. The forecast calls for Stormy weather all week....Bwahahahahaha!

[Troglodyte]

Betsy Ross
Susan B. Anthony
Harriet Tubman
And Stormy ******* Daniels!

 

[hamster]

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That tells me nothing. He could have gotten a direct order from Rosenstein. The big question is why is Mueller involved in the first place? I guess we will find out, and it better be good or heads are going to roll. At that point it will already be a constitutional crisis.<iframe scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowtransparency="true" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets/widget_iframe.73a792b0fbc7ab73a8e3b3db9c36a8ac.html?origin=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.steelernationforums.com" style="display: none;"></iframe><iframe id="rufous-sandbox" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowtransparency="true" allowfullscreen="true" style="position: absolute; visibility: hidden; display: none; width: 0px; height: 0px; padding: 0px; border: none;" title="Twitter analytics iframe"></iframe>

 

[Tibs]

That tells me nothing. He could have gotten a direct order from Rosenstein. The big question is why is Mueller involved in the first place? I guess we will find out, and it better be good or heads are going to roll. At that point it will already be a constitutional crisis.<iframe scrolling="no" allowtransparency="true" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets/widget_iframe.73a792b0fbc7ab73a8e3b3db9c36a8ac.html?origin=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.steelernationforums.com" style="display: none;" frameborder="0"></iframe><iframe id="rufous-sandbox" scrolling="no" allowtransparency="true" allowfullscreen="true" style="position: absolute; visibility: hidden; display: none; width: 0px; height: 0px; padding: 0px; border: none;" title="Twitter analytics iframe" frameborder="0"></iframe>

Monday’s raid, though, was conducted at the direction of the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York, not the special counsel. Last week, Mueller’s team revealed in a court filing that deputy attorney general Rod J. Rosenstein (who, in May 2017, appointed Mueller to serve in his current position) had outlined in a memo last August particular areas for the special counsel’s team to investigate.

Mueller could expand those boundaries, but only after getting Rosenstein’s approval. In this case, it seems, Rosenstein referred the question to the U.S. attorney instead.

There are specific rules that come into play before the U.S. attorney would be granted a subpoena, as outlined in the U.S. Attorneys’ Manual. A section titled “Searches of Premises of Subject Attorneys” details six additional safeguards to ensure that the Department of Justice isn’t unjustly violating attorney-client privilege. It applies to subject attorneys — people who are “suspect, subject or target” of an investigation.

That distinction was highlighted last week when The Post reported that Mueller had informed Trump that the president wasn’t a target of the investigation, but only a subject of it. “Prosecutors view someone as a subject when that person has engaged in conduct that is under investigation but there is not sufficient evidence to bring charges,” we wrote at that point. In other words, Trump wasn’t necessarily about to face charges, but he was under investigation. The same, it seems, applies now to Cohen.

To obtain that search warrant, then, the U.S. attorney would have had to meet six conditions, according to the manual.

1. Before obtaining a search warrant, investigators had to try to obtain the evidence in another way, such as by subpoena.
2. The authorization for the warrant had to come from either the U.S. attorney or an assistant attorney general. (Rosenstein is deputy attorney general, a higher position than assistant attorney general.)
3. The prosecutor had to confer with the criminal division of the department before seeking the warrant.
4. The team conducting the search had to “employ adequate precautions” to ensure that they weren’t improperly viewing privileged communications between the Cohen his clients.
5. The search team would have included a “privilege team” including lawyers and agents not working the case which would work to ensure that investigators conducting the search didn’t see privileged communications.
6. The investigators had to develop a review process for the seized material.

The question of what qualifies as privileged communication is complex. Not every communication between an attorney and a client is included. One type of communication that’s excluded: communications between an attorney and a client that might be predicated on committing or covering up a crime.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...igher-than-normal-bar/?utm_term=.236fb1dbdebf

 

[Tibs]

Fire Mueller

Funny how similarly misguided Trump and his supporters are.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FBI’s Public Corruption squad in the New York field office conducted the Cohen raids today.</p>— Shimon Prokupecz (@ShimonPro) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/983480196778070017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 9, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Ron Burgundy]

It is quite obvious now that this Special Counsel was never about Russian collusion. It was always about taking Trump down, in a soft coup. I believe that Mueller has got nothing and is desperate, and has crossed a serious line today, in the hopes that Trump reacts by firing him, causing a political firestorm. He better have something very serious, and not some Flynn-like administrative infraction, or the consequences will be serious.

I guess we will find out, and it better be good or heads are going to roll. At that point it will already be a constitutional crisis.

At this point I agree with what the pundits were saying last year, that we have an investigation in search of a crime, and Trump should have given Mueller until the end of the year to find something and if he doesn't then his investigation is over. For the first time, a special counsel has no crime to investigate....there's your Constitutional crisis. I tend to think that Trump isn't stupid and knows a lot more than we do and is giving Mueller the ol' rope-a-dope.

