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[Tibs]

madinsomniac, you couldn't be more wrong. For what you write to have even an ounce of merit, Sanders would have to be against all forms of private ownership, hence the socialist/communist model. He should be calling for nationalizing private equity, private property, the stock exchange, banks, et al. Since he's clearly not doing any of this, your argument that Bernie is a 'socialist' is nothing more than pure fantasy. But it fits in perfectly on this board, notorious for similarly incorrect assumptions and assessments.

 

[madinsomniac]

madinsomniac, you couldn't be more wrong. For what you write to have even an ounce of merit, Sanders would have to be against all forms of private ownership, hence the socialist/communist model. He should be calling for nationalizing private equity, private property, the stock exchange, banks, et al. Since he's clearly not doing any of this, your argument that Bernie is a 'socialist' is nothing more than pure fantasy. But it fits in perfectly on this board, notorious for similarly incorrect assumptions and assessments.

Im saying his longterm idealology is very communist and he self describes as a Democratic Socialist, correct?


"Democratic socialism is a political ideology advocating political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production, with democratic management of enterprises within a socialist economic system. The term "democratic socialism" is sometimes used synonymously with "socialism"; the adjective "democratic" is often added to distinguish it from the Marxist-Leninist brand of socialism, which is widely viewed as being non-democratic.[1]"


Im not saying he is advocating it right now, but that doesnt mean that isnt waht he has supported throughout the years... again no one standing up against capitalism is going to win the presidency, which is why he has tipteoed around his overall idealology, but its not hard to look up...

 

[Tibs]

Im not saying he is advocating it right now, but that doesnt mean that isnt waht he has supported throughout the years

That's ******* hilarious. I'm not saying Donald Trump wants to implant a can of refried beans into every citizen's skull around the nation, but that doesn't mean he won't, or that he hasn't thought about it.

 

[deljzc]

Socialism, Bernie Style:

http://prntly.com/2016/04/05/englan...ices-dies-after-waiting-9-months-for-surgery/

http://prntly.com/2016/03/30/denmarks-socialist-healthcare-nearly-killed-my-4-year-old-boy/

 

[Tibs]

Socialism, Bernie Style

At the beginning of the year, Greater Copenhagen brought in a new health rule. It decided that patients needing emergency care shouldn’t just turn up at hospital. Instead they should call a helpline number – 1813 – where trained staff would access the problem over the phone and decide whether or not the patient needed to go to accident and emergency. If they felt the person did they would book him/her an appointment at either the local hospital or the one with the shortest waiting time.

Sounds like a badly implemented 911 system in Copenhagen, a story from two years ago. I fail to see what the connection is to Bernie Sanders. Was he working the phonelines and instructed the kid to take the medicine that nearly killed him? Did Bernie himself design the flawed 911 system?

Yet another example of the anti-Bernie team reaching for straws trying to get a quick jab in. With no substance behind it, it makes you look desperate. Which I guess you are, seeing how badly Trump has been slipping of late.

And as always the larger, more significant point is ignored:

There’s no denying that once in the Danish hospital system it was impressive – clean, lots of attentive staff, state-of-the-art equipment.

 

[Spike]

Bernie is a fool - America isn't Europe


Garry Kasparov: Hey, Bernie, Don’t Lecture Me About Socialism. I Lived Through It.

I'm enjoying the irony of American Sanders supporters lecturing me, a former Soviet citizen, on the glories of Socialism and what it really means! Socialism sounds great in speech soundbites and on Facebook, but please keep it there. In practice, it corrodes not only the economy but the human spirit itself, and the ambition and achievement that made modern capitalism possible and brought billions of people out of poverty. Talking about Socialism is a huge luxury, a luxury that was paid for by the successes of capitalism. Income inequality is a huge problem, absolutely. But the idea that the solution is more government, more regulation, more debt, and less risk is dangerously absurd.


Why can’t America be more like happy Denmark, with its high taxes and giant public sector, or at least more like France? Even the more pro-free-market United Kingdom has national health care, after all. First off, comparing relatively small, homogeneous populations to the churning, ocean-spanning American giant is rarely useful.

And even the most socialist of the European countries only became wealthy enough to embrace redistribution after free-market success made them rich. Still, why cannot America follow this path if that is what the people want? What is the problem if American voters are willing to accept higher taxes in exchange for greater security in the embrace of the government?

