. The forecast calls for Stormy weather all week....Bwahahahahaha!

[Vader]

Worst part is Mueller and company KNEW they were innocent. They framed 4 innocent men to protect the informant that actually did the
Killing . Nothing short of shameful.

Exactly. Why the hell isn't Mueller in Jail. I know Tibs thinks he is some kind of hero but the guy is a ******* criminal.

 

[hamster]

Exactly. Why the hell isn't Mueller in Jail. I know Tibs thinks he is some kind of hero but the guy is a ******* criminal.

The guy was an honorable war vet once. Since then, he has become a swamp rat. How far he has fallen.

 

[Confluence]

Supe learned today that there is no mountain too high to climb to defend this lying, deceitful, treasonous President. That, people is being so committed to a single cause, a single man, that all sense of reason and common sense is swept aside.

"I did not have sex....with that woman"

Bill Clinton, probably refering, in his minds eye - to Hillary - when questioned under oath about what he did in the Oval Office with a young intern.

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[tapeANaspirin2it]

Boy this Michael Cohen situation has picked up steam again, I thought this too was all fake news casually tossed aside by Trump fanatics. So last night he released the first of some 12 conversations he secretly recorded w Spanky. This single tape already proves what we’ve known all along that Trump & Guiliani have been lying through their teeth about payments to McDougal the playmate Trump was committing adultry with.The secret payments to silence her, which he denied even knowing about is a clear violationof election laws. He needs to resign now. Of course, he can also wait for the other 11 tapes to be released and/or for a Mueller to release his findings. This is a sinking ship if there ever was one, curious to see when the GOP starts jumping off to save their own pathetic skins.

It's not fake news. It's irrelevant news. As in, i don't care how many chicks Trump banged or whether he paid them to be quiet about it. That seems to be pretty standard stuff with famous people.

The difference between Trump and Clinton is that Clinton used the weight of government to intimidate women or buy them off. He used state police as pimps.

And even with all that, i didn't think a formal investigation was needed over gettin some strange.

They actually did have a smoking gun in form of the stained dress and it resulted in a slap on the wrist.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

The difference between Trump and Clinton is that Clinton used the weight of government to intimidate women or buy them off. He used state police as pimps.

And Clinton raped at least two of them, Sally Perdue and Juanita Broaddrick.

 

[SteelChip]

The guy was an honorable war vet once. Since then, he has become a swamp rat. How far he has fallen.

 

[Sarge]

Exactly. Why the hell isn't Mueller in Jail. I know Tibs thinks he is some kind of hero but the guy is a ******* criminal.

At the very least, he should have been fired. Nothing "honorable" in what he did to those guys.

 

[Superman]

I’m sure America will sleep better once Cohen is disbarred.

You think Trump found Jesus between the time he was a Democrat and running for President?

I don't give a damn if he found Allah being butt ****** by a couple of monks on vacation in Dubai.
Nor do I care about any scandals that happened prior to your President, Donald J. Trump, being inaugurated.

 

[Tibs]

Perhaps this is why Trump has been acting like a deranged meth addict past few weeks?

Trump Organization Finance Chief Called to Testify Before Federal Grand Jury
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-...-testify-before-federal-grand-jury-1532622947

Allen Weisselberg, a longtime financial gatekeeper for President Donald Trump, has been subpoenaed to testify before a federal grand jury in the criminal probe of Mr. Trump’s former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, according to people familiar with the investigation.

Mr. Weisselberg is considered a witness in the investigation, the people said. It isn’t known whether he has already appeared before the grand jury or what questions prosecutors of New York’s Southern District have had for him. The date of the subpoena couldn’t be determined.

For decades, Mr. Weisselberg has served as executive vice president and chief financial officer at the Trump Organization, and was once described by a person close to the company as “the most senior person in the organization that’s not a Trump.” After Mr. Trump was elected, he handed control of his financial assets and business interests to his two adult sons and Mr. Weisselberg.

A spokeswoman for the Manhattan U.S. attorney’s office declined to comment. Mr. Weisselberg and a spokeswoman for the Trump Organization didn’t respond to requests for comment.

The subpoena illustrates that investigators are seeking input from Mr. Trump’s closest colleagues in the Trump Organization, particularly those with knowledge of the company’s financial dealings.

 

[Superman]

Perhaps this is why Trump has been acting like a deranged meth addict past few weeks?

Trump Organization Finance Chief Called to Testify Before Federal Grand Jury
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-...-testify-before-federal-grand-jury-1532622947

and you clearly cannot see the bullshit going on?

 

[83fan]

Perhaps this is why Trump has been acting like a deranged meth addict past few weeks?

