Trump - Make America Great Again!

[Ron Burgundy]

Trump reveals how he would force Mexico to pay for border wall

Donald Trump says he will force Mexico to pay for a border wall as president by threatening to cut off the flow of billions of dollars in payments that immigrants send home to the country, an idea that could decimate the Mexican economy and set up an unprecedented showdown between the United States and a key diplomatic ally.

The proposal would jeopardize a stream of cash that many economists say is vital for Mexico’s struggling economy. But the feasibility of Trump’s plan is unclear both legally and politically, and also would test the bounds of a president’s executive powers in seeking to pressure another country.

In the memo, Trump said he would threaten to change a rule under the USA Patriot Act antiterrorism law to cut off a portion of the funds sent to Mexico through money transfers, commonly known as remittances.

The threat would be withdrawn if Mexico made “a one-time payment of $5-10 billion” to pay for the border wall, he wrote.

“It’s an easy decision for Mexico,” Trump said in the memo, which was written on campaign stationery emblazoned with “TRUMP Make America Great Again.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...196314-fa7c-11e5-80e4-c381214de1a3_story.html

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I told him that

If Mexico's economy collapses because their legal and illegal citizens here can't send money home then that's their problem for having such a ****** up country.

 

[madinsomniac]

Spike, you, Indy and others should follow suit. There's always room on the Berniewagon, though I'm not sure we can handle all the 'roid rage.

Donald Trump Is Beginning His Exit Strategy
http://samuel-warde.com/2016/04/donald-trumps-exit-strategy-exposed/

Donald Trump is trying get out of being president without embarrassing himself or his brand.

Donald Trump does not want to be president. In fact, he never wanted to be president. His entire campaign has been a long con and a ruse to strengthen his brand and feed his ego.

Last week, Stephanie Cegielski, a strategist for the Make America Great Again super PAC published an open letter to Trump supporters on the website xoJane in which she details the original intent of Trump’s presidential bid:

Almost a year ago, recruited for my public relations and public policy expertise, I sat in Trump Tower being told that the goal was to get The Donald to poll in double digits and come in second in delegate count. That was it. The Trump camp would have been satisfied to see him polling at 12% and taking second place to a candidate who might hold 50%. His candidacy was a protest candidacy.

Cegielski then goes on to describe the events and circumstances that unfolded, surprising everyone:

But something surprising and absolutely unexpected happened. Every other candidate misestimated the anger and outrage of the “silent majority” of Americans who are not a part of the liberal elite. So with each statement came a jump in the polls. Just when I thought we were finished, The Donald gained more popularity.

Somewhere in the middle of the letter she gets to the brass tacks:

You can give Trump the biggest gift possible if you are a Trump supporter: stop supporting him.

He doesn’t want the White House. He just wants to be able to say that he could have run the White House. He’s achieved that already and then some. If there is any question, take it from someone who was recruited to help the candidate succeed, and initially very much wanted him to do so.

So let’s assume that all of that is true. Donald Trump can’t just quit. After all, he’s Donald Trump. The next logical step would be to take a fall — possibly losing the nomination by a small margin. But again, if you’re Donald Trump you don’t lose. If you’re Donald Trump and want to get out while still maintaining your brand and your dignity, you play the long game and come out looking like a victim. In a sense, you spin it so that your supporters think you’re so accurate in your assessment of the world that it frightens the establishment into shutting you down – you’re that powerful.

Over the course of the last week, Trump has made headlines and drawn attention by doing and saying things that are completely contrary to what anyone would consider sane.

Trump’s conversation with Chris Matthews on MSNBC about abortion was just the beginning. During the interview he told Matthews that women who seek abortion should be punished — a stance even the hardliners in the GOP think is preposterous. Not to mention, women are the largest demographic in this country. There is no path to nomination without their support. Why would anyone alienate them?

Speaking of women, Trump completely fumbled the issue of his campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, who was criminally charged for an altercation with a reporter. Rather than remain impartial or simply fire the staffer, Trump instead impugned the character of the reporter who was manhandled by Lewandowski.

Later that week while speaking at an event in Wisconsin, Trump told the audience that the Geneva Conventions hinder our efforts. The Geneva Conventions are made up of four treaties, most of which cover the humane treatment of enemy combatants and civilians.

