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One of the last (and only?) patriotic Republicans left in Congress, Justin Amash lays it all out masterfully, in plain English. While I disagree with most everything he stands for and believes in politically, I have nothing but gratitude and admiration for his patriotism and respect for the rule of law. Take it away, Justin:

https://twitter.com/justinamash

That entire ******* list of tweets identified exactly this number of facts showing illegal behavior by Trump that would rise to the level of obstruction:

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Au contraire. I do accept the findings of Mueller's report. The difference is, you accept Trump & Barr's interpretation and sugarcoating of the Mueller report. I stand by what's actually written in the report. As should you and all Americans who believe we are still a country of laws and that nobody, not even the President, is above the law.

Did the special counsel find evidence of collusion or issue any indictments?

No. Case closed.
 
Au contraire. I do accept the findings of Mueller's report. The difference is, you accept Trump & Barr's interpretation and sugarcoating of the Mueller report. I stand by what's actually written in the report. As should you and all Americans who believe we are still a country of laws and that nobody, not even the President, is above the law.

Can you point to where Mueller specifically points out, highlights and addresses the instances of collusion and obstruction?
 
Can you point to where Mueller specifically points out, highlights and addresses the instances of collusion and obstruction?

Tibs will give you a 5 page bullet point assessment -- that will amount to exactly jack ****.

Oh, and his hero Michael Avenatti, had another little boo boo today. Scumbag.
 
Can you point to where Mueller specifically points out, highlights and addresses the instances of collusion and obstruction?

“the investigation established multiple links between Trump Campaign officials and individuals tied to the Russian government. Those links included Russian offers of assistance to the Campaign. In some instances, the Campaign was receptive to the offer, while in other instances the Campaign officials shied away.”

“If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state,” the report notes. “Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment.”

“The president’s efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests.”

Trump also ordered White House Counsel Don McGahn to have Mueller removed, citing supposed conflicts of interest. “McGahn said he told the president that he would see what he could do,” the report states.

Later, Trump again directed McGahn to fire Mueller. McGahn threatened to resign rather than do so, and Trump backed down. But when news of the incident leaked to the press, Trump demanded that McGahn deny it—in other words, he instructed the White House’s top lawyer to lie. McGahn refused.

Mueller’s report also sheds new light on Trump’s efforts to hide the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting between members of the Trump campaign and family and Russians. Mueller says there was no effort to conceal the matter from the special counsel, and therefore no evidence of a crime, but the incident shows Trump attempting to brazenly mislead the public.


Mueller’s Damning Report
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/opinion/mueller-report-trump.html

The report makes clear that the president’s obstruction of the F.B.I. and special counsel investigations crossed constitutional boundaries that could have merited criminal prosecution, if not for the Justice Department’s policy against indicting sitting presidents.

Mr. Mueller laid out 181 pages detailing the substantial evidence that Mr. Trump obstructed justice. His team also concluded that even if legal constraints prevented them from seeking to indict a sitting president for obstruction of justice, “Congress has authority to prohibit a president’s corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice.”

Far from ending the matter, the Mueller report is an unmistakable act of deference to Congress’s primary jurisdiction over accountability for the president.

The report details egregious evidence of obstruction, emphasizing the pattern of conduct that the president took after James Comey, then the F.B.I. director, confirmed the bureau’s investigation into possible links between the Trump campaign and Russia.
 
What the Mueller report tells us about Trump, Russia and obstruction
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news.../18/mueller-report-trump-russia-key-takeaways

The special counsel found 11 instances in which Trump and his campaign’s actions may have amounted to obstruction of justice

“The investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome.”
Investigators found multiple ties between the Trump campaign and the Russians, which were described as follows:

The Russian contacts consisted of business connections, offers of assistance to the Campaign, invitations for candidate Trump and Putin to meet in person, invitations for Campaign officials and representatives of the Russian government to meet, and policy positions seeking improved U.S.-Russian relations.

Mueller, in fact, left little room for interpretation on Congress’s authority to evaluate the evidence and reach its own decision on obstruction:

“We concluded that Congress has authority to prohibit a President’s corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice,” the report states, adding:

The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President’s corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law.

And that brings us to the here and now, where Congress must act to uphold the Constitution and begin impeachment proceedings.
 
How would the Russians benefit from Trump winning? They had Hillary and Obama in their back pockets plus Trump advocated and eventually opened up territory for fracking etc and that would drive down energy costs, thus hurting the Ruskies.
 
