The Official Thread Dedicated to "Trump Winning"

[Tim Steelersfan]

There is nothing petty about a Special Prosecutor investigating the President.

That's what the special prosecutor is for numbnuts, to bear that evidence out. Let's see how it plays out, why don't we?

Your general behavior is petty Tibs. Skulking. Running away crying. Disappearing for months, spineless like a coward. Appearing back only when you believe you smell blood in the water because you couldn't stand on your own without a story to cling to. That defines petty. The comment was aimed toward you, not the investigation.

Yes, let's see how it plays out...as it has since November 2016...producing nothing.

As has been said over and over and over...when do we stop?

Also, are you ok with a universal investigation if we can have one? Include the Clintons, the Clinton Foundation, members of the DNC, as well as Trump? As an American, I certainly hope Robert investigates it all. There's damning evidence on the Democratic trail. Real, palpable evidence. On Trump? Yeah, not so much.

 

[Tibs]

Your general behavior is petty Tibs. Skulking. Running away crying. Disappearing for months, spineless like a coward. Appearing back only when you believe you smell blood in the water because you couldn't stand on your own without a story to cling to. That defines petty. The comment was aimed toward you, not the investigation.

For the last time, I took a hiatus from the board for Trump's first 100 days. I did so purposefully and with clear intent. I wanted to give you guys plenty of 'safe space' to revel in your victory without being called out for all the bullshit rhetoric that gets posted here, day in and day out. I didn't sulk and I didn't run. And I didn't come back because "I smell blood in the water." I came back because I chose to and the fact I've been posting here for over a decade.

But I imagine like the incessant, collective hang-ups you have regarding Hillary, Obama et al, this too is something you can work yourselves into a frenzy over. Like children in a playpen, drawing on the walls with crayons.

 

[hamster]

The Robert Mueller-led Special Counsel is just now starting the inquiry. You guys are stating as fact that we 'know' all of these things to be true, yet the investigation hasn't even begun yet. Doesn't that seem a little odd to you?

You do know that when an investigation like this starts, it can go in a number of different directions..........and posssibly a few that you would not like. Imagine if it uncovers serious violations by the former POTUS, and his Administration. Wouldn't that be a "didn't see that coming" moment?

 

[Tibs]

You do know that when an investigation like this starts, it can go in a number of different directions..........and posssibly a few that you would not like. Imagine if it uncovers serious violations by the former POTUS, and his Administration. Wouldn't that be a "didn't see that coming" moment?

As I've said before, I'm all for it. Regardless if it's Hillary, Obama or any former government officials, if there was wrongdoing and criminal activity, let's get to the bottom of it once and for all. And I've already stated several times, if the end result is no charges against Trump and his team then I will accept that and apologize for my belligerance.

 

[ark steel]

Wouldn't that be a "didn't see that coming" moment?

Well, we wouldn't be surprised that it happened and/or gets uncovered. What we would not see coming is that it actually gets reported.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

For the last time, I took a hiatus from the board for Trump's first 100 days. I did so purposefully and with clear intent. I wanted to give you guys plenty of 'safe space' to revel in your victory without being called out for all the bullshit rhetoric that gets posted here, day in and day out. I didn't sulk and I didn't run.

Ummm, I was here Tibsy. I saw it unfold. I watched you scream and rant and yell for a year, making fun of everyone here about Trump. I watched you arrogantly claim he had no chance to get out of the primaries. I watched you arrogantly claim he couldn't become President. Then we all witnessed your meltdown after he won, proving you wrong. You couldn't handle being wrong after 6,500 posts telling everyone else they were. And with no spine, well...the meltdown ensued. We watched you pout in your posts. I saw you write that you were going to take a hiatus...after many suggested you leave since you wouldn't have the spine to accept the election results. You called it a hiatus, but that was your cover for running. Like a guy who tells work he needs some disability leave for "personal reasons" but checks himself into rehab, "hiatus" for our benefit (LMAO for hours on that one) was nothing more than bullshit cover.

Your exit is exactly what we've all said it was - a spineless exit because you couldn't hang in defeat. Like Hillary, you couldn't accept the election results as she and you demanded Republicans should have done in defeat.

Unlike we Conservatives who stayed throughout Bammy's term, never leaving, never wavering, you caved, tucked tail and ran. That simple.

Hope the snowflake shelter was therapeutic for you.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I will accept that and apologize for my belligerance.

Just like you accepted the election results?!?!

