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Yeah because nfl owners always come out with public preseason ultimatums for their teams' coaching staffs, happens all the time
Tomlin....he's driving a proud organization straight in to the ground.
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Yeah because nfl owners always come out with public preseason ultimatums for their teams' coaching staffs, happens all the time
Did you know: the Patriots are last in the league in penalty yardage (meaning they've had more penalties in yards than any other team) and are last in the league on offense in terms of average yards per play.
And for the last 44 years the Rooneys have been the most patient owners in history. Not replacing their coaches after losing seasons let alone after non losing one's but yet there are numerous fire Tomlin threads and posts everyday.
They weren't that good BEFORE they were down 3 starters.
You really know how to ruin my day.
Hmmm... smart aleck answer without much thought.
Let me explain it to you. NFL owners let you know that their coaches are on the hot seat by dropping hints to the media either themselves or through the team's media "source". There is also the dreaded "vote of confidence".
I am sure that you have seen both used in the past by NFL owners either in preseason, during the season or right before firing the coach.
However, if it will make your boo boo feel better, I'll restate: I keep hearing this ...yet not from the Rooneys, anyone in the organization or even the media.
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Thanks bucky, my boo boo feels much better now
No problem Skippy ... let me know if it starts aching again
Lets just face it,, we been 8-8 two seasons in a row... We are deathly afraid of 1982 - 1992 repeating itself. That's it.. Images of weegie Thompson, & Mark Malone... (shudders)
Coach Cool Shades isn't going anywhere for a LOOOOONG time. Get used to it.
Coach Cool Shades isn't going anywhere for a LOOOOONG time. Get used to it.
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what the F__K, the guy is 2-1 hasn't played the fourth game yet and someone wants to fire him? Glad I'm not an employee of theirs..... One poster has a very good thought, why FIRE him if he is starting to move up, in his ability, as a Head Coach? As usual, the wait and see is the way to go. Last year, we were 0-3 at this time, lets see where this season takes us. Most here agree, our draft picks are looking better than usual. Ben R. Is having a decent year, our defense is moving up (I hope). We are on a bright side note, why fire him?
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It might have to do with the fact that Coach Cool Shades went from Super Bowl winner to Super Bowl loser to getting knocked out of the playoffs by Tim Tebow to back-to-back 8-8 seasons. The arrow is pointing down, so to speak. But like I said, he isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
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I agree, and yes his past is what it is. But the Rooneys are slow shakers and the shades help lessen the shake.
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At that time he was not doing much as far as I could tell to add to the team, he appeared lost. There seems to be a big difference between the man we had at head coach now and the same man then. He has developed, his latest draft seems much better than what hindsight tells us he had before, big difference. His activities along the sideline of late seem to indicate a much greater grasp and understanding than was evident before. Point is the guy we started with was an undeveloped coach if we let him go then he would have still been an undeveloped coach. Now he appears to have progressed and maybe getting to the point of becoming a good coach. I would hate to see an individual released coach or player when he finally has the experience needed to become a difference maker.
This thread is funny.
Same ol' crap - every week, every month, every year - BECAUSE THE STEELERS CAN'T GO TO THE SUPERBOWL EVERY YEAR!
Here's a reminder of why...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...urgh-steelers-injury-woes-summed-one-sentence
Get the sand out of your vaginas and face reality.
Same ol' crap - every week, every month, every year - BECAUSE THE STEELERS CAN'T GO TO THE SUPERBOWL EVERY YEAR!
Here's a reminder of why...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...urgh-steelers-injury-woes-summed-one-sentence
Get the sand out of your vaginas and face reality.
Yeh I'll have to admit Berm, we seem to get oblivious to the injury factor...and I ain't got no sand in my vagina, you can ask my wife.
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I love the fact that every person who hates Tomlin has suddenly become an expert in the art facial expression reading. In every one of these threads I read that he "looks lost" at least 10 times based on his face. You people are obviously wasting your time here and should be providing your mind reading talents to the FBI or Homeland Security.
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Exactly and also funny as H@ll. People who think they can tell me what I'm thinking, by reading my expression, are f__K__g ridiculous. Same goes for our Coach face reading. I bet I can follow the any individuals for 3hrs and snap shots of them looking dumb / lost / happy / expertly / you get the drift. YOU aren't there in his person, so you are out of context. Some people have a "lost" look 24-7, but can be genius's. Point being, you see an expression, in a nano second of time, decipher to your perception, 99% wrong.
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Listen I'm not saying Tomlin is a fantastic coach. Here is what I believe and what I have always believed about football. Head Coach is by far the most overrated position on any team when it comes to wins and loses. The Head Coach is the "pep talk" guy, he's the figurehead. He doesn't run the offensive or defensive schemes in almost all situations. The Coordinators do that. Granted he will give suggestions on what he wants done, but as far as the nuts and bolts of scheme and play calling, he hires guys to do that part. Anyone who has ever played football knows that the Head Coach is the "rah rah" guy who basically gives the Pre and Post Game pep talks and has to talk to the media. In practice he walks around and "oversees" the other coaches while they actually coach the players and maybe barks something out once in awhile.
Players, the GM and the Coordinators account for about 99% of whether and team wins and the Head Coach is about 1%. Again it's just my opinion but that's why I never have had the urge to get involved in "this or that coach needs to be fired immediately" talk. Sign a couple of top notch free agents and draft a couple stud players and watch how much smarter the Head Coach gets by doing essentially nothing different than he ever has before. All of a sudden people love the coach again and he's a genius. If you have the horses, the Head Coach wins and is a genius, if you have **** players, he's a dunce and needs fired. A bad coach will win with great players. The greatest coach in the world will lose with **** players. End of story. It makes me laugh when people get so upset at a Head Coach and believe he is the primary reason a team wins or loses.