Tibs,

I know TDS can be real ***** to suffer from (you sick ***** need some serious 24/7 therapy), but I'll try again. One. More. Time.

Were there any indictments issued by one Robert Swan Mueller III?
 
Congress must act to uphold the Constitution and begin impeachment proceedings.

Nancy is warming up to the idea


Nancy Pelosi Doubles Down on 'Cover-Up' Remarks After Trump Explodes: 'Could Be an Impeachable Offense'

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) is doubling down on her claims of President Donald Trump perpetrating a "cover up," saying "this president is obstructing justice ... and that could be an impeachable offense."

"The fact is, in plain sight, in the public domain," Pelosi said. "This president is obstructing justice and he's engaged in a cover-up. And that could be an impeachable offense."

"Ignoring the subpoenas of Congress was article three of the Nixon impeachment," Pelosi noted. "As they say, the cover up is frequently worse than the crime."

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/nanc...ump-explodes-could-be-an-impeachable-offense/
 
“The president’s efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests.”

Trump also ordered White House Counsel Don McGahn to have Mueller removed, citing supposed conflicts of interest. “McGahn said he told the president that he would see what he could do,” the report states.

Later, Trump again directed McGahn to fire Mueller. McGahn threatened to resign rather than do so, and Trump backed down. But when news of the incident leaked to the press, Trump demanded that McGahn deny it—in other words, he instructed the White House’s top lawyer to lie. McGahn refused.

Mueller’s report also sheds new light on Trump’s efforts to hide the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting between members of the Trump campaign and family and Russians. Mueller says there was no effort to conceal the matter from the special counsel, and therefore no evidence of a crime, but the incident shows Trump attempting to brazenly mislead the public.

You're joking, right? Please, for the love of God, tell me you are joking. No? Okay, let's go over these allegations - that is what they are, by the way, nothing more than allegations after the President allowed his lawyers to speak to the investigator, cited no privilege though all such communications were obviously privileged, provide more than 1,000,000 documents, and had dozens upon dozens of his staff talk to Mueller's team.

1. The efforts to "interfere" were unsuccessful only because of the brave resistance by [fill in name here]. No crime, no obstruction:

18 U.S.C. (that stands for "United States Code") § 1512. Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant

(b) Whoever knowingly uses intimidation, threatens, or corruptly persuades another person, or attempts to do so, or engages in misleading conduct toward another person, with intent to—
(1) influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding;
(2) cause or induce any person to—
(A) withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding;
(B) alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal an object with intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding;
(C) evade legal process summoning that person to appear as a witness, or to produce a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding; or
(D) be absent from an official proceeding to which such person has been summoned by legal process; or

(3) hinder, delay, or prevent the communication to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation [1] supervised release,[1] parole, or release pending judicial proceedings;

shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

(c) Whoever corruptly—
(1) alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or other object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding; or
(2) otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so,

shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

So the attempt to "influence" the investigation ... any evidence of intimidation, threats, or actions that rise to the level of forcible persuasion? No? No crime. No obstruction.

2. The request to have Mueller removed. Any evidence of any evidence of intimidation, threats, or actions that rise to the level of forcible persuasion? No? No crime. No obstruction. The President could fire Mueller at his will, and certainly did not need McGahan's approval - and yet amazingly did not do so.

3.Have McGahan deny the removal request ... again, that actually has nothing to do with the ******* investigation, does it, Tibs? And yet again ... any evidence of intimidation, threats, or actions that rise to the level of forcible persuasion? No? No crime. No obstruction.

4. No concealing the "Trump tower" meeting is evidence of collusion?? Again, this is a joke. Once again, any evidence of intimidation, threats, or actions that rise to the level of forcible persuasion? No? No crime. No obstruction.
 
One. More. Time. Were there any indictments issued by one Robert Swan Mueller III?

No dummy, it's DOJ policy not to indict a sitting president. It's Congress' job to take the findings of the Mueller report and begin impeachment proceedings.
 

dude... do you even bother reading past what you want to be true? in regards to the first quote...you sure as **** did NOT read further. That quote ended as:
Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/04/mueller-report-release-barr-trump/587176/

2nd Quote:
The report identifies 10 instances of possible obstruction by Trump and said he might have "had a motive" to impede the investigation because of what it could find on a variety of personal matters, such as his proposal to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/fact...-spread-untruths-on-mueller-report/ar-BBWa229

*** might have*** - as in speculation. as in unproven. as in hocus pocus. as in he's a real estate developer. and Mueller was trying to grasp straws out of reach since they were non-existent.