 

[Tibs]

Nice theory, bro. I guess I'm so spineless it's a minor miracle I've been back posting ever since, amidst the wonderful, spectacular Trump presidency, which is going so, so well, according to you. I'll make sure I give you advanced, written notice next time I take a break from the board. I thank you in advance for your compassion and understanding. And take a break I will, this place kills braincells like there's no tomorrow.

 

[Tibs]

Just like you accepted the election results?!?!

I've long accepted the election results. I accepted them the night of the election. It's not my fault the president is a complete ****-up. Though I predicted as much.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Nice theory, bro. I guess I'm so spineless it's a minor miracle I've been back posting ever since, amidst the wonderful, spectacular Trump presidency, which is going so, so well, according to you. I'll make sure I give you advanced, written notice next time I take a break from the board. I thank you in advance for your compassion and understanding. And take a break I will, this place kills braincells like there's no tomorrow.

Keep telling yourself whatever works. Too many witnesses here for you to change history to suit your mental state of the day.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

Well, we wouldn't be surprised that it happened and/or gets uncovered. What we would not see coming is that it actually gets reported.

If it DOES get reported, it will be done as a "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy."

 

[deljzc]

I've long accepted the election results. I accepted them the night of the election. It's not my fault the president is a complete ****-up. Though I predicted as much.

What has happened that is such a "complete **** up"? What tangible? Not this sky-is-falling rhetoric or something that WILL happen sometime down the line (although free free to postulate something concrete).

How has your life changed in Hungary since Trump's election?

Are you really going to argue that the earth is now doomed because we pulled out of the Climate Agreement? You have to be smarter than that hogwash Tibs. You have to be smarter to know climate "agreements" come and go and they don't really mean a damn thing.

Are you going to argue the U.S. economy is worse? What facts support that claim?

Are you going to argue there is more war in the world since October somewhere that is directly the fault of Trump?

You constantly come on here claiming his Presidency is a joke and a **** up but I don't see that. I see a lot of partisan fighting. I see continued inadequacies of Congress. I see left/right division. But wouldn't that be with any President? Wasn't that the same under your favorite son Obama? Was HE at fault for divisive politics, caustic partisanship, stall tactics in Congress? Aren't all those things still existing under Trump?

Give me one concrete thing that Trump has effected in your opinion that is irreparable that only HE would have done and not any other Republican President.

 

[Tibs]

deljzc, I appreciate the tone and content of your post. I will try to answer in kind, but I'll need to gather my thoughts a bit to narrow it down to the degree that you're asking. So I will respond in earnest at a later time.

Needless to say, I have serious misgivings about the man's character, his tangled business interests, his level of honesty, his sense of civic duty, his boisterous, mindless, incessant tweeting, his true motives, his political affiliations with Bannon and the alt right, his lack of legislative policymaking, his blow-by-the-wind foreign policy. I also don't think he has nearly enough of a grasp of the world - including nuanced diplomatic skills - that the presidency requires. America is truly the greatest nation on earth. I think we deserve leaders that are fortright, earnest and hold the common good above all else. Donald Trump to me simply doesn't pass the smell test. That was true of him as a candidate, and it's more true now than ever since he's been President.

I will say this, if he can move beyond the allegations regarding collusion with Russia - that is, the special prosecutor clears him of any wrongdoing on that front, I will at least put that to rest. The idea that a president-elect was colluding with a foreign nation just bugs the **** out of me. I understand you all think it's a big fat lie. I hope it is. Setting the record straight on what did - or didn't - happen in the run up to the election will be a huge step in the right direction. At that stage, perhaps Trump can regain some footing and follow through with his legislative proposals. Repeal and replace Obamacare with something better? Let's see it. Wholesale reform of the tax system, that doesn't shaft the middle class? Let's see it. Seriously diminishing worldwide terrorism? Make it happen. I want to root for the guy, as any American should root for their president to succeed, regardless of party. At this stage all I see is total chaos surrounding the White House. One way or another, it's imperative to get some clarity and move past this current level of turmoil. I'm afraid Trump is his own worst enemy, he himself needs to do some soul searching on how this whole thing has gotten off the ground.

I will try to give you a more succinct answer on what specific thing(s) Trump has done that may be irreparable. Though in a democracy as strong as ours, few things meet that lithmus test. Beyond a full-scale nuclear war, I guess.

 

[Tibs]

As an example of the type of visceral reaction I have to Trump, I'll share this. Is this a president we can be proud of and look up to? Is this really the America we envision for our kids?