“The problem,” Trump said, “is we have the Geneva Conventions, all sorts of rules and regulations, so the soldiers are afraid to fight. We can’t waterboard, but they can chop off heads. I think we’ve got to make some changes.” Trump also suggested that South Korea and Japan be allowed access to nuclear weapons. A suggestion that deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes said would be “catastrophic.”

“The entire premise of American foreign policy as it relates to nuclear weapons for the past 70 years has been focused on preventing the proliferation of nuclear weapons to additional states,” Rhodes said.

Trump also said he would not be opposed to using nuclear weapons in the Middle East or in Europe, during the above-mentioned interview with Chris Matthews.

Adding whipped cream to this well-crafted sundae of incompetence and ignorance, Trump called in to a conservative Wisconsin radio show and blasted Gov. Scott Walker.

But you had a $2.2 billion budget deficit and the schools were going begging and everything was going begging because he [Walker] didn’t want to raise taxes because he was going to run for president. So instead of raising taxes he cut back on schools, he cut back on highways, cut back on a lot of things. And that’s why…Wisconsin has a problem.

The host of the show, Charlie Sykes, is probably one of the most influential voices in Wisconsin’s talk radio arena. Sykes is also so strongly opposed to Trump that he’s vowed never to support him in any election. This is clearly something Trump had to have known going into the interview. It’s hard to believe he didn’t.

The cherry on the aforementioned sundae? Wisconsin is home of 42 delegates. All of which are up for grabs and could potentially put Trump closer to the nomination. Rather than appear himself, he sent Sarah Palin. One more time: He sent Sarah Palin. The Huffington Post reported:

Palin’s speech at a Republican gathering in Milwaukee fell flat and earned little applause from about 750 attendees, according to the Journal Times. The Washington Post’s Philip Rucker reported that Palin got some laughs when she said, “Trump talks rationally.”

And in that same speech–the one in which she claims that Trump talks rationally–she said this about Trump’s opponents:

What the heck are you thinking, candidates? What the heck are you thinking when you’re actually asking for more immigrants — even illegal immigrants, welcoming them in. Even inducing and seducing them with gift baskets: “Come on over the border and here’s a gift basket of teddy bears and soccer balls.”

Trump is no dummy and is not known for making stupid mistakes. Yes, he’s brash, uncouth, and maybe even ignorant on many issues, but he is not stupid.

Trump started the layout’s role of victim on Fox News last week. On Friday during a phone interview, Donald Trump, when asked about his comments on MSNBC, said, “You really ought to hear the whole thing. I mean, this is a long convoluted question. This was a long discussion, and they just cut it out. And, frankly, it was extremely — it was really convoluted.”

MSNBC quickly responded with a statement, saying, “The town hall interview with Donald Trump was taped in advance and then aired in its entirety. Absolutely no part of the exchange between Trump and Chris Matthews was edited out.”

Even Chris Wallace, during a “Fox News Sunday” interview, asked Trump, “Are you in the process of blowing your campaign for president?”

Trump is completely unqualified for the job of president. His disapproval ratings are above 60 percent in national polling, and three-quarters of women in the country can’t stand him. As for his foreign and domestic policy, the Economist’s Intelligence Unit puts Trump in the top ten list of global risks. He’s right up there with “The rising threat of jihadi terrorism destabilizes the global economy”

Republican strategist Cheri Jacobus, who had met with Trump about becoming their communications director, confirms most of this, telling the National Review:

I believe Trump senses he is in over his head and doesn’t really want the nomination. He wanted to help his brand and have fun, but not to be savaged by the Clintons if he’s the candidate. He wouldn’t mind falling short of a delegate majority, losing the nomination, and then playing angry celebrity victim in the coming years.

What began as a con will end as a con. Trump will continue to make bombastic, ludicrous and inane comments, proving to the media–who are all too eager to give him all the attention he wants–that he is wholly unqualified for the job. Other republicans will chastise him for the things that he says, proving to his followers that he is being targeted by an establishment that is afraid of him. Trump will walk away unscathed, his brand strengthened and his dignity intact. He will be the guy who nearly became president, but was too much for people to take. In many ways and on many levels nothing could be more accurate.