His effect is miniscule in the scheme of things. The Head Coach's largest effect on a team is at a podium on press conference day.
Players, the GM and the Coordinators account for about 99% of whether and team wins and the Head Coach is about 1%. Again it's just my opinion but that's why I never have had the urge to get involved in "this or that coach needs to be fired immediately" talk. Sign a couple of top notch free agents and draft a couple stud players and watch how much smarter the Head Coach gets by doing essentially nothing different than he ever has before. All of a sudden people love the coach again and he's a genius. If you have the horses, the Head Coach wins and is a genius, if you have **** players, he's a dunce and needs fired. A bad coach will win with great players. The greatest coach in the world will lose with **** players. End of story. It makes me laugh when people get so upset at a Head Coach and believe he is the primary reason a team wins or loses.
His effect is miniscule in the scheme of things. The Head Coach's largest effect on a team is at a podium on press conference day.
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I am not ready to buy into the coach position being overhyped.
Great coaches*
*get the most out of each player/team and continue with winning seasons long after a coordinator is gone
* take a perennial losing franchise and make them a continual winner
* get you a SB win when you haven't sniffed one in years or ever
* put the players in the best spot to succeed, identify their strengths and weaknesses. Maximize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses
* make vital decisions on who to keep and who to let go
* a bad coach can ride a good coach's coattail for a season or two, but will eventually show his skills or lack of
Sure even good coaches have hickups, but more often than not round their team up and get them back on the winning track.
I was a Tomlin supporter for the longest time, but as was mentioned this team continues to digress. and we know who is ultimately responsible for the organization of the team, the coach. He has the power, what he does with it? either restocks a team or lets them fall by the waist side.
The tendencies from him that is alarming:
Playing down to competition which screams unfocused
Mass of penalties seasons to seasons which screams undisciplined
Lack of half time adjustments which screams a lack of X and O ability
which often gets me screaming on Sundays, and I have high blood pressure
Great coaches*
*get the most out of each player/team and continue with winning seasons long after a coordinator is gone
* take a perennial losing franchise and make them a continual winner
* get you a SB win when you haven't sniffed one in years or ever
* put the players in the best spot to succeed, identify their strengths and weaknesses. Maximize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses
* make vital decisions on who to keep and who to let go
* a bad coach can ride a good coach's coattail for a season or two, but will eventually show his skills or lack of
Sure even good coaches have hickups, but more often than not round their team up and get them back on the winning track.
I was a Tomlin supporter for the longest time, but as was mentioned this team continues to digress. and we know who is ultimately responsible for the organization of the team, the coach. He has the power, what he does with it? either restocks a team or lets them fall by the waist side.
The tendencies from him that is alarming:
Playing down to competition which screams unfocused
Mass of penalties seasons to seasons which screams undisciplined
Lack of half time adjustments which screams a lack of X and O ability
which often gets me screaming on Sundays, and I have high blood pressure
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I might not go as low as 1%, but you're basically right. The Steelers have done things as a team since Dan Rooney took over from his dad. This includes player procurement, strategy, staff, etc. No one person pulls all the strings. They would never admit it, but the Steelers are rebuilding. Unlike most teams however, we don't collapse while doing this, we remain fairly competitive. The Steelers have lost more than 10 games only once since the 1-13 debacle in 1969 (5-11 in 1988). That is beyond amazing, but it has spoiled the fan base beyond belief. I can't imagine how it would be if we ever hit the wall, they way they finally did in Cleveland (The city of Cleveland pretty much never had any long periods of awful football from the Rams championship in 1945, up until the Browns moved. They know how the other half lives now, don't they).
This period reminds me of the late 90's. Drafting was spotty during the first 5-6 years of the Cowher era, and it caught up to us by the late 90's. However, while fans were crying for Cowher's head, the drafting quietly improved. By 2001, unheralded draft picks like Hines, Aaron Smith, and Joey Porter were blossoming, and the team began to win again, even with qbs like Kordell, and Maddox. We may be in a similar spot right now, especially if the o-line really begins to gel.
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I agree, those are all definite problems. Now let's look at what a Head Coach can do to fix it.
1) Playing down to the competition which screams unfocused = Better Pep Talks leading up to the game
2) Mass of Penalties which screams undisciplined = Better Pep Talks during the game
3) Lack of Half time adjustments which screams lack of X's and O's = Coordinators are the X's and O's guys. The Head Coach typically doesn't deal much in them. However, he CAN give....Better Pep Talks at Halftime.
This is exactly my point about a Head Coach being a figurehead. Vastly overrated in the grand scheme of winning and losing. Pep talks are great for high school kids. Even by the time they hit college, players have pretty much started to tune them out, let alone guys in their late 20's and early 30's.
Unfocused and Undisciplined players are the cause of being unfocused and undisciplined. You need team leaders to set the example of how to go to work every day and how it's done. A coach can yell and scream about it all he wants but it won't do dick if there is nobody in uniform to reinforce it and push other guys to do it. It would have a much greater effect on the team if guys like Ben and Antonio berated everyone in the locker room to get their **** together like a Bettis or Ward would do in years past. I just don't know if Ben and Antonio are those kinds of leaders.
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Don't get made at fans who haven't made peace with mediocrity like you. It's not about going to the Superbiwl every year.
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