Kids Are Quoting Trump To Bully Their Classmates And Teachers Don’t Know What To Do About It
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertsama...tes?utm_term=.iw8QmJOOZb&bffbnews#.seLxYE88bL

Donald Trump’s campaign and election have added an alarming twist to school bullying, with white students using the president's words and slogans to bully Latino, Middle Eastern, black, Asian, and Jewish classmates. In the first comprehensive review of post-election bullying, BuzzFeed News has confirmed more than 50 incidents, across 26 states, in which a K-12 student invoked Trump’s name or message in an apparent effort to harass a classmate during the past school year.

In the parking lot of a high school in Shakopee, Minnesota, boys in Donald Trump shirts gathered around a black teenage girl and sang a portion of “The Star Spangled Banner,” replacing the closing line with “and the home of the slaves.” On a playground at an elementary school in Albuquerque, New Mexico, third-graders surrounded a boy and chanted “Trump! Trump! Trump!”

On a school bus in San Antonio, Texas, a white eighth-grader said to a Filipino classmate, “You are going to be deported.” In a classroom in Brea, California, a white eighth-grader told a black classmate, “Now that Trump won, you're going to have to go back to Africa, where you belong.” In the hallway of a high school in San Carlos, California, a white student told two biracial girls to “go back home to whatever country you're from.” In Louisville, Kentucky, a third-grade boy chased a Latina girl around the classroom shouting “build the wall!” In a stadium parking lot in Jacksonville, Florida, after a high school football game, white students chanted at black students from the opposing school: “Donald Trump! Donald Trump! Donald Trump!”

 

[IndySteel]

As an example of the type of visceral reaction I have to Trump, I'll share this. Is this a president we can be proud of and look up to? Is this really the America we envision for our kids?

Kids Are Quoting Trump To Bully Their Classmates And Teachers Don’t Know What To Do About It
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertsama...tes?utm_term=.iw8QmJOOZb&bffbnews#.seLxYE88bL

Yeah, because Trump actually said that. You are a ******* idiot.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

The idea that a president-elect was colluding with a foreign nation just bugs the **** out of me. I understand you all think it's a big fat lie. I hope it is. Setting the record straight on what did - or didn't - happen in the run up to the election will be a huge step in the right direction.

This is where you fail to see you lose all credibility with posters on this board. Your selective outrage. And let's be honest, that's what it is.

Yes I'm going to dial up the Clintons again because it's pertinent to your post. It shows that you're nothing more than partisan. There's no other way to slice it when we look at your history here. If you cared about America and the Demoracy, you'd have shown equal reaction over the years. You've not.

There is a VAST amount of information about the Clintons and their connections and financial dealings with Russia. It was brought up while she was Secretary of State. And you were here on SN. It was brought up when she was running for President. And you were here on SN.

A member of the Clinton Foundation's brother is a registered agent for a bank in Moscow. In exchange for shipping 20% of our uranium to Russia, the Clinton Foundation received millions in funding. Bill Clinton got $500K from a Russian bank while Hillary was Sec of State. The Clinton Foundation alone had numerous pay to play scandals, taking money from our enemies for access to the Secretary of State, Hillary Rodham Clinton. Hillary was involved in the email scandal that should have landed her in prison, a scandal that led to classified emails ending up on a Democratic pedophile's laptop.

Yet throughout all of those years, you were here with zero outrage over any of those allegations. They didn't bother you in the least. It didn't "bug the **** out of you" because it was your candidate. In fact, you posted thousands of times in these forums, belittling those who brought up these facts and tried to convince us all that it didn't matter.

Simply put, the shoe is now on the other foot and all of a sudden you care. Despite there being zero evidence produced to date about Trump colluding with Russia, just speculation. In a situation where a President Elect and the Secretary of State had proven illicit ties with Russia, you didn't care at all.

Had you been consistent and shown equal outrage with a President Elect with proven financial and political illicit ties with Russia and other enemies of the USA, you might be taken seriously.

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[Tibs]

Tim, a simple question. To offset the partisanship you accuse me of, why are you not upset about the allegations against Trump if similar allegations against the Clinton's were so upsetting to you? To display the type of consistency you claim I lack, I'd think you'd be leading the charge to get to the bottom of Trump-Russia collusion. If for no other reason than to allow him to clear his name.

I was never a defender of the Clinton's, say what you will. There were multiple inquiries into her affairs, including marathon, GOP led hearings on Benghazi. If her Russian connections, the Clinton foundation or her e-mail scandals were criminal in nature, why has she not been charged? If Obama didn't go after her, why doesn't Trump or Sessions?

