The Epstein Problem

[xjx]

Senator Menendez likely got a piece of that action.

 

[Steelworth]

These people are ******* sick.

I mean to outright call the transportation "The Lolita Express", what the **** is wrong with these animals?

 

[oneforthebus]

It wouldn't shock me if Trump was implicated in this, however unlike Clinton who flew on his private jet 26 times, I've seen no reporting of any records of Trump traveling with Epstein or spending much time with him. You wouldn't know that from much of the mainstream media headlines though.

Anyone who's done this belongs in prison.

 

[IndySteel]

It wouldn't shock me if Trump was implicated in this .

Not a chance. Trump gave Epstein a lifetime ban from Mar A Lago for being a pedo.

 

[oneforthebus]

Not a chance. Trump gave Epstein a lifetime ban from Mar A Lago for being a pedo.

I don't think Trump is a pedo, nor do I think Clinton is by the way just based on both of their histories, but would they engage with prostitutes? Maybe some who they didn't exactly know were underage? Wouldn't shock me one bit.

Let's face it though, if there was anything even approaching concrete on Trump it would probably be out by now. He doesn't enjoy the same media blind eye to his bad behavior that Clinton does.

 

[deljzc]

I suspect Trump knew enough about media and publicity to stay away from the "Lolita Express". Plus, let's face it, Trump had plenty of toys to play with of his own and he knew enough to make sure they were over 18 first.

However, there are likely many powerful people that didn't and partook in the gluttony and lust of it all. It wouldn't shock me, given the number of times Clinton is documented on the plane, that he "partook" when given a chance. The fact he left his Secret Service detail at home tells me a lot.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I'm guessing lots of Hollywood people will be implicated. It's an open secret that Hollywood is full of people who go for underage girls and boys.

 

[Spike]

BOOM!


Clinton Presidential Library is refusing to hand over information on Bill Clinton's ties to Jeffrey Epstein



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Lawyer For Epstein Victim Says Trump Was “Only” High Powered Person Who Helped Him

The lawyer for one of the victims of Jeffrey Epstein said President Trump was the “only” high powered person to help him with his investigation, contradicting claims by some that Trump is implicated in Epstein’s crimes.

Florida attorney Bradley Edwards, who represented one of Epstein’s accusers, said that Trump was the only important person to go out of his way to help Edwards with his investigation back in 2009.

“The only thing that I can say about President Trump is that he is the only person who, in 2009 when I served a lot of subpoenas on a lot of people, or at least gave notice to some pretty connected people, that I want to talk to them, is the only person who picked up the phone and said, let’s just talk,” said Edwards.

https://summit.news/2019/07/08/lawy...-was-only-high-powered-person-who-helped-him/

 

[Vincent]

Trump among others may also be in trouble.


"His circle of friends and acquaintances*included many high-profile figures, including Mr. Trump, former President Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew of Britain and Leslie Wexner, a business mogul who owns Victoria’s Secret and other retail brands.

Mr. Clinton*flew on Mr. Epstein’s private plane dozens of times, according to flight records, and Prince Andrew has*attended parties with Mr. Epstein.

Mr. Trump*told New York magazine in 2002*that Mr. Epstein was a “terrific guy” whom he had known for 15 years.

“He’s a lot of fun to be with,” the president said at the time. “It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/07/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-trump.html

Trump isn't implicated in any of this. Quite the opposite...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-07/trump-was-only-one-help-prosecutor-2009-epstein-case

And what about Trump?

Following a 2018 financial settlement between Florida attorney Bradley Edwards - who represented one of Epstein's accusers, only to be later sued by Epstein, Edwards claimed that Donald Trump was the 'only person' who provided assistance when Edwards served subpoenas and notices to high-profile individuals connected to Epstein.

Edwards: "The only thing that I can say about President Trump is that he is the only person who, in 2009 when I served a lot of subpoenas on a lot of people, or at least gave notice to some pretty connected people, that I want to talk to them, is the only person who picked up the phone and said, let’s just talk. I’ll give you as much time as you want. I’ll tell you what you need to know, and was very helpful, in the information that he gave, and gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever, but had good information. That checked out and that helped us and we didn’t have to take a deposition of him in 2009."