 

[hamster]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...igher-than-normal-bar/?utm_term=.236fb1dbdebf

When a FISA warrant is issued to spy on a Presidential campaign based upon unverified information, I believe that anything can happen. And we are seeing that the people in power don't think they have to follow the same laws that the rest of us do.

 

[Tibs]

I agree there better be bullet-proof legal backing for them to get this warrant. This amounted to a full blown shakedown, entering Cohen's office, home and hotel room unannounced, searching and seizing evidence. There is no way - in my opinion - the FBI would do that without having full legal authority to do so. Friggin' nuts this is even happening. This is the President of the United States, his personal lawyer and close confidante of two decades. Damn.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

There is no way - in my opinion - the FBI would do that without having full legal authority to do so.

And the way things have been going I'd be surprised if Cohen wasn't prepared for this.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

There is no way - in my opinion - the FBI would do that without having full legal authority to do so. Friggin' nuts this is even happening.

What bothers me is this is the same FBI that is both corrupt and of late highly ineffective. I won't plaster this post with all of the corruption that's been uncovered from Comey to Peter Strzok, but when you couple the obvious and deep corruption with their inability to stop a Daniel Cruz or countless other shooters when given tips well in advance, I will not be surprised in the least if this organization tripped on its dick yet again. This time perhaps severely.

 

[Tibs]

What bothers me is this is the same FBI that is both corrupt and of late highly ineffective. I won't plaster this post with all of the corruption that's been uncovered from Comey to Peter Strzok, but when you couple the obvious and deep corruption with their inability to stop a Daniel Cruz or countless other shooters when given tips well in advance, I will not be surprised in the least if this organization tripped on its dick yet again. This time perhaps severely.

I get that Tim, but you don't do no-knock raids on the President's lawyer's home and office on a whim. There has to be something more here that gave the DOJ the balls to do something like this. We'll find out, I guess.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I get that Tim, but you don't do no-knock raids on the President's lawyer's home and office on a whim. There has to be something more here that gave the DOJ the balls to do something like this. We'll find out, I guess.

We will.

Here's what else bothers me. As I wrote elsewhere. Americans should be worried. Robert Mueller was appointed as special counsel to investigate the theory of Russian collusion. That investigation has only yielded collusion by the Russians with the Clintons. Now, Muller has strayed off topic to go after Trump on a completely different and unrelated issue - the Stormy Daniels affair. Meaning, the Mueller investigation is not about Russia. It is blatantly and obviously about a soft coup and overthrowing an elected President of the USA.

Where does Mueller get the authority to switch channels like this? Where was he granted the authority to pursue "any and all" perceived misdeeds by the President, UNLESS he's been given carte blanche to simply take down the President?

I don't care what side of the aisle you are. That oughta scare the **** out of anyone. That's Stalin-era tactics (without the bullets - yet) stuff.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I get that Tim, but you don't do no-knock raids on the President's lawyer's home and office on a whim. There has to be something more here that gave the DOJ the balls to do something like this. We'll find out, I guess.

Not necessarily. They already lied to get FISA warrants and wiretaps.

 

[Confluence]

Clearly you haven't been paying attention. Cohen's been neck-deep in the Trump debacle from the beginning, as he was a central figure in the Steele dossier. Cohen has been intimately involved with the Trump org and the shady business deals from day one, including a supposed meeting with Russian agents in Prague. Cohen has been a focus of Mueller's investigation this entire time. One of the main premises of the Russia probe is the possibility Trump could be blackmailed by covering up various sexual transgressions. That's how the Stormy Daniels case was referred to Mueller and how it all ties in. Do your homework before mouthing off, *******.

**** off, already


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[hamster]

Not necessarily. They already lied to get FISA warrants and wiretaps.

That was a bit different, because they thought it would be deeply covered once Hillary was elected. This one is in broad daylight, and better be air tight. If not, this will go nuclear. Then again, those who did underhanded things in the are capable of anything.

 

[IndySteel]

I get that Tim, but you don't do no-knock raids on the President's lawyer's home and office on a whim. There has to be something more here that gave the DOJ the balls to do something like this. We'll find out, I guess.

It’s driven by sore loser TDS. And PMS.

 

[Confluence]

I get that Tim, but you don't do no-knock raids on the President's lawyer's home and office on a whim. There has to be something more here that gave the DOJ the balls to do something like this. We'll find out, I guess.

And if there is not something, finally something to justify your orgiastic response and cut/paste posts of the emails flooding your inbox from the (re)education collective, will you simply admit that you/they are wrong and have been wrong for a long time?


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[Tibs]

Where does Mueller get the authority to switch channels like this?

Everything Mueller does in this investigation is supervised by the DOJ, in this case Rod Rosenstein. Sessions has the ultimate say, but he recused himself early on. IMO Mueller can't go on some rogue, far-reaching goose chase without the DOJ being privy to it. That's my understanding of it.

Trump is the subject of a DOJ special investigation. That's a fact. Not a suspect, but a subject. He may not like it, he may find it irritating, he might call it a witch hunt. If he tries to end it by firing Mueller or anyone else, he's point-blank staring down impeachment hearings in Congress.