 

[deljzc]

I agree with Tim on this Tibs....

Your "outrage" that Trump might have colluded with Russia to release TRUE e-mails from a clearly corrupt, deep-state Democratic National Committee (which by the way screwed your favorite candidate) protected by such poor e-mail protection as a password "Password" seems really far-fetched. That's really what you are hanging your hat on about Trump's presidency to date?

Look, I understand the guy is not Mr. Smooth Talker Barack Hussein Obama. But for all the "acting" Presidential Obama seemed to do right, his spineless world leadership and gutless "phone and pen" executive branch-changing precedent is MUCH worse than anything Trump has done in his first 5 months.

To me, the fact some of our "traditional", safe allies are a bit uncomfortable is a good thing. This country and the world order needed a ******* shake up. The fat cats in Europe under Merkel's leadership; their **** stinks too and I'm tired of hearing our media saying it doesn't. I like his budget like hell (even if it will never get passed). I like his bull in a china shop world tour right now. Will some antiques get broken? You bet. But people need to remember it's just a bunch of porcelain and not that important in the scheme of things.

Brexit was a good thing. And electing Trump is a good thing. Neither is written in stone for the next 50 years, remember that. We didn't elect a dictator.

I never even realized the amount of bullshit "phone and pen" regulations Obama enacted until I hear the media whine when Trump tries to undo some of it with the same "phone and pen". It's ******* amazing. Over HALF of everything Trump has done via memorandum or XO has just been to undo Obama stuff. Stuff we clearly lived without long before Obama-the-savior was in power.

Tibs, you are clearly NOT going to believe in the America First ideology Trump supporters believe but I have a tough time not at least respecting the current conservative concepts:

America first in trade with a goal of increased manufacturing in the U.S. (in Germany can do it, we can)
Immigration reform and enforcement
Lower corporate taxes to compete with Europe (E.U. has around 15%, we have 35%)
Tax reform and simplification
Decisiveness and less political correctness when dealing with the Islamism threat
De-fund bloated federal programs and agencies that have grown faster than our GDP over the last Presidency
Either go back to old healthcare model or go all-in on single payer instead of the half-assed, social program, money draining, failing Obamacare

Again Tibs... what part of that (even if you don't agree) do you DISRESPECT? Because that's the way liberals act right now towards Trump supporters. Disrespectful. You included.

 

[Tibs]

Your "outrage" that Trump might have colluded with Russia to release TRUE e-mails from a clearly corrupt, deep-state Democratic National Committee (which by the way screwed your favorite candidate) protected by such poor e-mail protection as a password "Password" seems really far-fetched.

That is not what the allegations are. It's much more than the hacking and releasing of emails. It's Trump's dealings with the Russian mob and oligarchs (close to Putin) in multiple business deals around the world spanning decades, including real estate deals in NY and FL. It's colluding with Russia in the sense that Russia has dirt on Trump, be it the use of illicit funds, money laundering, et al. The understanding is, if Trump is elected, these will remain secret, in exchange for pro-Russian foreign policy, including, but not exclusive to lifting of Russian sanctions. The - yet unproven - notion is Putin - via Russian secret service and assisted by Trump campaign staffers - conspired to help Trump get elected by leaking dirt on Clinton, flooding the net with false stories and the like. In return, Trump would go soft on Putin, go soft on NATO (particularly NATO expansion), go soft on Russian transgressions in the Ukraine and Syria. This is the synopsis of the allegations. Again, as you've pointed out, most of this is as of yet unsubstantiated. Comey and the FBI were on this investigation when Trump fired Comey. Right there is another strike, the possibility of obstruction of justice. Now Robert Mueller, as special prosecutor, will either bear this all out or dismiss the case altogether.

If there is nothing there, they will shut this case down, much like they shut down Clinton's Benghazi and email server inquiries.

I do think many of you have been overly eager to dismiss all of this. That's your choice. But you can't tell me the Justice Dept. would appoint a Special Prosecutor investigating the POTUS if there wasn't enough hard evidence to justify doing so. Where this all leads, we'll find out.

 

[Tibs]

Because that's the way liberals act right now towards Trump supporters. Disrespectful. You included.

If I've been disrespectful, I apologize. I get attacked on this board pretty much non-stop, thus my defense mechanism kicks in, and I often go on counter attack. I will try to argue more on merit, as that may actually lead somewhere, as opposed to all the mudslinging.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Tim, a simple question. To offset the partisanship you accuse me of, why are you not upset about the allegations against Trump if similar allegations against the Clinton's were so upsetting to you? To display the type of consistency you claim I lack, I'd think you'd be leading the charge to get to the bottom of Trump-Russia collusion. If for no other reason than to allow him to clear his name.

