Tomlin to Redskins Discussion Thread

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I'd say he has pretty much full control here already. If Tomlin wanted a guy in the draft and Colbert didn't, Tomlin is getting the guy he wants. He himself said he hand selected Bruce Davis, that was 2008 or 2009.

But it's not official that Tomlin has control, so publicly Tomlin is never blamed for any draft or free agent mistakes. Tomlin apologists on this very site have told us repeatedly that the roster is not his responsibility so it's not his fault if there are holes.

If he signs a massive contract with full control then it's all on him publicly.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

. I wanted Tomlin gone after a couple years and I think he really lacks football IQ in many ways, but letting the clock run was the right choice

so youre saying he's a lot like cooch.

 

[Coryea]

But it's not official that Tomlin has control, so publicly Tomlin is never blamed for any draft or free agent mistakes. Tomlin apologists on this very site have told us repeatedly that the roster is not his responsibility so it's not his fault if there are holes.

If he signs a massive contract with full control then it's all on him publicly.

That is very true, as is the flip side of that, if they start playing really well, the praise is all given to him, a real ego boost.

 

[Drink IRON City]

But it's not official that Tomlin has control, so publicly Tomlin is never blamed for any draft or free agent mistakes. Tomlin apologists on this very site have told us repeatedly that the roster is not his responsibility so it's not his fault if there are holes.

If he signs a massive contract with full control then it's all on him publicly.

That is very true, as is the flip side of that, if they start playing really well, the praise is all given to him, a real ego boost.

I'm good with ANY cinerio, provided ADIOS is at the end.




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[Badcat]

I'm good with ANY cinerio, provided ADIOS is at the end.




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3:24PM, and the scenario that I see, is that you're on your third glass of a high spirit.

 

[Steelworth]

DIC is always in high spirits.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

That is very true, as is the flip side of that, if they start playing really well, the praise is all given to him, a real ego boost.

Giggle, snort, giggle.

 

[Drink IRON City]

3:24PM, and the scenario that I see, is that you're on your third glass of a high spirit.

In BIZZARO world,... there is no grammeristic linguist !!!!



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[Steelworth]

In BIZZARO world

 

[Drink IRON City]

Back to the Tomlin to REDSKINS land...........


Truthfully, it's hard to predict as ........

1) Would ART Deuce let him go. Art's shown in the past his expectations aren't as high as many's here is.

2) Would Snyder actually pony up? 2020-1st & 3rd / 2021- 2nd & 3rd, would be the range. (yes everyone wants 2-1st but I doubt that will happen)

3) The cash incentive as well, 1mil ?

4) Who to replace him......... I'd be inclined with a (to quote slash) an X-n-O type coach. I'd want said coach to defensive background and NOT from with-in the organization !!!

5) New hire NOT based on what BEN decides on years to play or preference of his but a solid good for the team coach.

6) Lastly, us fans have absolutely ZERO to input on all this but if I had the deciding VOTE, TOMLIN would be gone and possibly for less than stated. I'm a great negotiator but I would NOT negotiate myself out of a deal as TOMLIN would be gone UNLESS he can't be replace (LoL)




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[Confluence]

Free Tomlin!

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[BLITZ]

who would you guys want to replace Tomlin?

 

[steelhurt]

Back to the Tomlin to REDSKINS land...........


Truthfully, it's hard to predict as ........

1) Would ART Deuce let him go. Art's shown in the past his expectations aren't as high as many's here is.

2) Would Snyder actually pony up? 2020-1st & 3rd / 2021- 2nd & 3rd, would be the range. (yes everyone wants 2-1st but I doubt that will happen)

3) The cash incentive as well, 1mil ?

4) Who to replace him......... I'd be inclined with a (to quote slash) an X-n-O type coach. I'd want said coach to defensive background and NOT from with-in the organization !!!

5) New hire NOT based on what BEN decides on years to play or preference of his but a solid good for the team coach.

6) Lastly, us fans have absolutely ZERO to input on all this but if I had the deciding VOTE, TOMLIN would be gone and possibly for less than stated. I'm a great negotiator but I would NOT negotiate myself out of a deal as TOMLIN would be gone UNLESS he can't be replace (LoL)




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Drink, here’s where I stand with this Tomlin saga.

A) I want him gone and have said in the past and stand by this, we will never get to another SB with this guy, period.

B) Tomlin can be replaced easily. And no not by a retread like McCarthy or any of the other recycled coaches. I want a young proved coordinator that can hire a quality staff. A HC that can plan, prepare, adjust, motivate,lead,discipline and treat all players the same ala Billy Boy in NE.

C) I would like to see both coordinators and all assistants gone, exceptions would be Jerry O who I think does a pretty good job.

