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Today is the big day (IG Horowitz report)

As has been pointed out many times previously, yet ignored over and over again by the befuddled and deeply confused Trump base. Maybe it needs to be bolded, written in size 100 font and pinned to the top of the board.

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">IG Horowitz on the Steele Dossier sparking the Trump/Russia probe: "It had no impact. It was not known to the team that opened the investigation."</p>— Michael McAuliff (@mmcauliff) <a href="https://twitter.com/mmcauliff/status/1204829246008496129?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>
 
And to think Ivanka was banging Christopher Steele and kept it a secret this whole time? Trump truly has turned this presidency into a next-level reality tv show.

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CNBC: Ivanka Trump may have had 'personal' relationship with dossier author Steele <a href="https://t.co/9fsazwDLQZ">https://t.co/9fsazwDLQZ</a></p>— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/1204750502317174784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>
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https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...ttyjmKLAAUwEyTeg5JuorVgzyTgSUV3WJX2gwjPx0I6tc

Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz is set to testify Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee on his findings regarding alleged surveillance abuse during the 2016 election.

Horowitz's report, released Monday, found that the FBI's decision to open a probe into Trump campaign associates was not motivated by political bias. Still, the watchdog found “significant inaccuracies and omissions” in the FBI's application to the secretive court created by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) as part of its efforts to monitor former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.

The report opened up a high-profile split within the Department of Justice (DOJ), and Horowitz's dual findings have allowed lawmakers to cherry-pick their talking points, a dynamic that is expected to be on display during the hearing Wednesday. Democrats say the report shut down a conspiracy theory that the Trump campaign was "spied" on, while Republicans believe it backs up their assertion that the FBI abused its power.
 
Current CNN headline: Graham Pokes Holes in FBI Russia Investigation

This forum should be renamed “Alternative Reality”

You do understand what the word "airing" means. He's referring to what's on TV. You're referring to what's on their web page.

Speaking of alternative realities.
 
You do understand what the word "airing" means. He's referring to what's on TV. You're referring to what's on their web page.

Speaking of alternative realities.

And the relevance of not airing it on TV when they are posting coverage to their headline?

Who wants to watch hours of postgame? The fans of the losing team wanting to grouse about questionable, albeit inconsequential, penalties. Have fun.
 
And the relevance of not airing it on TV when they are posting coverage to their headline?

Who wants to watch hours of postgame? The fans of the losing team wanting to grouse about questionable, albeit inconsequential, penalties. Have fun.

You're taking the discussion down a different rabbit hole. As you typically do, you attempt to derail posters with your faulty logic. You stepped in it once again trying to indicate somehow CNN is "airing" the hearing because you first erroneously interpreted the poster's intent. And, as is typical, you're trying to walk it back.

CD's right. CNN isn't airing it. You were wrong trying to indicate they are.

By all means, walk it back some more.
 
You're taking the discussion down a different rabbit hole. As you typically do, you attempt to derail posters with your faulty logic. You stepped in it once again trying to indicate somehow CNN is "airing" the hearing because you first erroneously interpreted the poster's intent. And, as is typical, you're trying to walk it back.

CD's right. CNN isn't airing it. You were wrong trying to indicate they are.

By all means, walk it back some more.

Not at all. You’re claiming his intent was something other than to suggest CNN wasn’t covering hearing? Relevance, Tim, relevance.
 
And the relevance of not airing it on TV when they are posting coverage to their headline?

Who wants to watch hours of postgame? The fans of the losing team wanting to grouse about questionable, albeit inconsequential, penalties. Have fun.

well, damn if you didnt just sum up the Left's actions and reactions from losing the 2016 election. way to go, Tardodyte.
 
And the relevance of not airing it on TV when they are posting coverage to their headline?

Who wants to watch hours of postgame? The fans of the losing team wanting to grouse about questionable, albeit inconsequential, penalties. Have fun.

Gee....I don't know.....perhaps because it's a little harder to shape a narrative when Republicans are up there for 45 minutes talking uncensored than it is to write a slanted ******* story on your web site and shape it any way you please.

Mysteriously the headline on CNN's site is now back to Guiliani and the possible theoretical improprieties he may be involved in. Narrative shaped.
 
All I’m gonna say is this. The FBI is, in fact, corrupt. That should concern everyone, Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Greens, everyone. Based on what I have read in the report and gleaned from the hearings, there were about 20 acts of impropriety listed by the IG directly related to this investigation. And they did this in an effort to overthrow the will of the people. Sure, people can dress it up any way they wasn’t, but it is undeniable what this is and was. Yeah, for some, they were simply taking out a bad orange man, so it’s all good. To me, this is chilling. Apparently our government and it’s institutions are ******* rotten to the core. How could anyone trust any of them to ever do anything that isn’t criminally self-serving, sneaky, lying and manipulative? Apparently it is past time to refresh the tree of Liberty. They have gotten fat on their own corruption.