I was never a defender of the Clinton's, say what you will. There were multiple inquiries into her affairs, including marathon, GOP led hearings on Benghazi. If her Russian connections, the Clinton foundation or her e-mail scandals were criminal in nature, why has she not been charged? If Obama didn't go after her, why doesn't Trump or Sessions?

I'll answer later, off to a basketball game for my kid.

 

[Tibs]

America first in trade with a goal of increased manufacturing in the U.S. (in Germany can do it, we can)
Immigration reform and enforcement
Lower corporate taxes to compete with Europe (E.U. has around 15%, we have 35%)
Tax reform and simplification
De-fund bloated federal programs and agencies that have grown faster than our GDP over the last Presidency
Either go back to old healthcare model or go all-in on single payer instead of the half-assed, social program, money draining, failing Obamacare

You may laugh, but I agree with all of these. You yourself call them concepts, and at this stage that's what they remain. I'm curious to see if Trump can pass substantive legislation on some or all of these measures. And I'm not talking about another slew of executive orders here.

Decisiveness and less political correctness when dealing with the Islamism threat

On this front I think Trump widely misses the mark and is possibly on the verge of sparking an increase in terrorism and contributing to more - not less - upheaval in the world, making it a more dangerous place for us all.

 

[Spike]

now, back to the subject

What has Trump Winning done?


#1 Beat Hillary like a dog and kept her from destroying America!

#1A Selecting Neil Gorsuch For The Supreme Court!

Canceling TPP

Restarting the exploration of gas and oil drilling and building new pipelines, Dakota and Keystone

Freezing all federal hiring outside of the military

Dismantling Obama’s climate change policies

Enforcing regulatory reform.

Defending Law enforcement.

Mandating for every new regulation to eliminate two.

Rebuilding the military.

Designated Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR as Terrorist Organizations

Single-handedly destroyed both the Bush and Clinton political machines

Saving brillions by getting out of the Paris Climate Ponzi scheme

Hiring 10,000 new border and deportation agents and the ones already there allowed to do their jobs - getting immigration to do their jobs by deporting illegal immigrants

Exposed the lying leftist media as Fake News outlets for the socialist propganda arm of the DNC

Immigration arrests up 38% nationwide under Trump

30,000+ Criminal Aliens Apprehended by ICE in 100 Days

Dozens of MS-13 gang members nabbed in 50 Los Angeles raids

Sanctuary cities lose access to federal grants that require complying with federal immigration law

Trump at NRA convention: 'Eight-year assault' on gun rights is over

Shutting down Obama's BLM loving, hating whitey ideology - Black College Leader: 'So Far, Trump a Step UP From Obama'

 

[IndySteel]

I get attacked on this board pretty much non-stop, thus my defense mechanism kicks in.

You get attacked because you're a ******* idiot troll. You suck at defense.

 

[Spike]

Trump set to make first moves at completely revamping the Federal Reserve

President Donald Trump appears ready to remake the Federal Reserve in an image that will be considerably different than what investors have known for many years.

The president is prepared to nominate Randal Quarles and Marvin Goodfriend to two of three vacancies at the central bank, according to multiple press accounts that have not been disputed by the administration. Quarles likely would assume the role vacated by Daniel Tarullo to oversee the nation's banking system.

Should Trump nominate the two men and they receive confirmation, it will represent the first steps in a possible substantial remaking of a Fed that has practiced ultra-loose monetary policy for the past decade but has been tight on banking regulations.

Trump will have the opportunity to name one more person now, then can fill two even more critical vacancies in 2018 — that of Chair Janet Yellen and Vice Chair Stanley Fischer.

If the Quarles and Goodfriend moves are indicators of what's to come, things could start getting less comfortable for Yellen. Both are considered solidly conservative, in line with the Republican president and Congress but perhaps not with Yellen.

"Clearly, these appointees are a significant departure from the crowd that we've had on the board," said Christopher Whalen, head of Whalen Global Advisors and a former investment banker and long-time financial analyst. "Yellen is probably the most left-wing Fed chair we've ever had. I also think both Quarles and Goodfriend have much better grounding in the financial markets. That would be refreshing."

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/05/trump-set-to-make-first-moves-at-completely-remaking-the-fed.html

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Drain them all!