Watch @5:30...



Jeffy the child molester also enjoys a lifetime ban from all Trump properties.

With regard to things Trump may have said about Jeffy the child molester in the early 00s, think realistically. Did anybody at that time (besides victims and their families) know that Jeffy the child molester was Jeffy the child molester? And if a shill sticks a mike in a NY billionaire's face and asks him what he thinks about a fellow NY billionaire, what is the former going to say other than 'Great guy. Great fun at parties'?

 

[CharlesDavenport]

I don't think Trump is a pedo, nor do I think Clinton is by the way just based on both of their histories,

So rape, diddling a 22 yr. old intern with a cigar, and traveling multiple times on the Lolita express with a know pedophile is a history that gives you serious doubt that Clinton is a pedo. Would you have to see him on a date with a fifth grader or something?

 

[oneforthebus]

So rape, diddling a 22 yr. old intern with a cigar, and traveling multiple times on the Lolita express with a know pedophile is a history that gives you serious doubt that Clinton is a pedo. Would you have to see him on a date with a fifth grader or something?

A 22 year old is not a child. And I'm not saying he's a good guy, just that I've seen no evidence he's a pedo.

I'm not defending Clinton, nor do I share your Trump blinders. I have no doubt they are both absolute pigs with women, to what degree we don't really know, depends on who you believe. And I have no doubt that Clinton probably screwed his brains out when hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein, whether he shares Epstein's tastes for little girls over adults, that I wouldn't say without seeing any evidence of it.

 

[jitter77]

I hope trump is totally innocent, but if that's the case Acosta should be out. Its also a bit concerning that Trump walked into Miss Teen America dressing rooms. Contestants have claimed this along with Trump himself who said he was "allowed" on howard stern. Some of those girls were as young as 15.

 

[deljzc]

Pedophilia, the truly sick psychological disorder, is actually being attracted (sexually) to prepubescent children. There are deviant sexual perverts where the minute a child hits puberty, they are no longer sexually attracted to them. This is a clinical diagnosis.

Obviously, the "LEGAL" pedophilia charge now includes post-pubescent and teenagers as our society has evolved to realize relationships with this age group, while physically possible (14-15 year old girls are biological capable of breeding and are designed to sexually attract mates), is not ideal nor mentally healthy. Particularly between young and old. And that's a good thing.

Even 100 years ago the idea of marriage to a 15 year old was widely accepted. And there are many cultures around the world that think nothing of arranged marriages with 15 year old females. This implies they don't really think much of sex by teenagers.

So I'm kind of sketchy about using the "Pedophilia" label in this case. My opinion is this is very deviant and sexual exploitation. Epstein is the monster who purposely created the sex-ring of teenagers, often through forced servitude and forced prostitution. That in itself is sick and highly criminal no matter using 15 year old girls or 20 year old women or 30 year old "professionals".

As for the people that used the service, they are certainly criminal. But for many, they likely considered it a service paid for and a quid pro quo. It's hard to know how much they knew about the ugly side of what Epstein was doing. or if they knew how "young" was "young". We don't even know the facts yet.

It's certainly a progressive stance these days to say prostitution should be legal, but Epstein proves that there is often an ugly, ugly side of control and use and exploitation and disgusting abuse that goes along with it.

I feel terrible for the girls sucked into this world. It's gross. But we all know it's labeled the "first profession" for a reason.

 

[Vincent]

Pedophilia, the truly sick psychological disorder, is actually being attracted (sexually) to prepubescent children. There are deviant sexual perverts where the minute a child hits puberty, they are no longer sexually attracted to them. This is a clinical diagnosis.

Obviously, the "LEGAL" pedophilia charge now includes post-pubescent and teenagers as our society has evolved to realize relationships with this age group, while physically possible (14-15 year old girls are biological capable of breeding and are designed to sexually attract mates), is not ideal nor mentally healthy. Particularly between young and old. And that's a good thing.

Even 100 years ago the idea of marriage to a 15 year old was widely accepted. And there are many cultures around the world that think nothing of arranged marriages with 15 year old females. This implies they don't really think much of sex by teenagers.