Trump Organization Finance Chief Called to Testify Before Federal Grand Jury
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-...-testify-before-federal-grand-jury-1532622947

LOL Tibs, JUST the past few weeks? Being a little kind there, aren't you?

 

[Tibs]

and you clearly cannot see the bullshit going on?

The bullshit the tin-hat wearing Trump supporters and GOP enablers are slinging? Yeah, I can see that, why do you ask?

 

[Superman]

The bullshit the tin-hat wearing Trump supporters and GOP enablers are slinging? Yeah, I can see that, why do you ask?

try again, sparky.
after 23 pages, since you still havent grasped a morsel of knowledge in all this, it's highly unlikely you will for the next six years.

 

[Tibs]

try again, sparky. after 23 pages, since you still havent grasped a morsel of knowledge in all this, it's highly unlikely you will for the next six years.

Enlighten me what have we learned about the NY prosecutor's case against Cohen? Not much, since it's still ongoing, as is the Mueller investigation. So tell me 'sparky', what is it that you've concluded at this point, with all your wisdom and wealth of knowledge?

 

[SCSteeler4life]

He is still guilty of winning.

 

[hamster]

Enlighten me what have we learned about the NY prosecutor's case against Cohen? Not much, since it's still ongoing, as is the Mueller investigation. So tell me 'sparky', what is it that you've concluded at this point, with all your wisdom and wealth of knowledge?

I've learned that now it is okay to raid any lawyer's office, steal all client records, and that lawyer/client privilege has been destroyed. The Constitution is a guide to only be used when convenient,

 

[Tibs]

LOL, what Trump & Guiliani are trying to undertake right now is as cringe-worthy as can be. After standing up for and strongly defending Cohen - who was Trump's fixer and right hand man for many, many years - now, all of the sudden they need to try to throw him under the bus somehow. Good luck with that Glad that Cohen seems to be wanting to do the right thing, stand on side of the truth and side with the American people against this lying, conniving, deceitful president.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watch: Rudy Giuliani vs. Rudy Giuliani on Michael Cohen. <br><br>Yesterday: <br>“He has been lying for years.”<br><br>May 6, 2018: <br>"The man is an honest, honorable lawyer." <a href="https://t.co/6BpNs2o95h">pic.twitter.com/6BpNs2o95h</a></p>— The Reagan Battalion (@ReaganBattalion) <a href="https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/1022828696858714113?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[83fan]

LOL, what Trump & Guiliani are trying to undertake right now is as cringe-worthy as can be. After standing up for and strongly defending Cohen - who was Trump's fixer and right hand man for many, many years - now, all of the sudden they need to try to throw him under the bus somehow. Good luck with that Glad that Cohen seems to be wanting to do the right thing, stand on side of the truth and side with the American people against this lying, conniving, deceitful president.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watch: Rudy Giuliani vs. Rudy Giuliani on Michael Cohen. <br><br>Yesterday: <br>“He has been lying for years.”<br><br>May 6, 2018: <br>"The man is an honest, honorable lawyer." <a href="https://t.co/6BpNs2o95h">pic.twitter.com/6BpNs2o95h</a></p>— The Reagan Battalion (@ReaganBattalion) <a href="https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/1022828696858714113?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Dear Lord, I watched that painful interview with Chris Cuomo last night. You can see the crazy in nut job Rudy's eyes. He should have been taken in a straight jacket and 302'd into a psych ward immediately after that interview, the man is certifiably crazy. The way he was talking about Cohen last night, being a pathological liar, I couldn't tell if he was talking about him or his current client, the lying con.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

Trump messed around with much better looking women than Clinton did.(either one).

 

[Superman]

Enlighten me what have we learned about the NY prosecutor's case against Cohen? Not much, since it's still ongoing, as is the Mueller investigation. So tell me 'sparky', what is it that you've concluded at this point, with all your wisdom and wealth of knowledge?

I'll let Steeltime respond to this, as he's an attorney.

 

[Steeltime]

Enlighten me what have we learned about the NY prosecutor's case against Cohen? Not much, since it's still ongoing, as is the Mueller investigation. So tell me 'sparky', what is it that you've concluded at this point, with all your wisdom and wealth of knowledge?

Rosenstein's appointment letter empowered Mueller to investigate any "links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...nt-Robert-Mueller-Special-Counsel-Russia.html

The independent counsel was not appointed to look into Trump's sexual history with porn stars in the 1980's and 1990's. Cohen has literally nothing to do with the Russians. NOTHING. The special counsel to date has not filed an indictment against any member of the Trump campaign, indeed or against any American, for "links and/or coordination with the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump."