While I dont Doubt the Donald having second thoughts, this lady's story is full of holes when fact checked... She did work for the PAC, but it was one that Trump sued to have closed and it may have been an establishment sham PAC, moreover a PAC cant legally have contact with a campaign so she has tried to say all of this happened before she joined up the PAC... so in other words Trump illegally recruited her to a PAC that he then sued to close... she also is a Kasich backer by her twitter posts over time... Her story is fantastic, but its a bit too suspicious . If trump wanted out he'd just ***** that he was being treated unfairly, take his ball and go home....

 

[Vindrow]

but to be fair to our liberal Muslim loving friends, I'll give them a little something too


I bring you, The Burkini

yes - it's real

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...range-modest-sportswear-removable-hijabs.html

OMG...I can see her ankle!! It is getting hard...to....c o n t r o l....myself!!!

 

[hamster]

OMG...I can see her ankle!! It is getting hard...to....c o n t r o l....myself!!!

It is a picture of insanity.

 

[Spike]

maybe there's a chance, but it's an open primary and I think he will lose to Dem plants voting for Cruz or Kasich

jus like I perdicted

when I saw nothing but huge lines of college kids voting I knew it was over before it started, Bernie's state and Cruz crossover voters

oh well, on to NY, where things get real

 

[Tibs]

Sorry for your loss Trumpsters. Looks like this thing is really starting to peter out...where did all the momemtum go?

 

[SteelChip]

Sorry for your loss Trumpsters. Looks like this thing is really starting to peter out...where did all the momemtum go?

 

[IndySteel]

The dumbfucks in Wisconsin have their brains addled by beer, sausage and cheese curds. Trump will win New York and Cali. Cruz will crash and hang his head in shame over hookergate. It's about to get real fun.

 

[Max Power]

The dumbfucks in Wisconsin have their brains addled by beer, sausage and cheese curds. Trump will win New York and Cali. Cruz will crash and hang his head in shame over hookergate. It's about to get real fun.

This is a fact, Wisconsin is all sorts of screwed up. I lived there for 11 years. It is also why I can not stand Packer Fans, they are one in the same.

 

[IndySteel]

Donald J. Trump
1 hr ·
CAMPAIGN STATEMENT:
Donald J. Trump withstood the onslaught of the establishment yet again. Lyin' Ted Cruz had the Governor of Wisconsin, many conservative talk radio show hosts, and the entire party apparatus behind him. Not only was he propelled by the anti-Trump Super PAC's spending countless millions of dollars on false advertising against Mr. Trump, but he was coordinating `with his own Super PAC's (which is illegal) who totally control him. Ted Cruz is worse than a puppet--- he is a Trojan horse, being used by the party bosses attempting to steal the nomination from Mr. Trump.
We have total confidence that Mr. Trump will go on to win in New York, where he holds a substantial lead in all the polls, and beyond. Mr. Trump is the only candidate who can secure the delegates needed to win the Republican nomination and ultimately defeat Hillary Clinton, or whomever is the Democratic nominee, in order to Make America Great Again.

**** Cruz, he's a weasel.

 

[Rod Farva]

page 3, post # 54

http://steelernation.com/showthread...Trump-and-the-new-generation-of-*******/page3


but you knew that....trying to goad me into another 'Stop stealing my stuff' rant?

a Karma penance will be acceptable reparation

You'll get nothing and like it!

but to be fair to our liberal Muslim loving friends, I'll give them a little something too


I bring you, The Burkini

yes - it's real

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...range-modest-sportswear-removable-hijabs.html

In this case, perhaps a good thing.

Trump reveals how he would force Mexico to pay for border wall

Donald Trump says he will force Mexico to pay for a border wall as president by threatening to cut off the flow of billions of dollars in payments that immigrants send home to the country, an idea that could decimate the Mexican economy and set up an unprecedented showdown between the United States and a key diplomatic ally.

The proposal would jeopardize a stream of cash that many economists say is vital for Mexico’s struggling economy. But the feasibility of Trump’s plan is unclear both legally and politically, and also would test the bounds of a president’s executive powers in seeking to pressure another country.

In the memo, Trump said he would threaten to change a rule under the USA Patriot Act antiterrorism law to cut off a portion of the funds sent to Mexico through money transfers, commonly known as remittances.