If the FBI is willing to do this to the duly elected President of the United States, what would they do to you?
 
All I’m gonna say is this. The FBI is, in fact, corrupt. That should concern everyone, Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Greens, everyone. Based on what I have read in the report and gleaned from the hearings, there were about 20 acts of impropriety listed by the IG directly related to this investigation. And they did this in an effort to overthrow the will of the people. Sure, people can dress it up any way they wasn’t, but it is undeniable what this is and was. Yeah, for some, they were simply taking out a bad orange man, so it’s all good. To me, this is chilling. Apparently our government and it’s institutions are ******* rotten to the core. How could anyone trust any of them to ever do anything that isn’t criminally self-serving, sneaky, lying and manipulative? Apparently it is past time to refresh the tree of Liberty. They have gotten fat on their own corruption.

If the FBI is willing to do this to the duly elected President of the United States, what would they do to you?

All of this would still be in the closet if it hadn't of been for their hatred of Trump.
 
All of this would still be in the closet if it hadn't of been for their hatred of Trump.

Yep. Thanks to Trump these rats outed themselves. What swamp? Where? It's a Trump conspiracy! I don't see nuffin'
 
Not at all. You’re claiming his intent was something other than to suggest CNN wasn’t covering hearing? Relevance, Tim, relevance.

He specifically said CNN isn't AIRING it. You switched gears to web coverage.

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All I’m gonna say is this. The FBI is, in fact, corrupt. That should concern everyone, Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Greens, everyone. Based on what I have read in the report and gleaned from the hearings, there were about 20 acts of impropriety listed by the IG directly related to this investigation. And they did this in an effort to overthrow the will of the people. Sure, people can dress it up any way they wasn’t, but it is undeniable what this is and was. Yeah, for some, they were simply taking out a bad orange man, so it’s all good. To me, this is chilling. Apparently our government and it’s institutions are ******* rotten to the core. How could anyone trust any of them to ever do anything that isn’t criminally self-serving, sneaky, lying and manipulative? Apparently it is past time to refresh the tree of Liberty. They have gotten fat on their own corruption.

If the FBI is willing to do this to the duly elected President of the United States, what would they do to you?

And we have yet to hear from Durham, which is going to be much worse. Clapper and Brennan are in the crosshairs. And it may go higher.
 
All I’m gonna say is this. The FBI is, in fact, corrupt. That should concern everyone, Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Greens, everyone. Based on what I have read in the report and gleaned from the hearings, there were about 20 acts of impropriety listed by the IG directly related to this investigation. And they did this in an effort to overthrow the will of the people. Sure, people can dress it up any way they wasn’t, but it is undeniable what this is and was. Yeah, for some, they were simply taking out a bad orange man, so it’s all good. To me, this is chilling. Apparently our government and it’s institutions are ******* rotten to the core. How could anyone trust any of them to ever do anything that isn’t criminally self-serving, sneaky, lying and manipulative? Apparently it is past time to refresh the tree of Liberty. They have gotten fat on their own corruption.

If the FBI is willing to do this to the duly elected President of the United States, what would they do to you?

Chilling is right. Chilling & dangerous precedent it sets for the future of our country. Political warfare is becoming as close to dangerous as traditional warfare.

And they're all going to get a slap on the wrist. No real accountability for these swamp creatures means it's going to happen again. And as Lindsey Graham said today, this really isn't about Trump, this is about the future of the political landscape of our country.
 
The behavior by the FBI is so ridiculously bad that even MSM is talking about it.
 
reading the report now...

page 9 has an interesting tidbit, considering we've been told that POTUS should not use their power for political motives.

Steele's handling agent told us t hat when Steele provided him with the first electio n reports in July 2016 and described his engagement with Fusion GPS, it was obvious to him that the request for the research was politicall y motivated .

page 10...
We also found that the FBI did not aggressively seek to obtain certain potentially important information from Steele. For example, the FBI did not press Steele for information about the actual funding source for his election reporting work.

page 11...
The application received the necessary Department approvals and certifications as required by law. As we fully describe in Chapter Five, this application received more attention a nd scrutiny than a typical FISA application in terms of the additional layers of review and number of high-level officials who read the application before it was signed. These officials included NSD's Acti ng Assistant Attorney General, NSD's Deputy Assistant Attorney General with oversight over 01, 01's Operations Section Chief and Deputy Section Chief, the DAG, Principal Associate Deputy Attorney General, and the Associate Deputy Attorney General responsible for ODAG's national security portfolio. However, as we explain below, the Department decision makers who supported and approved the application were not given all relevant information.

why is this not being discussed?
Compromising information about Hillary Clinton had been compiled for many years, was controlled by the Kremlin, and had been fed by the Kremlin to the Trump campaign for an extended period of time....