The entire investigation has veered into an examination of Trump paying women he had sex with to remain silent (not a crime), and his financial dealings pre-dating any campaign (not what Mueller was assigned to do). Cohen's taping of Trump was highly unethical. Yes, I know, New York has "single-party consent" to recording conversations, but the American Bar Association, "whose standards are often models for state laws, wrote an opinion — published in 2001 — that said secret tape recordings of third parties were not ordinarily deceptive. However, the ABA ethics committee was divided on whether it violated legal ethics to secretly record a client. 'The general weighted opinion is that an attorney must have a justifiable reason, assuming he’s in a state that allows it,' said Green, adding that there’s rarely a good reason to record a client."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...make-him-a-bad-lawyer/?utm_term=.d58ae7207818

Further, the recorded conversation refers to a discussion about possibly paying the company that runs the National Enquirer to buy the Playboy model's life story, i.e., she was a Playboy model and had sex with Trump. However, that never even took place. Therefore, the lawyer secretly recorded a client's conversation, then released that recording without client permission (a patent violation of attorney-client privilege that is likely to get him suspended or disbarred), relative to a conversation about non-criminal activity that in fact never took place.

Finally, none of these events - literally none of them - required a special counsel. The FBI has investigated foreign interference with our elections for years, decades. That's what they do. The FBI and local police further investigate ... private relations? Payouts for sexual congress? Whatever the indiscretion is alleged to be.

So we have a special counsel investigating a lawyer, who secretly recorded a client and then released that tape, showing no crime was discussed and literally no action taken on the non-criminal activity, where all such activities have nothing - LITERALLY, NOT ONE THING - to do with the special counsel's assignment, and where to date the special counsel has indicted no American for any "links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump."

 

[Steeltime]

Glad that Cohen seems to be wanting to do the right thing, stand on side of the truth and side with the American people against this lying, conniving, deceitful president.

Cohen would not care if America burned to the ground, if he could lessen his jail time by one day. Cohen's activities are corrupt. If Trump were a lawyer, and secretly recorded a client conversation, and released that information without client permission - a violation of attorney-client privilege - where the conversation involved a non-crime that never took place, and it was obvious Trump was doing so to help himself, would you then call Trump a hero? Because that is what you are doing with Cohen.

Tibs, if you find yourself aligned with lawyers like Michael Avenatti and Michael Cohen, you need to seriously examine your position.

 

[Tibs]

"links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

1. Cohen is being investigated by the NY district attorney, not Mueller. The warrant to search his office, home etc was signed off by a Republican appointed district judge.

2. You have nothing - zero - to stand on in claiming anything about the Mueller investigation as far as Russian collusion, what they've found or not found, since it's a pending federal investigation.

3. You have no way of knowing what connection Cohen has, or doesn't have, to Mueller's Russian investigation. He was his 'fixer' and right hand man, intricately involved with everything Trump was doing. The fact the payments to the various mistresses have been caught up in this is happenstance. It's Mueller's sworn duty to report a crime if he sees a crime. These are not seperate cases, but all bits and pieces in the overall investigation. You can't really expect the FBI to ignore criminal behavior of any kind as they pursue their original mandate, or do you?

4. Everything we've seen thus far points very much to criminal wrongdoing on part of Trump and his campaign and Russia. The fact you choose to ignore this just points to how deep you are in the clutches of the Trump cult. You may be an attorney Steeltime, but you're a politically compromised attorney who's seeing things through narrow, skewered lenses.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We never spoke to Russians<br><br>Ok, we spoke to Russians but never talked about the election<br><br>Ok, we talked about the election but didn't collude<br><br>Ok, we colluded but collusion is not a crime<br><br>Ok, collusion may be criminal but the President can't be indicted</p>— Zac Petkanas (@Zac_Petkanas) <a href="https://twitter.com/Zac_Petkanas/status/1022913920170971138?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Tibs, if you find yourself aligned with lawyers like Michael Avenatti and Michael Cohen, you need to seriously examine your position.

Thanks for the advice buddy. I'll decide for myself who I trust and believe. Out of these two, I certainly 'align myself' with Avenatti. He's been nothing but perfectly clear and straight-forward from the beginning. I think Cohen is a scoundrel trying to save his skin. He is neck deep in Trump's shenanigans, and is now trying to stay out of jail, or at least limit the damage. Regardless, I do think what he's doing now - as late in the game as it is - is the right choice, as opposed to continuing to side with a false prophet, a lying, deceitful con man.

 

[Steeltime]

1. Cohen is being investigated by the NY district attorney, not Mueller. The warrant to search his office, home etc was signed off by a Republican appointed district judge. .

The warrant on Cohen came from the Special Prosecutor. Yes, right, it came from the FBI, which received the referral from Mueller. Therefore, the search was directly related to Mueller. Know why it did not come from Mueller? Because nothing involved Russia, or collusion.