The threat would be withdrawn if Mexico made “a one-time payment of $5-10 billion” to pay for the border wall, he wrote.

“It’s an easy decision for Mexico,” Trump said in the memo, which was written on campaign stationery emblazoned with “TRUMP Make America Great Again.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...196314-fa7c-11e5-80e4-c381214de1a3_story.html

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I told him that

It's been done before. But they wouldn't have to completely stop them.....just tax them at say, oh.....I dunno, 85%?

If Mexico's economy collapses because their legal and illegal citizens here can't send money home then that's their problem for having such a ****** up country.

I've often marveled at how ****** up that country is given their natural resources.

 

[IndySteel]

I'm going to Monterrey, Mexico the week after next. I'll probably leave my Make America Great Again hat at home.

 

[Spike]

..where did all the momemtum go?

written days before election

Donald Trump’s Struggle in Wisconsin Is About Demographics, Not Momentum

His problem in Wisconsin is mainly about the state’s demographics, not self-inflicted wounds. Even a 10-percentage-point loss there wouldn’t necessarily indicate any shift against him. The state has always looked as if it would be one of Mr. Trump’s worst.

The results of other primaries have consistently pointed toward Mr. Trump’s weakness in Wisconsin. We’ve frequently published articles using models to predict the results of contests based on demographics, and both models — one after the Super Tuesday primaries and one after the March 15 primaries — projected Wisconsin to be one of Mr. Trump’s worst remaining states.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/05/upshot/donald-trump-wisconsin-polls.html?_r=0

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I didn't expect a win - cheesehead snowflake college town state, blech. Trump actually won more counties than Cruz and he still picked up some delegates.

On to the Big Apple state

Trump +32

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ork_republican_presidential_primary-4222.html

 

[deljzc]

I love how the media portrays these week-to-week primary results as "momentum". It's asinine.

Wisconsin has 42 delegates, which is 1.84% of all the available delegates in the republican convention.

The next "group" of elections between now and the end of April is 213 delegates in the following states Cruz has NO SHOT of getting even 25% of the vote:

New York, Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island

Trump is going to crush the northeast and every political pundit knows it. Yet they want to somehow want to make "Wisconsin" a turning point. The whole rhetoric will change after Trump pulls 60% of the vote in New York. The "experts" are predicting Trump will win 162 of the 213 delegates during this stretch.

The whole Republican contest isn't about Trump vs. Cruz. It's Trump vs. 1237. Cruz has no shot, Kasich has no shot. They are both in it for the benefit of the establishment to try and leak as many delegates as the can (Cruz gets the religious wackos, Kasich the moderates).

Will it work? Not sure. Trump hasn't hit his ideal projections the last couple of states and the last 3 weeks has put him "below" the graph line to get to 1237.

The crazy thing is I don't think the Republican establishment plan on putting up Cruz OR Kasich in a brokered convention. I think they are staying in it for other back-door reasons and promises.

 

[Spike]

I love how the media portrays these week-to-week primary results as "momentum". It's asinine.

Wisconsin has 42 delegates, which is 1.84% of all the available delegates in the republican convention.

The next "group" of elections between now and the end of April is 213 delegates in the following states Cruz has NO SHOT of getting even 25% of the vote:

New York, Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island

Trump is going to crush the northeast and every political pundit knows it. Yet they want to somehow want to make "Wisconsin" a turning point. The whole rhetoric will change after Trump pulls 60% of the vote in New York. The "experts" are predicting Trump will win 162 of the 213 delegates during this stretch.

The whole Republican contest isn't about Trump vs. Cruz. It's Trump vs. 1237. Cruz has no shot, Kasich has no shot. They are both in it for the benefit of the establishment to try and leak as many delegates as the can (Cruz gets the religious wackos, Kasich the moderates).

Will it work? Not sure. Trump hasn't hit his ideal projections the last couple of states and the last 3 weeks has put him "below" the graph line to get to 1237.

The crazy thing is I don't think the Republican establishment plan on putting up Cruz OR Kasich in a brokered convention. I think they are staying in it for other back-door reasons and promises.

Everything you say makes complete sense.

The 'Big East' Super Tuesday will tell us all we need to know, but that's not till a week after NY, which is 2 weeks away.