D) I like Ben and glad we have him but he should have zero input on Tomlin being moved and his buddy Fichtner being removed. He’s the QB, and a damn good one but stfu Ben and do your job and that’s play your position. If Ben threatens to retire, Art needs to ask him if he’d like the weather in Fla.Im sure his buddy Bruce would ante up to get him

E) My last one is a pipe dream but hay, I’m allowed to dream. Art offers Cowher and he accepts a long term deal as VP of Football Operations/GM that dwarfs his measly 4 million per year he currently makes. Bill searches for, interviews and hires the HC, and the two hire the best coordinators and assistants possible. I know, I’m dreaming with this one but you never know.




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[Steelworth]

I can't remember his name, but I remember a lot of guys talking on here about a college coach who's really innovative on offense (I'm sure there's a few). Grab him, make sure he hires the best defensive coordinator he can possibly find (preferably NFL experience) and go from there.

I know it's simplistic, but get somebody fresh, hungry, and get back to the basics.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Steelhurt, you nailed a lot of it. Fresh start on coaching, including bubble cheeks (he has improved but his past proves). Bill Cowher has been my pipe dream as well. I don't know if he would come out of retirement but worth a shot. Before the money is even talked about Bill C. Would have to make a commitment to be all in and not just in for the money, can you hear me?

As for who, that's the 50million dollar question. There are people, including guys here, who could give way better choices than I. I'd look at D coordinators first, then flow from there. I wouldn't be bashful or secretive on interviews as several would happen. A "smooth talker" would be weeded out as a take charge diciplined individual would be my target. Definately a younger, millinial compatable but not entitled individual would be a forward candidate.

My memory fuzzy but possible the 49ers "D" coordinator, the Saints "D" coordinator to name a couple. I would not pull a college offensive coordinator up as a head coach (I don't want a regurgitated NFL coach), but young college offense doesn't cut NFL expectations. I'll have to investigate more on choices.

I know Tomlin has a lot of winning associated with his presence but he has also had a HOF QB and a way above average talented team through out his entire career. My point of replacement is he has done the absolutely least with the arguable top 5 most talented cumulation of teams he has coached (steelers). Need more than what he can give us amongst other reasons,


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[Steelin]

I can't remember his name, but I remember a lot of guys talking on here about a college coach who's really innovative on offense (I'm sure there's a few). Grab him, make sure he hires the best defensive coordinator he can possibly find (preferably NFL experience) and go from there.

I know it's simplistic, but get somebody fresh, hungry, and get back to the basics.

Lincoln Riley I think his name is. Oklahoma head coach.

 

[you complete me]

who would you guys want to replace Tomlin?

1 Bill Cowher ( laugh all you want but he built the team that gave us and Tomlin all the Super Bowl success
2 mike munchak restore professionalism
3 Jim harbaugh
4 mike McCarthy
5 kris Richard

 

[Steelworth]

Lincoln Riley I think his name is. Oklahoma head coach.

That's the man. Good memory (yeah, don't rub it in).

 

[Omar10213245]

who would you guys want to replace Tomlin?

-Kris Richard

-Robert Saleh

-Lincoln Riley

-chidi iwuoma

 

[BLITZ]

-Kris Richard

-Robert Saleh

-Lincoln Riley

-chidi iwuoma

with this list, I stick with Tomlin unless Washington offers 2 1st rd picks

 

[slashsteel]

with this list, I stick with Tomlin unless Washington offers 2 1st rd picks

What I would do is look at the top 5 defenses and offenses. I would eliminate former HC's. I would eliminate a coordinator who is heavily deficient against /with the run or pass. I would see how long they excelled. How many seasons. I would see which ones were trending up. I would look at which ones could adjust after halftime. And the best of the best would get hired.

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[Drink IRON City]

What I would do is look at the top 5 defenses and offenses. I would eliminate former HC's. I would eliminate a coordinator who is heavily deficient against /with the run or pass. I would see how long they excelled. How many seasons. I would see which ones were trending up. I would look at which ones could adjust after halftime. And the best of the best would get hired.

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And make sure in his past interviews he never used the words "obviously / popcorn / lab"





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[steelhurt]

What I would do is look at the top 5 defenses and offenses. I would eliminate former HC's. I would eliminate a coordinator who is heavily deficient against /with the run or pass. I would see how long they excelled. How many seasons. I would see which ones were trending up. I would look at which ones could adjust after halftime. And the best of the best would get hired.