Russia released the DNC emails to Wikileaks in an attempt to swing voters to Trump

page 12
BI leadership supported relying on Steele's reporting to seek a FISA order o n Page after being advised of, and giving considerat ion to, concerns expressed by Stuart Evans, then NSD's Deputy Assistant Attorney General with oversight responsibility over QI, that Steele may have been hired by someone associated with presidential candidate Clinton or the DNC, and that the fo reign intelligence to be collected through the FISA order would probably not be worth the "risk" of being criticized later for collecting communications of someone (Carter Page) who was "politically sensitive.

BI leadership supported relying on Steele's reporting to seek a FISA order o n Page after being advised of, and giving considerat ion to, concerns expressed by Stuart Evans, then NSD's Deputy Assistant Attorney General with oversight responsibility over QI, that Steele may have been hired by someone associated with presidential candidate Clinton or the DNC, and that the fo reign intelligence to be collected through the FISA order would probably not be worth the "risk" of being criticized later for collecting communications of someone (Carter Page) who was "politically sensitive.

Due to Evans's persistent inquiries, the FI SA application also included a footnote, developed by QI based on information provided by the Crossfire Hurricane team, to address Evans's concern about the potential political bias of Steele's research. The footnote stated that Steele was hired by an identified U.S. person (Glenn Simpson) to conduct research regarding "Candidat e #l's" ( Donald Trump) ties to Russia and that the FBI "speculates" that this U.S. person was li kely looking for information that could be used to discredit the Trump campaign.

Our review found that FBI personnel fell far short of the requirement in FBI policy that they ensure that all factual statements in a FISA application are "scrupulously accurate." We identified multiple instances in w hich factual assertions relied upon in the first FI SA application were in accurate, incomplete, or unsupported by appropriate documentation, based upon information the FBI had in its possession at the time the application was filed. We found that the problems we identified were primarily caused by the Crossfire Hurricane team failing to share all re levant information with QI and, consequently, t he information was not consid ered by the Department decision makers who ultimately decided to support t he applications.

As more fully described in Chapter Five, based upon the information known to the FBI in October 2016, the first application contained the followi ng seven significant inaccuracies and omissions:

1. Omitted information the FBI had obtained from another U.S. government agency detailing its prio r relationship with Page, including that Page had been approved as an "operational contact" for the other agency from 2008 to 2013, and that Page had provided information to the other agency concerning his prior contacts with certain Russian intelligence office rs, one of which overlapped with facts asserted in the FISA application;

2. Included a source characterization statement asserting that Steele's prior reporting had been "corroborated and used in criminal proceedings,"
which overstated the significance of Steele's past reporting and was not approved by Steele's handling agent, as required by the Woods Procedures;

3. Omitted information relevant to the reliability of Person 1, a key Steele sub-source (who was attributed with providing the information in Report 95 and some of the information in Reports 80 and 102 relied upon in the application), namely that ( 1) Steele himself told members of the Crossfire Hurricane team that Person 1 was a "boaster" and an "egoist" and "may engage in some embellishment" and (2) the FBI had opened a counterintelligence investigation on Person 1 a few days before the FISA application was filed;

4. Asserted that the FBI had assessed that Steele did not directly provide to the press information in the September 23 Yahoo News article based on the premise that Steele had told the FBI that he only shared his election-related research with the FBI and Fusion GPS, his client; t his premise was incorrect and contradicted by documentation in the Woods File-Steele had told the FBI that he also gave his information to the State Department;

5. Omitted Papadopoulos's consensually monitored statements to an FBI CHS in September 2016 denying that anyone associated wit h the Trum p campaign was collaborating with Russia or with outside groups like Wikileaks in the release of emails;

6. Omitted Page's consensually monitored statements to an FBI CHS in August 2016 that Page had "literally never met" or "said one word to" Paul Manafort and that Manafort had not responded to any of Page's emails; if true, those statements were in tension with claims in Report 95 that Page was participating in a conspiracy with Russia by acting as an intermediary for Manafort on behalf of the Trump campaign; and

7. Included Page's consensually monitored statements to an FBI CHS in October 2016 that the FBI believed supported its theory that Page was an agent of Russia but omitted other statements Page made that were inconsistent with its theory, including denying having met with Sechin and Divyekin, or even knowing who Divyekin was; if true, those statements contradicted the claims in Report 94 that Page had met secretly with Sechin and Divyekin about future cooperation with Russia and shared derogatory information about candidate Clinton.

None of these inaccuracies and omissions were brought to the attention of OI before the last FISA application was filed in June 2017. Consequently, these failures were repeated in all three renewal applications. Further, as we discuss lat er, we identified 10 additional significant errors in the renewal applications.

I don't see how anyone can read past the first 12-14 pages and not see that this was in fact a witch hunt.
 
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