So, we'll know in 3 weeks where we're headed.

Then in May there's another bunch of states spread out over the month....long long long long long long long long long way to go

 

[IndySteel]

When Indiana votes in May it might actually mean something this time.

 

[madinsomniac]

Once more pa doesnt matter... C

 

[Spike]

Once more pa doesnt matter... C

of course it does, like I said...wait 3 weeks for a clearer picture



The 'Big East' Super Tuesday will tell us all we need to know, but that's not till a week after NY, which is 2 weeks away.

So, we'll know in 3 weeks where we're headed.

Then in May there's another bunch of states spread out over the month....long long long long long long long long long way to go

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/election_dates/

 

[IndySteel]

Donald J. Trump

I want to win for the people of this great country. The only people I will owe are the voters. The media, special interests, and lobbyists are all trying to stop me. We won't let that happen! ‪#‎MakeAmericaGreatAgain‬ ‪#‎Trump2016‬

..................

 

[madinsomniac]

Again, PA doesnt tie delegates to votes... if 100% of the state voted Trump he would get a grand total of 14 (i think) locked in votes, and it didnt even used to be that... all the rest of the delegates are permitted to vote their conscience... so the Vote in Pa really doesnt matter... its set up to secure the establishment crony in a worse case scenerio

 

[Spike]

Again, PA doesnt tie delegates to votes... if 100% of the state voted Trump he would get a grand total of 14 (i think) locked in votes, and it didnt even used to be that... all the rest of the delegates are permitted to vote their conscience... so the Vote in Pa really doesnt matter... its set up to secure the establishment crony in a worse case scenerio

oh that - I thought that only mattered if it went to open convention, but i' don't know PA rules

 

[TDX27]

I watched part of his rally yesterday in Bethpage, NY. It was crazy! They love him in NY. Thousands of people chanting USA, Trump, Lyin' Ted, build that wall, etc. He needs to keep doing rally's in NY and he very well may get 50% plus of the vote across the state and almost sweep the delegates. He will need to in order to have a chance to get to 1237.

 

[IndySteel]

I think New York is winner take all.

 

[IndySteel]

Ha ha! **** got real for Cruz in New York.



http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/06/tomorrows-york-daily-news-cover-train-ted.html

 

[IndySteel]

Coulter nailed it...

MOONIES FOR CRUZ
April 6, 2016


Congratulations to Ted Cruz for winning his fourth primary! Usually Donald Trump wins the primaries -- where you go and vote, like in a real election. Cruz wins the caucuses -- run by the state parties, favored by political operators and cheaters.


Until now, the only primaries Cruz has won are in Texas (his home state), Oklahoma (basically the same state) and Idaho (where Trump never campaigned).


So now, Cruz has finally won an honest-to-goodness primary. This is great news for him, provided: (1) the general election is a caucus, and (2) the national media universally denounce Cruz's Democratic opponent the same way the Wisconsin media denounced Trump.


In that case, Cruz should do fine.


The Cruz-bots don't care. They don't care that they're being used as a cat's-paw by the Never Trump crowd, and that a brokered Republican convention is more likely to end with Bernie as the nominee than Cruz.


The Cruz cultists don't even care about plain honesty, which I always thought was a conservative value. Republicans used to be appalled by guttersnipe, lying political operators like the Clintons. Now they are guttersnipe, lying political operators like the Clintons.


It's all hands on deck to stop the only presidential candidate who wants to save America from the cheap labor plutocrats.


Cruz has flipped to Trump's side on every important political issue of this campaign -- which only ARE issues because of Trump. These are:


-- Quadrupling the number of foreign guest workers to help ranchers and farmers get cheap labor: Cruz was for it, and now is against it.


-- Legalizing illegal aliens: Cruz was for it, and now is against it.



-- The Trans-Pacific Partnership deal: Cruz was for it, and now is against it.


-- Building a wall: Cruz was against it, and now is for it.


These are all positions Cruz has changed since being a senator -- most of them he's flipped on only in the last year. I'm supposed to believe that U.S. senators can sincerely change their minds about policies it was their job to know about, but a New York developer can never change his mind about pop-offs he made more than a decade ago.


