Tomlin sucks thread 11/6/16

[slashsteel]

Whose fault is it that these trends continue?

how does anyone think they are going to change with a coach set in his ways?


tha is why you get rid of a coach not keep him...........

 

[chipped ham]

Of course we did, and he was roundly criticized for it. Cowher definitely had his faults, mainly that he was too loyal to some players once they got past their prime. But Cowher also showed an ability most of the time to make ingame adjustments, we didn't have the stupid penalties at NEARLY the rate we do now, and we didn't consistently lose to sub 500 teams. Cowher would also accept personal blame and responsibility, which is something I've NEVER seen Tomlin do. Cowher's defenses were consistently one of the best in the NFL, under Mike, we get worse and worse. Oh, and until the end, Cowher didn't have a Hall of Fame QB, which Tomlin has had the entire time. Cowher wasn't perfect, but he was light years better than Tomlin.

Today was rough in the penalty department, but before today, the Steelers averaged roughly 5-6 penalties a game. I don't exactly know how that stacks up, comparatively, around the league, but that is the number.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Let me add that the Steelers were giving up early in the game and running draw plays on third and manageable. If you think that is playing winning football then I give up.

So again giving the ball to your all pro RB is giving up. And again those plays can be checked out of. Apparently they were deemed acceptable by the QB at the line of scrimmage

 

[slashsteel]

So as long as the Steelers show up and don't mess up the plays, they should work 100 percent of the time, regardless of what their opponent is doing? Did you see what Baltimore was doing to the Steelers up front this week or just about every time these two teams have played over the past three or four years. Harbaugh knows how to beat the Steelers and Tomlin can't figure it out. Then again, I suppose the players just fail to execute every time the Steelers play the Ravens.

Harbaugh is a better X and O coach. He can make adjustments.

 

[antdrewjosh]

So as long as the Steelers show up and don't mess up the plays, they should work 100 percent of the time, regardless of what their opponent is doing? Did you see what Baltimore was doing to the Steelers up front this week or just about every time these two teams have played over the past three or four years. Harbaugh knows how to beat the Steelers and Tomlin can't figure it out. Then again, I suppose the players just fail to execute every time the Steelers play the Ravens.

Except when we beat them and we had the upper hand in the series under Tomlin..

 

[Ron Burgundy]

So as long as the Steelers show up and don't mess up the plays, they should work 100 percent of the time, regardless of what their opponent is doing? Did you see what Baltimore was doing to the Steelers up front this week or just about every time these two teams have played over the past three or four years. Harbaugh knows how to beat the Steelers and Tomlin can't figure it out. Then again, I suppose the players just fail to execute every time the Steelers play the Ravens.

It did seem that they spent three quarters running the ball after it became clear that the Ratbirds were easily stopping the run. Then in the fourth quarter Ben was passing pretty good when it was obvious that he WOULD be passing. Only rational explanation I have is that they were trying to protect Ben from being hit too much.

 

[SteelerFan448]

So Brown lining up wrong is a repetitive issue? This was the first highly penalized game of the season.

Umm..

6 penalties for 65 yards against the Dolphins
10 penalties for 85 yards against the Patriots
13 penalties for 99 yards against the Ravens

So again giving the ball to your all pro RB is giving up. And again those plays can be checked out of. Apparently they were deemed acceptable by the QB at the line of scrimmage

Um, yes. Especially when it's not third and short. You expect Bell to get 8-10 yards to convert a third down. Amazed the rest of the NFL head coaches aren't giving the ball to their running backs in this situation since it's so successful.

 

[bmoritz]

You know what, I'm done. Obviously Mike Tomlin is a football God who never does anything wrong. He has the team completely 100% prepared every single week, and all praise for good plays goes to him, while no responsibility for bad things are to be laid at his feet. He is the greatest coach in the history of football, and if these dumb multi millionaire players would stop screwing everything up, we'd be undefeated for the next decade. It's Ben's fault, Haley's fault, Butler's fault, Brown's fault, Lebeau's fault, Polamalu's fault, Colbert's fault, the towel boy's fault, but NOTHING is Tomlin's fault.

Of course I'm being overdramatic, but I'm dead serious, that is how some of you guys are sounding.

 

[Omar10213245]

What how you go from talking about Ben to all of that?? Please for all you name please name one instance where a Mike Tomlin decision cost us a ball game. I mean where it was the most important issue in a loss.

Jesus Christ, wake up man! Blink, wake up, something! Have you not been paying attention for the last 6 seasons??? How can you not see the obvious???

 

[stillwright]

We don't care who accepts blame we want fixing results

and these trends are not being fixed

which falls directly on the head coach


who is responsible to fix them

Common factors in us losing to bad teams:
1. Tomlin
2. Ben


Of the 2 who do you can make the biggest difference in a games outcome?



I will go with our best player. If he plays better in these games we most likely win them.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Except when we beat them and we had the upper hand in the series under Tomlin..

"Had." That's not helping them win games this year. That's not helping them get into the playoffs or get a first round bye. Baltimore owns the Steelers right now and they don't care what happened 5 years ago.

It did seem that they spent three quarters running the ball after it became clear that the Ratbirds were easily stopping the run. Then in the fourth quarter Ben was passing pretty good when it was obvious that he WOULD be passing. Only rational explanation I have is that they were trying to protect Ben from being hit too much.

No clue what they were doing. The yards came in garbage time, which is pretty standard when teams are down 21 points. Problem is that it can snowball out of control and it almost did.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Umm..

