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I think I posted in another thread on this. In my opinion I think Colbert really shined when he worked with Cowher and that it may have been more of an influence from Cowher. Remember too that when Kevin was hired to replace Tom Donahue, Bill was pretty firmly entrenched as the head coach and I think he wanted to be more influential in personnel. The aggressiveness to move up and snag Troy, a playmaker they had to have to make LeBeau's defense be more successful. Then they moved up to grab Santonio to compliment Hines. Bill and Colbert whether it was more Cowher weren't afraid to be aggressive, but now we just sit on our hands and never seem to be aggressive. We don't seem to want to do whatever it takes to go after a talent thats needed to help this defense. No, we sit there and take a guy like Edmunds who may turn out to be a good player, but taken much too early.
I agree he should take SOME heat but not all.
Pretty sure that is the equivalent of liking your own posts on facebook.
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Yeah, "group decision". Cowher : "What about this guy?" Rooney "We need to take Ben". Cowher: "OK"...lol
Stick with reading comprehension. I said "better", not great.
Are you telling me over Cowher's tenure, there was no decent QB available or, at least, better than Kent Graham or Jim Miller? Maybe, a Drew Brees or some slacker like that?
it, actually, is easy. What QB's were signed the year we signed Kent Graham? I know one of those has a SB ring....
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But it IS what is being compared. Cowher, finally, got a QB and won the SB. A SB that was a "group decision", when Rooney told them it was.
The TEAM won a SB and playoff games. Not Ben, not Cowher's D, the Team. That amazing team, the next year, went 8-8 because it was missing one player. Why? They didn't just not win the SB, they didn't even make the playoffs. Did Cowher forget how to coach? Did those cowher players forget how to play? They won another SB, but someone had to coach them there, they were not pre-ordained to win another SB.
That is why the "Cowher's players: **** is just that, ****. Those players did not win a SB until Rooney told them they were making a "group decision" to draft Ben.
Why didn't he have a better QB over all of those years, than he had.
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you mean, 6 AFC Championship GAMEs, not AFC Championships as we did not go to the SB six times under Cowher.
accurate...you actually replied to yourself to agree with yourself, now THAT is cute.
When Ben hangs up his cleats, all of Tomlin's apologists will get to see just how awful of a coach he really is. I can guarantee you that Tomlin could not have the same results that Cowher had with the roster he had to do it with. Tomlin can't even sniff a SB now with a HOF QB, a great OL, 2 pro-bowl receivers, and a great RB (Bell up thru last year). Why, because the #1 defense he inherited has turned to absolute **** under his watch as we try to run his vastly overrated Cover-2 defense. But Tomlin gets no blame for continuing to run a defensive scheme that is beyond unsuccessful.
It’s called a mistake and I’m sure you are the type of person who thinks you don’t make any and know it all. It was supposed to be in reply to slash making a comment about Tomlin deserves half the blame.
Lighten up Francis, it's called a freaking joke.
We have one of the best even with our right tackle becoming a revolving door this year.
There weren't any QBs, go back and look at where we drafted and what QBs were there. Colleges weren't running as many pro offenses then, the NFL wasn't pass happy and all the rules geared towards offense, so you didn't have QBs able to just step in right away and play.
By the way, Noll didn't want Franco Harris, he liked Robert Newhouse.
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So you know what was said? Are you calling Rooney a liar? Talk about reading comprehension you think you know what happened without one shred of evidence. Nothing but your own imagination. Yea, stick with that Mrs. Cleo.
Cowher had O'Donnell for 4 or 5 years. He had Kordell for several years. Then Ben for 3 years. They went to the playoffs and the AFCC game with Kordell. I'm sure you were a Kordell apologist back then. Also I don't remember you or any other Tomlin nuthugger mentioning Brees during the draft. Wonder why? I bet you wanted Brady too but didn't share it with the rest of the class.
I'll start looking through the FA and the draft during Tomlin's 12 years... I bet I can find a few he didn't draft. It's bullshit and you know it.
So 1-2 weeks out removes where they have been all season? This is one of the best OL in the league without question.
True but our online is the least of our problem. They are still in the top.
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Really, Tomlin gets no blame? Do you not read the board? I don't get the "tomlin couldn't do it with the same roster". How do you know? Cowher didn't HAVE to do it with that roster, either. He helped put together that roster and is just as responsible for not getting over the hump into the SB that Tomlin is. When teams could play Defense, you didn't need a HoF QB. you needed QB's better than people like Kent Graham, Jim Miller and Mike Tomszack.
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I guess it's just a coincidence that Tomlin had all his playoff successes in the first few years of his tenure with Cowhers players and all his many failures since 2010 with his own players and with Ben at the peak of his powers ? Old Mikey is just not that good.
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Tomlin has a better talent today across the board and produces fewer results...that is all there is to say. To argue otherwise makes no sense. Tomlin's record over the last 10 years in the post season says it all. Teams still do play defense and win without having a HOF QB. The Jags did it last year with Blake Bortles at QB, the Ravens are winning this year with a great defense and Lamar Jackson at QB. There is ALWAYS an excuse for Tomlin, each and every year, with each and every failure as to why he is not to blame for anything. The more Tomlin has put his "seal" on this defense the worse it gets, yet people want to blame Butler...again, he will be a scape goat for Tomlin. If the Rooney's were smart they would make Tomlin fire Butler and take over calling the defense himself. I would bet that NOTHING would change but maybe once and for all Tomlin MIGHT be held accountable for something.
You still needed a top notch QB because teams were allowed to play defense, it was harder to throw then. Aikmanx3 Young, Favre, Elwayx2, Warner. The QBs that won Super Bowls in the 90's after Cowher took over, looks like a HOF list to me.
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