"The warrant was signed off by a Republican appointed judge." Jesus, what does that matter? Please stop reading stuff on a lefty web site and repeating it here. The "judge appointed by Republican" appears more frequently than the battered mole on Whack-A-Mole. Wonder why, wonder why ... oh, right, it's a new "talking point."

And as is true with almost all talking points, it is just that - air. Irrelevant. Specifically, judges who issue warrants believe that the references in the supporting affadavits are true. The judge does not then "investigate" the allegations, like Matlock. He or she simply reads the affadavits, and decides if the allegations are enough to support a warrant.

That's it. And the standard for such a warrant is "probable cause," which includes "probable cause" that evidence might - MIGHT - be found. The standard is pretty low, to facilitate investigation.

2. You have nothing - zero - to stand on in claiming anything about the Mueller investigation as far as Russian collusion, what they've found or not found, since it's a pending federal investigation.

We have discussed this point previously. Mueller's team has leaked like a sieve. Now is it possible he found and corrected those leaks? Sure, I guess. Is it more likely instead that his team has found exactly bupkus so far on the claimed "collusion"? Yes.

Oh, and p.s. - those links you keep citing - "Mueller to question financial head of Trump team," "Mueller to subpoena so-and-so's records" - where do you think that information comes from? Do you seriously believe Trump is leaking information known only to Mueller's team?

3. You have no way of knowing what connection Cohen has, or doesn't have, to Mueller's Russian investigation. He was his 'fixer' and right hand man, intricately involved with everything Trump was doing. The fact the payments to the various mistresses have been caught up in this is happenstance. It's Mueller's sworn duty to report a crime if he sees a crime. These are not seperate cases, but all bits and pieces in the overall investigation. You can't really expect the FBI to ignore criminal behavior of any kind as they pursue their original mandate, or do you?

Sure. Of course. Mueller and his former mates at the FBI would never let a criminal just skate. For example, by not subpoenaing records, by not putting the target of the investigation under oath, by giving blanket immunity to staff BEFORE questioning them, by not demanding the server for first-hand investigation. Yeah, that would never happen.

Except it already has.

4. Everything we've seen thus far points very much to criminal wrongdoing on part of Trump and his campaign and Russia. The fact you choose to ignore this just points to how deep you are in the clutches of the Trump cult. You may be an attorney Steeltime, but you're a politically compromised attorney who's seeing things through narrow, skewered lenses.

Or alternatively, I don't obsess over Donald Trump like some ... you. Politically compromised?? It matters not a whit to me who is President, except in terms of tax rates. I personally have nothing invested in Trump. I don't own his hat, I have not attended one of his rallies, I did not even vote for the guy last November.

Compare me to the weeping, wailing, shrieking, whining left. They live-and-die with every new Trump story. "Oh, we got him now!!" Or not. Tibs, man, I am telling you this as an internet "friend" - find some balance. Donald Trump is not Hitler, he's not Satan, he will serve his term and the country will move on.

As to your claim, "Everything points to criminal wrongdoing" - I presume that you are able to articulate what evidence shows what criminal wrongdoing.

So what crime has he committed? And please don't say, "Paying porn stars to keep quiet," Tibs, since that is not illegal.

Thanks for the advice buddy. I'll decide for myself who I trust and believe. Out of these two, I certainly 'align myself' with Avenatti. He's been nothing but perfectly clear and straight-forward from the beginning. I think Cohen is a scoundrel trying to save his skin. He is neck deep in Trump's shenanigans, and is now trying to stay out of jail, or at least limit the damage. Regardless, I do think what he's doing now - as late in the game as it is - is the right choice, as opposed to continuing to side with a false prophet, a lying, deceitful con man.

Avenatti is a loathesome cretin and a lying fraud.

His law firm - HIS law firm - took out withholding from employees and did not pay it to the government. His law firm - HIS - stole more than $4 million from a lawyer who brought in millions of dollars worth of business. His law firm - HIS - filed for bankruptcy due to its dishonest practices and financial shenanigans.

Yeah, a guy who oversaw the theft of tax withholding and stiffed another lawyer out of millions of dollars and whose law firm is bankrupt??? Great source. Great.

Cohen? You acknowledge he is very low on the honesty tree. Those two are an embarrassment to the legal profession. Both are in hot water for lying. Both have been proven as liars.

And you think they are reliable sources. Okaaaay.

You keep saying to wait for the Mueller thing. Fine. Okay. Maybe you should do the same. If Mueller produces credible evidence of criminal wrongdoing, then I am with you - Trump should be held accountable.

But if not - get a life, Tibs. Get a life.

 

[deljzc]

Tibs, you are getting taken to the house by Steeltime. Just stop already.....