Tennessee, Miami, Houston, Oakland, NYJ, Cleveland, Washington, Buffalo, Tampa Bay...they are just ushering these QB's right into the league for great success. How many QB's have the Browns started since they came back into the league? How many have they drafted in the first round? Minnesota has drafted two in the last three years. Spare me the "it's easier to find QB's now" crap. It's no easier now than it was before. For every Russell Wilson, there's five Jake Lockers.
Tell me again how it was that we ran 15 times in the first quarter, but didn't attempt one play action pass? Tell me again how having your QB hand the ball off TWENTY ONE TIMES and passing NINE times before the 2 min warning of the first half allows him to get into ANY type of rhythm at all. And one of those passes, doesn't count as an attempt as we got the pass interference call out of it. I'm all for getting the running game going, but you need to be a balanced offense to be effective. I haven't seen the same offensive team twice this year from the Steelers. Every week it's something completely different. We barely see the no huddle being run, what worked SO great against Cleveland the first time is how our offense should be ALL the time.
We got the ball into our playmakers hands in space, we ran the ball effectively, but didn't over do it. We passed the ball with quick hitters, play action, screens, etc. We had them on their heals, not know what we were going to do. Since then we have become pretty predictable. All you have to do is watch the first series. After that, we are going to stick to that plan, and not waver from it at all. Even down by 21 points, Haley is calling dumb running plays straight up the gut. No creativity at all. We barely moved Brown around, he was almost exclusively out wide. The whole gameplan sucked from the get go, but we stuck with it.
So yeah, blame Ben...SMH
If mediocre gets you to 3 superbowls in 11 years I'll take it.....
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Roethlisberger has his flaws, but he's still a very good QB. I think this sentiment that he's easily replaceable is delusional, but that's beside the point I want to make.
I've always felt that Roethlisberger needs help from the running game for the team to maximize point production. They have finally established a running game that opposing teams have to respect, but the coaches seem utterly incapable of effectively integrating the pieces.
The objective should be prudently implemented balance where the running and passing complement each other by setting the other up with opportunities. There is absolutely no semblance of that with the Steelers.
In today's NFL, anyone who calls run on 22 of his team's first 28 plays is ******* MENTALLY ILL. Much of the blame falls on Haley, but Tomlin is equally responsible for signing off on that repugnant **** smear of a gameplan.
I've always felt that Roethlisberger needs help from the running game for the team to maximize point production. They have finally established a running game that opposing teams have to respect, but the coaches seem utterly incapable of effectively integrating the pieces.
The objective should be prudently implemented balance where the running and passing complement each other by setting the other up with opportunities. There is absolutely no semblance of that with the Steelers.
In today's NFL, anyone who calls run on 22 of his team's first 28 plays is ******* MENTALLY ILL. Much of the blame falls on Haley, but Tomlin is equally responsible for signing off on that repugnant **** smear of a gameplan.
Regardless of what you think of Ben's play. You can literally see the disconnect between him and Haley on Ben's face. The offense played the way it should for a total of 6 games at the end of last season and it was widely accepted that Ben at least had greater control at that time. Batch ' s comments today confirm that he won't give control to Ben because he will look bad. So he is is tanking the season so he doesn't look bad. Fire him now and give it a go. How can it possibly be worse. How?
And you have to believe that Charlie and Ben have talked about this at some time. Ben can't or won't call out Haley as he'd look like the petulant child that the PR machine made him out to be when Haley was first hired. And the media would have a field day with that. However, Charlie is saying all the things you'd imagine Ben would want to. Hell, Haley stands on the sideline with this ******* smug look on his face while the offense runs on 22 of the first 28 plays in the game and fails to score anything but a FG.
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JJ_Steel, you've made your point about Ben.
But now what can the Steelers do about it?
If it were up to you, if you were Owner/GM/Coach what would your plan be?
If obviously it's not working with Ben, and we basically know he'll never change, how would you fix it?
If this is the "Old Favre" era now of Ben's career what would you suggest the Steelers do to avoid suffering the same fate the Packers did?
People have been complaining for "5 years", OK great but there is never a suggestion for improvement, just the same old complaints.
But now what can the Steelers do about it?
If it were up to you, if you were Owner/GM/Coach what would your plan be?
If obviously it's not working with Ben, and we basically know he'll never change, how would you fix it?
If this is the "Old Favre" era now of Ben's career what would you suggest the Steelers do to avoid suffering the same fate the Packers did?
People have been complaining for "5 years", OK great but there is never a suggestion for improvement, just the same old complaints.
It's as simple as a hypothetical question. If Belichik thought McDaniels was doing an adequate job but Brady couldn't buy into his play calling how long would he be employed? Would he hold the job for three years?