3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th Quote:
This is about all you have. These are all tied in together. President Trump tried stopping an investigation that he deemed was bullshit and a waste of time. He was acting as a businessman and not a politician. (Oh, let's not even bring up how all the alleged patriots looking into President Trump are so intertwined that they make backwoods Kentucky inbreds look elegant and distinguished.)
 
there was no ******* collusion with the Russians...well not by the Trump campaign.....

just ******* stop trying to make a ******* obstruction case out of an investigation that was total ******* bullshit from the get go.
 
How would the Russians benefit from Trump winning? They had Hillary and Obama in their back pockets plus Trump advocated and eventually opened up territory for fracking etc and that would drive down energy costs, thus hurting the Ruskies.

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No dummy, it's DOJ policy not to indict a sitting president. It's Congress' job to take the findings of the Mueller report and begin impeachment proceedings.

Or, he could have sealed an indictment for when Trump leaves office. Or he could have said he would have indicted sans the DOJ policy. He did neither. He had nothing. What he did do is to allow his team of angry dumbass Democrat prosecutors to write a slander piece. The Mueller probe is a national disgrace, as is the behavior of the House Dems, This is setting a dangerous precedent moving forward. The Dems always cross the line, and live to regret it later. Filibuster rule case in point. Thank you Sen Reid. Impeachment proceedings will blow up in their faces.

I can't wait for the Horowitz report. And the Barr investigation. Then, we will see REAL crimes exposed.
 
I think Mueller dropped the ball by not being firmer in his report. Leaving a wishy washy answer up to congress was a recipe for what we have now. I think Mueller was afraid of being "political" so just left things open ended. It will be interesting to see what happens if he testifies. On a side note Trump is like a giant baby. I guess nothing will get done till the next election now. He basically walked out on his job today. I can not believe for how big and tough he says he is that he lets Pelosi get to him. The lady can barely carry out a full sentence and loses her train of thought constantly.
 
I hope they do begin impeachment proceedings, so real lawyers who actually understand laws can explain to the dumbasses in this country that there were no crimes committed by Trump. Right out there in public and on TV. It will take a long time, Trump will be vindicated and the House Dems will have wasted two years doing absolutely nothing for the people of this country. Just in time for the election.

Trump couldn't plan this more perfectly if he tried.

Tibs, remember when you told us over and over again how Trump was an agent of the Kremlin? How he's been involved with them since back in the 80s as evidenced by his casinos and condo sales? How the dossier was true and Cohen really was in Prague and it was all a big decades long conspiracy? What happened to all the evidence of that Tibs? We were waiting, you promised!
 
Tibs, remember when you told us over and over again how Trump was an agent of the Kremlin? How he's been involved with them since back in the 80s as evidenced by his casinos and condo sales? How the dossier was true and Cohen really was in Prague and it was all a big decades long conspiracy? What happened to all the evidence of that Tibs? We were waiting, you promised!

He also told us that Michael Avenatti was a national treasure.
Has he been right about anything? Even Stevie Wonder could see he was a con man.
 

No dummy, it's DOJ policy not to indict a sitting president. It's Congress' job to take the findings of the Mueller report and begin impeachment proceedings.

My bad. Did Mueller report a crime was committed to recommend any indictments to Congress?
 
Tibs, remember when you told us over and over again how Trump was an agent of the Kremlin? How he's been involved with them since back in the 80s as evidenced by his casinos and condo sales? How the dossier was true and Cohen really was in Prague and it was all a big decades long conspiracy? What happened to all the evidence of that Tibs? We were waiting, you promised!

Tibs has shown himself to be a cry-closet ***** who won't admit when he's wrong.
 
He also told us that Michael Avenatti was a national treasure.

That's when I realized Tibs is either a troll or a really delusional dolt. I know, it takes me a while sometimes.
 
The only obstruction going on is just more obstruction of a duly elected president. Pelosi and company should be the ones who are impeached. Trump and Barr just need to keep turning up the heat on investigating the real crimes from the previous administration and that's all this is really about. The Dems are just circling the wagons in a vain attempt to protect themselves but their time is running out before real indictments start coming down.
 
He also told us that Michael Avenatti was a national treasure.
George Papadopolous is approaching national treasure status though.
 
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