The answer takes us back to all those inventions America has produced decade after decade. As long as Europe had America taking risks, investing ambitiously, attracting the world’s dreamers and entrepreneurs, and yes, being unequal, it could benefit from the results without making the same sacrifices. Add to that the incalculable windfall of not having to spend on national defense thanks to America’s massive investment in a global security umbrella.

America doesn’t have the same luxury of coasting on the ambition and sacrifice of another country.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...re-me-about-socialism-i-lived-through-it.html

 

[deljzc]

Might be clean but only 35% of cancer diagnosis survive in Denmark. It's over 70% in the USA.

It's relevant to Sanders because his platform is European Socialism. That is clearly stated. While I think deep down inside he would love true socialism and communist marxism, he has to "start the process", which is to try and make America as European as possible.

How would he accomplish this?

1. Increase the size of federal government. Increase tax revenue and increase spending. He has proposed both on almost unheard of levels (+30% for both).
2. Promise more federally funded programs: specifically medical care and college and emulate the methods based on small-scope "successes" in Europe with no logical analysis or proof it works on the size/scale of America.

This is what he is selling. So I think pulling the curtain back on the so-called "successes" of Europe that Sanders so flagrantly wants to copy is absolutely relevant in a debate about his merits as a President and promoter of policy in our country.

 

[madinsomniac]

That's ******* hilarious. I'm not saying Donald Trump wants to implant a can of refried beans into every citizen's skull around the nation, but that doesn't mean he won't, or that he hasn't thought about it.

Based off of Trumps track record, if you told me he lobbed a can of beans at someone Id probably believe it to be true... He is rash and impulsive, which is why he probably shouldn't be president.....

hey don't kill the messenger here... I'm just saying that's the textbook definition of Democratic Socialism... Had he said social democrat id put that definition up there, which is more what you are describing... and if comparing him to the definition of what he claims he is by his own words got you that riled up, it can only be because as a supporter of his you have to know if that gets tied to him he is done...Based on general breakdowns less than 30% of the country is left wing enough to vote for someone trying to abolish capitalism. Its probably a lot lower than that

 

[Spike]

Bernie is good for one thing - riots in the streets

Images of the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago will surely be in party leaders’ heads.


Hundreds of Thousands of Sander's Backers May Demonstrate At The Democratic Party Convention In July

http://www.nationofchange.org/news/...-bernies-surging-political-revolution-offing/

They're crazy if they think that we who support Bernie will even CONSIDER voting for HRC. The two have NOTHING in common whatsoever!


If you're going to Philadelphia - - better bring pepper spray!

 

[Steeltime]

Bernie is good for one thing - riots in the streets

Images of the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago will surely be in party leaders’ heads.


Hundreds of Thousands of Sander's Backers May Demonstrate At The Democratic Party Convention In July

http://www.nationofchange.org/news/...-bernies-surging-political-revolution-offing/

They're crazy if they think that we who support Bernie will even CONSIDER voting for HRC. The two have NOTHING in common whatsoever!

If you're going to Philadelphia - - better bring pepper spray!

Wear it like you own it, big girl!!

 

[Yinzerlyn]

could be, if you find x

I don't want to find him....I'm trying to rid myself of him.

 

[mightyguru]

Bernie is a smart dude. He'd be a great Prez. Hillary? Nah. Certainly not Cruz.

I'm leaning towards Drumpf....i need the laughs.

 

[IndySteel]

Bernie is a smart dude. He'd be a great Prez. s.

So much for your credibility.

 

[Tibs]

So much for your credibility.

 

[DBS1970]

madinsomniac, you couldn't be more wrong. For what you write to have even an ounce of merit, Sanders would have to be against all forms of private ownership, hence the socialist/communist model. He should be calling for nationalizing private equity, private property, the stock exchange, banks, et al. Since he's clearly not doing any of this, your argument that Bernie is a 'socialist' is nothing more than pure fantasy. But it fits in perfectly on this board, notorious for similarly incorrect assumptions and assessments.

Its called incrementalism and Crazy-B has advocated for all that in small doses. Aren't you a Hungarian anyway? If so why don't you stay the **** out of US politics and mind your own business.