Your question assumes that Tomlin/Colbert/Rooney have as much respect for Ben as the Patriots do for Brady when all the evidence says they don't.
The offense looks no different than it did when BA was here, a lot of bubble screens and no flow to the play calling, it all starts and ends with the cool guy wearing the shades every week
Well they plan to make him one of the richest QBs in the league. They've said it publicly. So Tomlin Colbert and Rooney are choosing an OC who has literally won nothing over the statistical leading QB in franchise history who has been on the QB of three aft title winning two time super bowl winning QB. Makes sense to me.
There were down seasons with Cower. That is unquestionable. But they were usually a lack of QB play at the heart of them. I don't ever remember a defense being this Piss poor. Receivers sure. Under used TE. Most definitely. This is worse than it ever was under Cower. If a coach sucked he was fired immediately. This team is so soft and undisciplined.
Well, they let Kordell interview OC replacements.
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Seemed to be a disconnect between Ben and his receivers yesterday, with the possible exception of A. Brown. Even with Antonio, Ben throws one in the dirt and is looking at Brown with his arms spread wide like "WTF, dude?" If the WR's and Ben are not in sync, it is up to Ben and his leadership to get that fixed.
One series we are marching down the field, get to a second and one, then try what seems to be two longer pass plays (which is different than what marched us down the field) and Ben gets sacked twice putting us out of FG range. Were we in the no-huddle at that point? Whether it was Haley or Ben that changed what was working on that drive. Ben has been in the league long enough that he should know that if a play Haley called isn't going to work against the defense he sees, he should change it. I doubt either Tomlin or Haley has forbidden him from doing so. Even if they did, he should change it anyway.
Ben has the running game he needs to make the offense a threat. The pass blocking isn't good enough for long developing pass plays. That shouldn't be a problem because when they have tried moving the ball on short passes, it has, mostly, worked.
One series we are marching down the field, get to a second and one, then try what seems to be two longer pass plays (which is different than what marched us down the field) and Ben gets sacked twice putting us out of FG range. Were we in the no-huddle at that point? Whether it was Haley or Ben that changed what was working on that drive. Ben has been in the league long enough that he should know that if a play Haley called isn't going to work against the defense he sees, he should change it. I doubt either Tomlin or Haley has forbidden him from doing so. Even if they did, he should change it anyway.
Ben has the running game he needs to make the offense a threat. The pass blocking isn't good enough for long developing pass plays. That shouldn't be a problem because when they have tried moving the ball on short passes, it has, mostly, worked.
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Based upon Yards, we have the #2 RB in the NFL, #2 WR in the NFL, the #7 QB.
Julius Thomas, by himself, has more receiving TD's than the Steelers. There are four RB's with more rushing TD's than the Steelers.
If our offense doesn't **** the bed on scoring, it allows our defensive weaknesses to be shielded, somewhat. In the end, it doesn't matter that our defense got run all over yesterday, the offense didn't score more than 10 points.
Julius Thomas, by himself, has more receiving TD's than the Steelers. There are four RB's with more rushing TD's than the Steelers.
If our offense doesn't **** the bed on scoring, it allows our defensive weaknesses to be shielded, somewhat. In the end, it doesn't matter that our defense got run all over yesterday, the offense didn't score more than 10 points.
The Steelers won when Arians was here mainly because of our D. Our D has been going down hill for several years now and it just so happens to coincide with when Haley arrived.
With that said, I still say Haley and yes, LeBeau have to go and possibly even right now. I am never one to over react and I like the stability the Steelers have always had. However, Haley, LeBeau and Tomlin must be on the hot seat right now.. We are the worst team in our division and showing no signs of getting better. Put McCullers in. Try something, anything. Look at what has worked and use it until it doesn't. Why reinvent the damn wheel every week. Drastic times call for drastic measures and I think we are there. Someone needs to go and they need to go right now even though it is during the season.
With that said, I still say Haley and yes, LeBeau have to go and possibly even right now. I am never one to over react and I like the stability the Steelers have always had. However, Haley, LeBeau and Tomlin must be on the hot seat right now.. We are the worst team in our division and showing no signs of getting better. Put McCullers in. Try something, anything. Look at what has worked and use it until it doesn't. Why reinvent the damn wheel every week. Drastic times call for drastic measures and I think we are there. Someone needs to go and they need to go right now even though it is during the season.
You could make Munch HC since he has experience, Fichtner OC, and Butler DC. Might help a little but you still don't have any talent on defense and 3/5 of the OL.
Josh Miller just saying now on The Fan that he's never seen a team where you could make an argument that the top four positions all have to go. GM, HC, OC, DC.
Josh Miller just saying now on The Fan that he's never seen a team where you could make an argument that the top four positions all have to go. GM, HC, OC, DC.
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