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Yes to this Slash. Break it down by who has had the top defenses and offenses and not just for one season. And no retreads either like a Mike McCarthy. I keep seeing guys list Mike but why? Please not because he's a native son which should have absolutely nothing to do with the search for a HC. There are guys out there who could do well when they are given the opportunity.
It is past time we look beyond the "standard is the standard" to quote Tomlin and start fresh since the standard just ain't good enough unless you're ok with mediocrity or less which I/m for certain no one here is.

 

[deljzc]

What I would do is look at the top 5 defenses and offenses. I would eliminate former HC's. I would eliminate a coordinator who is heavily deficient against /with the run or pass. I would see how long they excelled. How many seasons. I would see which ones were trending up. I would look at which ones could adjust after halftime. And the best of the best would get hired.

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Okay... here we go.

Top offenses according to Football Outsiders: KC, DAL, SEA, BAL, MIN, PHI, GB, NE

Top defenses according to Football Outsiders: NE, SF, BUF, CAR, CHI, MIN, GB, DEN

Offensive Coordinators: Eric Bieniemy, Kellen Moore, Brian Schottenheimer, Greg Roman, Kevin Stefanski, Mike Groh, Josh McDaniel

Defensive Coordinators: NONE, Robert Saleh, Leslie Frazier, Eric Washington, Chuck Pagano, George Edwards, Mike Pettine, Ed Donatell


Eliminate Old Head Coaches: Leslie Frazier, Josh McDaniel, Chuck Pagano, Mike Pettine

Eric Bieniemy, Minority Candidate, Ex-NFL RB, RB Coach (2006-2017), KC OC (2018-2019), Age 50
Kellen Moore, Ex-NFL QB, DAL OC (2018-2019) Age 31
Brian Schottenheimer, QB Coach (2001-2005, 2016-2017), OC (2006-2014, 2018-2019) Age 45
Greg Roman, OC (2011-2016), Assistant HC and TE Coach (2017-2018), OC (2019), Age 47
Kevin Stefanski, TE Coach (2014-2015), RB Coach (2016), QB Coach (2017-2018), OC (2019), Age 37
Mike Groh, WR Coach (2013-2017), OC (2018-2019), Age 47

Robert Saleh, Minority Candidate, LB Coach (2014-2016), DC (2017-2019), Age 40
Eric Washington, Minority Candidate, DL Coach (2010-2017), DC (2018-2019), Age 49
George Edwards, Minority Candidate, LB Coach (1998-2002, 2004-2009, 2012-2013), DC (2003, 2010-2011, 2014-2019), Age 52
Ed Donatell, DB Coach (1990-1999, 2007-2018), DC (2000-2006, 2019), Age 62

I'm not sure that list is all that great.

I might eliminate Kellen Moore (too young) and Ed Donatell (too old). I don't want George Edwards either (just been around too long, fired too many times, too many losing teams).

Now, for all those Cowher fans that want him involved with the organization again, would a combination of Cowher as VP of Operations and Brian Schottenheimer as HC work? Are Cowher and the Schottenheimers still friends? On good terms? Work together? It certainly would be a 180 degree change from Tomlin.

My favorite might be Kevin Stefanski. His background is very interesting. His dad was an NBA player and executive (I like that). He has an Ivy League education (Penn). Pennsylvania kid from Philadelphia. Good age (37). Coached a wide variety of positions (TE, RB and QB) and understands the nuances of each of those position in NFL system. Based on what he is doing in Minnesota is not pass-happy or thinks his scheme is above the players. He is fitting what he tries to do with the talent he has. Could be a very good match with Mason Rudolph as there are similarities in Rudolph's game and Kirk Cousins.

I think I could dig into more candidates outside the criteria asked of me, but Stefanski is high on my list and if I was an owner is definitely someone I would interview. His history with a dad in the sports executive world is very appealing to me. Means to me he could be a big thinker and not be so focused on the trees. I want a head coach that can understand the forest.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Okay... here we go.

Now, for all those Cowher fans that want him involved with the organization again, would a combination of Cowher as VP of Operations and Brian Schottenheimer as HC work? Are Cowher and the Schottenheimers still friends? On good terms? Work together? It certainly would be a 180 degree change from Tomlin.

I think if the history is good, this would be outstanding. Cowher would have to not pass his era of playing but have motivation of adopting to today's NFL. That's where Brian would come in. Enough difference to make a complimentary positive between the two



I think I could dig into more candidates outside the criteria asked of me, but Stefanski is high on my list and if I was an owner is definitely someone I would interview. His history with a dad in the sports executive world is very appealing to me. Means to me he could be a big thinker and not be so focused on the trees. I want a head coach that can understand the forest

I really like the dad / son fact of executive exposure. It definitely adds to the resume of being aware of the other sides than just coaching. .

GREAT write up deljzc, thanks.



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