So I'm kind of sketchy about using the "Pedophilia" label in this case. My opinion is this is very deviant and sexual exploitation. Epstein is the monster who purposely created the sex-ring of teenagers, often through forced servitude and forced prostitution. That in itself is sick and highly criminal no matter using 15 year old girls or 20 year old women or 30 year old "professionals".

As for the people that used the service, they are certainly criminal. But for many, they likely considered it a service paid for and a quid pro quo. It's hard to know how much they knew about the ugly side of what Epstein was doing. or if they knew how "young" was "young". We don't even know the facts yet.

It's certainly a progressive stance these days to say prostitution should be legal, but Epstein proves that there is often an ugly, ugly side of control and use and exploitation and disgusting abuse that goes along with it.

I feel terrible for the girls sucked into this world. It's gross. But we all know it's labeled the "first profession" for a reason.

While the sane are looking at this as the roasting of a pedo and his 'associates', don't think that the left isn't huddled around the notion of 'historic norms' being cover for these perverts. They decriminalized sodomy. They're working on pedophilia as we speak. The federalies have Jeffy the child molester dead to rights. He's toast. But the left could do as they always do - 'open another front'. This could be their case to drive home (no pun) their pedo agenda. Visualize them turning Jeffy the child molester and his associates into 'the victims'. With the clinton's are involved, it isn't a stretch. That's their MO.

Personally, I don't think Mom & Pop Front Porch are ready for anybody being exonerated in something like this. And any of this stink on the clintons might serve to further move public opinion against them as charges in 'other areas' emerge. But I don't see Midnight going to the pokey over 27 rides on the Lolita Express, however disgusting that is.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

A 22 year old is not a child. And I'm not saying he's a good guy, just that I've seen no evidence he's a pedo.

I'm not defending Clinton, nor do I share your Trump blinders. I have no doubt they are both absolute pigs with women, to what degree we don't really know, depends on who you believe. And I have no doubt that Clinton probably screwed his brains out when hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein, whether he shares Epstein's tastes for little girls over adults, that I wouldn't say without seeing any evidence of it.

Trump blinders? You cannot seriously compare Clinton's relationship with Epstein with Trump's. Trump banned him from his properties when he got wind of the Epstein's proclivities. Clinton flew around the world over 20 times on the Lolita Express. Talk about blinders.

 

[oneforthebus]

Trump blinders? You cannot seriously compare Clinton's relationship with Epstein with Trump's. Trump banned him from his properties when he got wind of the Epstein's proclivities. Clinton flew around the world over 20 times on the Lolita Express. Talk about blinders.

Where did I say Trump's relationship with Epstein is the same as Clinton's? You seem to love nothing more than arguing with me about things I didn't say.

Here's a quote from one of my posts:

It wouldn't shock me if Trump was implicated in this, however unlike Clinton who flew on his private jet 26 times, I've seen no reporting of any records of Trump traveling with Epstein or spending much time with him. You wouldn't know that from much of the mainstream media headlines though.

Does that mean I think it's inconceivable that Trump ever misbehaved while spending time with Epstein, whether legally or just morally? No I do not. This is a guy who ****** a porn star he just met while his wife was home with their newborn baby. Let's not pretend he's some upstanding Christian guy.

 

[SojournerSteel]

He'll commit suicide with two bullets to the back of his head.

Arkancide?

 

[Superman]

while it's a stretch to believe that ******* Billy Blythe (thanks, Ogre) would be innocent in all this, we can't immediately throw his sorry *** into the fire either. Just as was previously said, Bill may not have known about all this. It is entirely possible that Bill was naive to all of it, thinking that HE was using Epstein for some get-away from Hildog. I'd be shocked if BBB wasn't dabbling in some ****** and hookers while there, given his past of sticking his dick in everything other than an electrical socket. But until evidence is proven that he did engage in any sexual activity, it's best for all of us to hope he did not...which is another stretch of the imagination.

I'd rather not be a citizen in a country where a 2-term POTUS was ******* little kids after his time was up.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Even 100 years ago the idea of marriage to a 15 year old was widely accepted. And there are many cultures around the world that think nothing of arranged marriages with 15 year old females. This implies they don't really think much of sex by teenagers.

Quit being Islamophobic.