 

[Tibs]

Its called incrementalism and Crazy-B has advocated for all that in small doses. Aren't you a Hungarian anyway? If so why don't you stay the **** out of US politics and mind your own business.

No, you **********. I'm an American expat who's currently living and working abroad. Why don't you stay the **** out of my personal life and mind your own business, *******.

 

[DBS1970]

No, you **********. I'm an American expat who's currently living and working abroad. Why don't you stay the **** out of my personal life and mind your own business, *******.

Okay then. Stay there, you love that Euro style socialism so live the rest of your life amongst it. Renounce your citizenship and stop ******* up things here in the US. Anti-Liberty big government statist hacks like you are shredding the fabric of this nation and pushing us towards another civil war. As much as I hate you government worshiping sheep I really don't want it to come down to having to shed blood in a shooting war. Eat a bowl of dicks shitbag.

 

[Tibs]

Okay then. Stay there, you love that Euro style socialism so live the rest of your life amongst it. Renounce your citizenship and stop ******* up things here in the US. Anti-Liberty big government statist hacks like you are shredding the fabric of this nation and pushing us towards another civil war. As much as I hate you government worshiping sheep I really don't want it to come down to having to shed blood in a shooting war. Eat a bowl of dicks shitbag.

Try to get some ointment for whatever is ailing you. It will help relieve the itching and burning sensation.

 

[Tibs]

Anti-Liberty big government statist hacks like you are shredding the fabric of this nation and pushing us towards another civil war.

No, it's you xenophobic, homophobic, racist, bigoted, right-wing scumbags that are 'shredding the fabric of this nation and pushing us towards another civil war.' You finally have a mouthpiece in Trump, who can spew hateful bile - which has been pent-up in your tiny brains all these years - with impunity.

Renounce your citizenship and stop ******* up things here in the US.

 

[DBS1970]

Yes it's bigoted to want everyone to work for a living. It's racist for me to want to keep what I earn and utilize it for my own benifit and the benifit of my family. It's homophobic for me to want the government to leave everyone alone to live their private lives as they see fit (that includes gays you simpleton). And protecting our borders and making sure that those who come here legally assimilate and take on the full responsibility citizenship is xenophobic. You are right about the hate. I hate socialism becaus it's evil. Socialism has killed about 80 million people and enslaved countless others in the last hundred years so I hate it with every fiber of my being. Stay in Eastern Europe, we don't need your worthless *** here. In fact we are better off without you.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

Okay then. Stay there, you love that Euro style socialism so live the rest of your life amongst it. Renounce your citizenship and stop ******* up things here in the US. Anti-Liberty big government statist hacks like you are shredding the fabric of this nation and pushing us towards another civil war. As much as I hate you government worshiping sheep I really don't want it to come down to having to shed blood in a shooting war. Eat a bowl of dicks shitbag.

It's eat a BAG of dicks, dumbass....

 

[DBS1970]

It's eat a BAG of dicks, dumbass....

No you fool woman it is not.

It's eat a bowl of dicks and suck a bag of dicks. Tibs probably does both.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

No you fool woman it is not.

It's eat a bowl of dicks and suck a bag of dicks. Tibs probably does both.

Pretty sure my FB comment to you yesterday was to eat a bag of dicks....and I got quite a few likes on it too!!!

 

[Tibs]

Stay in Eastern Europe, we don't need your worthless *** here. In fact we are better off without you.

Thanks for the career and life advice. Really means a lot coming from a swell, knowledgable guy like yourself. I'll continue creating jobs and business opportunities with my American business partners wherever the opportunity arises, be it here or elsewhere. I will also continue being an ambassador for the US wherever I find myself, representing core American values of decency, honesty and hard work. You can continue to wallow in your misery, just don't drown in your own bile. Come up for air from time to time.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

Thanks for the career and life advice. Really means a lot coming from a swell, knowledgable guy like yourself. I'll continue creating jobs and business opportunities with my American business partners wherever the opportunity arises, be it here or elsewhere. I will also continue being an ambassador to the US wherever I find myself, representing core American values of decency, honesty and hard work. You can continue to wallow in your misery, just don't drown in your own bile. Come up for air from time to time.

You will continue to be an ambassador to the US? WTF are you talking about?