6 penalties for 65 yards against the Dolphins
10 penalties for 85 yards against the Patriots
13 penalties for 99 yards against the Ravens



Um, yes. Especially when it's not third and short. You expect Bell to get 8-10 yards to convert a third down. Amazed the rest of the NFL head coaches aren't giving the ball to their running backs in this situation since it's so successful.

Forgot about the Patriots game please forgive me

It was 3rd and 4 when they ran the draw play.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Jesus Christ, wake up man! Blink, wake up, something! Have you not been paying attention for the last 6 seasons??? How can you not see the obvious???

So instead of being a dramatic little ***** why don't you answer the question

 

[chipped ham]

Forgot about the Patriots game please forgive me

It was 3rd and 4 when they ran the draw play.

I also believe the draw came in that little no huddle sequence in the first half. No huddle is Ben's domain, that call is on him.

 

[slashsteel]

Common factors in us losing to bad teams:
1. Tomlin
2. Ben


Of the 2 who do you can make the biggest difference in a games outcome?



I will go with our best player. If he plays better in these games we most likely win them.

so you agree Tomlin and Ben is the greatest factor.

k We aren't getting rid of a franchise QB

we need a new coach to guide the franchise down the correcting path


it's so simple even a caveman would understand it

ugh change approach new coach

ugh trends change

we can't fall down a cliff expecting to land on our feet

 

[SteelerFan448]

Forgot about the Patriots game please forgive me

It was 3rd and 4 when they ran the draw play.

Don't forget about this one. Tone was set early.

3rd and 9 at PIT 26
(14:05 - 1st) (Shotgun) L.Bell left tackle to PIT 28 for 2 yards (T.Jernigan; E.Weddle)

 

[slashsteel]

So instead of being a dramatic little ***** why don't you answer the question

and yet you didn't answer the trend questions

who is responsible for them to change?

 

[stillwright]

You know what, I'm done. Obviously Mike Tomlin is a football God who never does anything wrong. He has the team completely 100% prepared every single week, and all praise for good plays goes to him, while no responsibility for bad things are to be laid at his feet. He is the greatest coach in the history of football, and if these dumb multi millionaire players would stop screwing everything up, we'd be undefeated for the next decade. It's Ben's fault, Haley's fault, Butler's fault, Brown's fault, Lebeau's fault, Polamalu's fault, Colbert's fault, the towel boy's fault, but NOTHING is Tomlin's fault.

Of course I'm being overdramatic, but I'm dead serious, that is how some of you guys are sounding.

Or some of just think the play of players has a bigger effect on the outcome of a game then what our HC does. You know because they are out there playing the game. I just don't know if Ben's play is any different even if we have a different HC at this point. It is why I think this is a hump that he himself has to get over for us to because an elite team. You just can't play like **** against bad teams when you are a top QB in the league.

 

[awboatguy]

Sounds like we're talking about Rex Ryan. Sad our team has gotten to this point. Tomlin is NOT a top tier NFL coach. He has had some success despite his inabilities to make in game adjustments and prepare a game plan to punish lesser talented teams. He just isn't a McCarthy, Belicheat, Rivera, or Harbaugh when it comes to controlling his players or getting them to perform to the level expected. He's weak! It's just a sad time in the Nation.

 

[antdrewjosh]

You know what, I'm done. Obviously Mike Tomlin is a football God who never does anything wrong. He has the team completely 100% prepared every single week, and all praise for good plays goes to him, while no responsibility for bad things are to be laid at his feet. He is the greatest coach in the history of football, and if these dumb multi millionaire players would stop screwing everything up, we'd be undefeated for the next decade. It's Ben's fault, Haley's fault, Butler's fault, Brown's fault, Lebeau's fault, Polamalu's fault, Colbert's fault, the towel boy's fault, but NOTHING is Tomlin's fault.

Of course I'm being overdramatic, but I'm dead serious, that is how some of you guys are sounding.

So when we win who made it happen?? And again I implore you to find one quote from me saying he is the best coach ever. Just one..find it. I mean it should be so many since I obviously feel this way. SMH.

Players Play. And our best player is Ben when he play like **** so do we. Same as every other team who best player is the QB. Brees Rogers etc etc when they suck usually the offense sucks

 

[bmoritz]

So instead of being a dramatic little ***** why don't you answer the question

With all due respect, when will you answer the question I posed? What do you hold Tomlin accountable for? Please don't deflect about others, they have to answer too, I agree. But what do you hold the head coach accountable for? Has HIS personal performance over the last 6-7 years been acceptable for the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers?

 

[antdrewjosh]

and yet you didn't answer the trend questions

who is responsible for them to change?

The players

 

[stillwright]

Don't forget about this one. Tone was set early.

3rd and 9 at PIT 26
(14:05 - 1st) (Shotgun) L.Bell left tackle to PIT 28 for 2 yards (T.Jernigan; E.Weddle)

Again.....there is something called an audible. Ben either audibled into the run or he could of easily audibled out of the play. Pretty simple either way.

 

[SteelerFan448]

With all due respect, when will you answer the question I posed? What do you hold Tomlin accountable for? Please don't deflect about others, they have to answer too, I agree. But what do you hold the head coach accountable for? Has HIS personal performance over the last 6-7 years been acceptable for the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers?

He answered above. Basically said the coaches called plays that have been successful in the past, so the players should execute the plays. Doesn't seem to matter what the opponents do as long as the Steelers players have executed before.

 

[AggieSteel]

Tomlin apologizing putting in real overtime today