I'd rather not be a citizen in a country where a 2-term POTUS was ******* little kids after his time was up.

You too.

 

[Steelworth]

I'd rather not be a citizen in a country where a 2-term POTUS was ******* little kids after his time was up.

Very true, and I see lots of people (myself included) throwing Bill under the bus already. Everybody has the right to due process and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

I do hope in my heart that he didn't do anything sickening, and will be relieved if that turns out to be true.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Clinton will get out of this by using the Deflategate defense. Epstein is the deflator. Bill is Tom Brady who just said he preferred the ball as low as is legal. He had no idea it was under the limit.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Clinton will get out of this by using the Deflategate defense. Epstein is the deflator. Bill is Tom Brady who just said he preferred the ball as low as is legal. He had no idea it was under the limit.

The Rob Lowe defense. In fairness, Rob Lowe did pick her up in a bar where one could reasonably assume that everyone was at least 21. At the Democrat Convention. Where Bill Clinton was nominated.

I do hope in my heart that he didn't do anything sickening, and will be relieved if that turns out to be true.

You're funny. This is the guy who slid a cigar up inside Monica Lewinsky, pulled it out, put it in his mouth, and said, "Mmm, tastes good".

 

[Spike]

Lock them up!

Billionaire sex offender Epstein claimed he co-founded Clinton Foundation

"Mr. Epstein was part of the original group that conceived the Clinton Global Initiative, which is described as a project 'bringing together a community of global leaders to devise and implement innovative solutions to some of the world’s most pressing challenges,” read the July 2007 letter to the U.S. Attorney’s office in the Southern District of Florida. “Focuses of this initiative include poverty, climate change, global health, and religious and ethnic conflicts.”

Epstein also has supported the Clinton Foundation financially, but that was not made public until two years ago when a whistle-blower released the names of the super-rich, including Epstein, who held Swiss accounts at the HSBC bank.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/billiona...once-claimed-he-co-founded-clinton-foundation

 

[Spike]

Bill Clinton claims he 'knows nothing' about Jeffrey Epstein's alleged child sex crimes

"President Clinton knows nothing about the terrible crimes Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty to in Florida some years ago, or those with which he has been recently charged in New York," the statement read. "In 2002 and 2003, President Clinton took a total of four trips on Jeffrey Epstein's airplane: One to Europe, one to Asia, and two to Africa, which included stops in connection with the work of the Clinton Foundation. Staff, supporters of the Foundation, and his Secret Service detail traveled on every leg of every trip.

Fox News reported in 2016 that Clinton went on at least 26 trips aboard Epstein's "Lolita Express," according to Federal Aviation Administration records.

With the five-leg Asia trip between May 22 and May 25, 2002, no Secret Service agent was listed as having traveled with Clinton

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...out-jeffrey-epsteins-alleged-child-sex-crimes

 

[Spike]

‘Sex slave’ claims Bill Clinton visited Epstein’s ‘orgy island’

Former President Bill Clinton took a romantic jaunt in 2002 to convicted pedophile pal Jeffrey Epstein’s “orgy island” with “two young girls” from New York, according to a shocking new interview.

Virginia Roberts, who’s accused Epstein of turning her into a “sex slave” at age 17 and forcing her to sleep with his powerful friends, claimed Clinton stayed in one of the many villas on Epstein’s US Virgin Islands estate — where group sex was a “regular occurrence.”

“I remember asking Jeffrey, ‘What’s Bill Clinton doing here?’ kind of thing, and he laughed it off and said, ‘Well, he owes me a favor,’ ” Roberts told her lawyers in a 2011 interview obtained by RadarOnline.com. “He never told me what favors they were.”

Bubba was accompanied by two of Epstein’s regular girlfriends and “two young girls that I could identify,” Roberts claimed.

“I never really knew them well anyways. It was just two girls from New York,” she said

“It was a lot of the same things that went down on the ground,” she claimed. “There would be sexual conduct; there would be foreplay. There was a bed in there, so we could basically re-enact exactly what happened in the house. It would start off with massaging or we would start off with foreplay. Sometimes it would lead to, you know, orgies."

https://pagesix.com/2015/01/24/sex-slave-claims-bill-clinton-visited-epsteins-orgy-island/

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