He can listen to Fox News and in a fit of rage fire Mueller, Sessions or Rosenstein. He'll be swimming in icy waters from that point on, to keep serving as President.

 

[Tibs]

**** off, already

That's not nice Confluence.

And if there is not something, finally something to justify your orgiastic response and cut/paste posts of the emails flooding your inbox from the (re)education collective

Are you high? Or just not watching the news. I posted a few tweets on the topic of this thread. What are we supposed to do if not post comments on threads? Oh yeah, it's to jump in and attack posters on a whim. Nice work. I think the FBI raiding the President's attorney's home and office is a big deal. **** me for posting about it.

...will you simply admit that you/they are wrong and have been wrong for a long time?

Wrong about what? That there would be utter madness and chaos if Trump got elected? Do you live in a cave somewhere up in the hills? What the hell do you think has been happening? I accurately predicted and commented widely on a host of issues I had with Trump, leading up to the election. None of my concerns or criticisms were unwarranted, to say the least.

 

[Tibs]

It’s driven by sore loser TDS. And PMS.

Again, this is not an investigation run by the Dems or motivated by Hillary Clinton losing the election. This is Trump's DOJ running the investigation. Trump > Sessions > Rosenstein > Mueller. See how that works?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Everything Mueller does in this investigation is supervised by the DOJ, in this case Rod Rosenstein. Sessions has the ultimate say, but he recused himself early on. IMO Mueller can't go on some rogue, far-reaching goose chase without the DOJ being privy to it. That's my understanding of it.

Trump is the subject of a DOJ special investigation. That's a fact. Not a suspect, but a subject. He may not like it, he may find it irritating, he might call it a witch hunt. If he tries to end it by firing Mueller or anyone else, he's point-blank staring down impeachment hearings in Congress.

He can listen to Fox News and in a fit of rage fire Mueller, Sessions or Rosenstein. He'll be swimming in icy waters from that point on, to keep serving as President.

I don’t care the reason why. We can debate about the players and the dark state and all of that elsewhere.

It’s the fact it is being done - at all. The Special counsel was to investigate the Russian collusion theory. Period. Stormy Daniels has nothing to do with that at all. They are utterly unrelated.

Therefore the fact that the head of the Special Counsel IS doing this makes it clear and blatantly obvious that there a backed movement within the government to do whatever it takes to bring down the President of the US.

There’s no other way to slice it. Mueller has no business being in the Stormy Daniels affair. But he is. That is a MAJOR issue that I will repeat should scare any American.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Again, this is not an investigation run by the Dems or motivated by Hillary Clinton losing the election. This is Trump's DOJ running the investigation. Trump > Sessions > Rosenstein > Mueller. See how that works?

No it isn't. Sessions, and especially Rosenstein and Mueller, are career bureaucrats and don't work for Trump. They're part of a very large group of government employees who want to stop his agenda and get rid of him.

 

[Troglodyte]

And the way things have been going I'd be surprised if Cohen wasn't prepared for this.

Right. Whenever I hear about these raids and confiscating files and hard drives I wonder how and why the subjects would still be in possession of them.

 

[Tibs]

The Special counsel was to investigate the Russian collusion theory. Period.

That is inaccurate...read the actual mandate when you have a chance. It's more broad in scope than that.

Mueller has no business being in the Stormy Daniels affair. But he is.

And why do you think that is? Because Mueller's been quiet and not announcing his moves? Perhaps. There is no good way of knowing what extent Cohen's been part of the investigation or what they've found as evidence. If they're just going after Cohen on the Stormy Daniels case, the President's comments denying knowledge of that may have triggered it. We can argue the semantics on how they got here, but no way would they break into the President's lawyer's office and confiscate files if they didn't have damn good reason to do so.

This may be unrelated to the core Special Counsel investigation, you may be right. We don't know that yet. During any investigation, if they uncover a crime - related or unrelated to the initial investigation - they have to investigate it. That's the law. That's how the FBI functions, Trump or no Trump. That's how a case could be thrown around by the DOJ from one agency to another, as what happened here.

 

[SCSteeler4life]

I get that Tim, but you don't do no-knock raids on the President's lawyer's home and office on a whim. There has to be something more here that gave the DOJ the balls to do something like this. We'll find out, I guess.

They got a FISA warrant on total bullshit, how can this surprise you ?

 

[Tibs]

Trump should have given Mueller until the end of the year to find something and if he doesn't then his investigation is over.

Wait, what? That's not how FBI investigations work, this isn't field hockey with a game clock and a buzzer. It's a criminal investigation. That would be great if we could tell the coppers how much time they have to collect evidence and prove a case against us.

My simple question for Trump supporters. If he's completely innocent of any wrongdoing, why has he been sweating like a ***** in Bangkok for over a year? He's openly bashed this from the beginning, instead of simply answering questions, making declarations to support the rule of law and its institutions and work towards the ultimate goal of proving his innocence and washing his hands clean? Nothing he has said or done from day one gave that impression. It's been a national travesty like no other, what we're witnessing during this short presidency.