Back in 1999 -- 17 years ago -- when Donald Trump was considering a presidential run on the Reform Party ticket, he said this when asked about abortion by Tim Russert on "Meet the Press": "Well, look, I'm very pro-choice. I hate the concept of abortion. I hate it. I hate everything it stands for. I cringe when I listen to people debating the subject. But you still -- I just believe in choice."


Russert then asked him specifically if he'd ban partial-birth abortion. Trump said, "No. I am pro-choice in every respect and as far as it goes, but I just hate it."


A year later, Trump wrote in his book "The America We Deserve": "When Tim Russert asked me on 'Meet the Press' if I would ban partial-birth abortion, my pro-choice instincts led me to say no. After the show, I consulted two doctors I respect and, upon learning more about this procedure, I have concluded that I would indeed support a ban."


Sometime in the intervening 16 years, Trump became fully pro-life.


You can say you don't believe him -- just as you might say you don't believe Cruz has truly changed his mind on amnesty, the wall, or the Trans-Pacific Partnership, etc. But to claim Trump is pro-choice today -- present tense -- is what's known as a "lie."


But that's what Cruz says over and over again, including in a campaign ad -- and not one of those "super PAC" ads that count even less than a retweet. A Cruz ad plays the clip from that 1999 interview where Trump says, "I am pro-choice in every respect," repeats it three times, and then cuts to a narrator proclaiming: "For partial-birth abortion, not a conservative."


These are the kinds of lies that used to drive conservatives crazy when the Clintons did it. Not anymore. All's fair in smearing Trump.


Trump has said a million times that he'd scrap Obamacare and replace it with a free market system (which, by the way, he explains a lot more clearly than Washington policy wonks with their think-tank lingo). Merely for Trump saying that we're "not going to let people die, sitting in the middle of a street in any city in this country," Cruz accuses him of supporting "Bernie Sanders-style medicine."


Yes, because Trump is against people dying in the streets, Cruz says that Trump thinks "Obamacare didn't go far enough and we need to expand it to put the government in charge of our health care, in charge of our relationship with our doctors." Over and over again, Cruz has repeated this insane lie, telling Fox's Megyn Kelly: "If you want to see Bernie Sanders-style socialized medicine, Donald Trump is your guy."


Trump's alleged support for the kind of national health care they have in Scotland and Canada is another big fat lie. Trump was issuing his usual effusive praise before he drops the hammer -- "It actually works incredibly well in Scotland. Some people think it really works in Canada." Then he continued, in the very same sentence: "I don't think it would work as well here. What has to happen -- I like the concept of private enterprise coming in. ... You have to create competition."


Cruz and his cult-like followers lie about Trump wanting a health care system akin to Canada's and Scotland's. They lie about his supporting Obamacare. They lie about his supporting partial-birth abortion. They lie about his ever having been a Democrat. They lie about his campaign manager assaulting a female reporter.


I tried being nice after Florida, when it became clear that Trump was the choice of a majority of Republican voters, nearly choking on a column praising Cruz for his admirable flip-flops to Trump's positions on immigration and trade. I censored loads of anti-Cruz retweets. But -- as with the Clintons -- you offer these Cruz-bots an olive branch and they bite off your hand.


The next thing I knew, the Cruz cult was accusing Trump's campaign manager Corey Lewandowski of criminal battery for brushing past a female reporter. Anyone who claims this video shows a "battery" is as big a liar as the liberals who lined up to say Clinton did not commit perjury when he denied having "sexual relations" with Monica Lewinsky.


If James Carville and Paul Begala had a baby, it would be a Cruz supporter.

They lie about my own tweaking of Trump -- I didn't like the Heidi retweet! -- amid a tidal wave of support. Trump is the only presidential candidate in my lifetime who will build a wall, deport illegals and pause the importation of Muslims. He's the only one who cares more about ordinary Americans than he does about globalist plutocrats. Does anyone really think I'm "tiring" of him because of a retweet?


Apparently, for slavishly devoted Cruz-bots, a normal human making a small criticism of her preferred candidate is unfathomable! That fact alone proves how dishonest they are about their own candidate.


I was under the misimpression that I was dealing with adults and not swine like Carville and Begala, willing to twist someone's words to win a momentary political advantage. Mostly, I was under the misimpression that honesty was still a conservative value.


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